[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Fri Apr 12 17:33:17 UTC 2013

BTW, Suzanne, I'm sorry for misspelling your name.
I should listen to characters more, when using Jaws.
Thanks, Joshua
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From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Suzanne Germano [sgermano at asu.edu]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:27 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

I feel "my blind ass" is not limited on how much I can earn, so yes I may
one day be able to afford this car. And if I had the freedom to get
anywhere then I am more likely to earn more money because I can actually
chose where I want to work. Salaries for Software engineers a good plus my
fiance's income. I try not to look at life with limitations.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs <
brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> Google is supportive of having blind drivers, they have come to events and
> shown blind folks the car. I've sat in quite a few, although I've never
> been in one while it has been driven. I'd think it will be exactly like
> being a passenger of a sighted driver, but without the crazy breakings
> every few minutes and the heart attacks the sighted drivers constantly face.
> Frankly, I would trust the Google Car way more than I would trust my mom
> as the driver. Computers are much more reliable than humans in my opinion.
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
> -----Original Message----- From: christopher nusbaum
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 6:03 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>
> As it stands, he's going to need a sighted driver in the car who can
> take the wheel when the need arises. But Google will have to fix this
> if they're hoping for a blind person to drive it independently.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>  Hi, Chris, Kirt and everyone else on this thread,
>>
>> You guys are right in saying that, one need not pass judgement without
>> fully experiencing this machine in Wonderland. it's true we don't have all
>> the information. And, I think it's right when you say the thing doesn't
>> murge onto the freeway. What happens to the driving blink if he dares to
>> usese se the interstate? usese the freeway? 4/12/2013, christopher nusbaum
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Kirt,
>>>
>>> I agree with you. Before we make any judgments on the Google car, we
>>> must remember that it is still in the planning stages and that  all
>>> Google cars that have been tested so far are no more than prototypes.
>>> This is evidenced by the need for the Google car to be taken over by
>>> human driver when it pulls off the highway, as the story which someone
>>> reposted here mentioned.
>>>
>>> Carly, we must also take into account that some blind people don't
>>> live in areas where public transportation is easily available, such as
>>> Boston or New York City. I, for instance, live in a semi rural town in
>>> Maryland, where our only options For public transportation are
>>> paratransit and a cab service. As you can imagine, neither of these
>>> options are preferable Because of the cost if not the reliability. For
>>> this reason, I would love the independence that the Google car might
>>> give me in this area.
>>>
>>> Just my thoughts,
>>>
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Patrick,
>>> >  If it's time they want, I'm willing to give it.  I hope you're
>>> > right; we'll have to wait and see.  I guess my only point was that
>>> > this thing isn't right around the corner; while it's realisticly
>>> > viable now, it's still probably a long ways off before we'll be able
>>> > to drive.  Where the google car is now is probably comparable to where
>>> > the internet was thirty or so years ago; people could see the
>>> > possibilities, it was realistic and people "in the know" were probably
>>> > aware it was coming...but it still had a long way to go before it was
>>> > viable to the general public.
>>> >  And, Patrick, you're probably right that airplane pilots don't have
>>> > to manually control the plane very much between takeoff and landing.
>>> > Still, I can almost guarantee you they are paying very close attention
>>> > in the event something goes wrong.
>>> >  Carley,
>>> >  I don't really see anything inherently wrong or undesirable about
>>> > driving.  In most places it is probably more efficient than public
>>> > transport.  Of course there are exceptions; New York city comes to
>>> > mind, for instance.  Still, living where I do now, I would totally
>>> > jump on the chance to drive if I could and it were realistic and safe,
>>> > at least most of the time.  That being said, it's far enough away that
>>> > I'm definitely not going to stop riding my busses and trains any time
>>> > soon.
>>> >  Best,
>>> > Kirt
>>> >
>>> > On 4/10/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Count me in.  I'm driving.   No wait; not driving, drivin.
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.**org<nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>]
>>> On Behalf Of Carly
>>> >> Mihalakis
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:33 PM
>>> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National
>>> >> Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi, List,
>>> >>
>>> >> On the other hand, for my whole life I have watched sighted folk seem
>>> >> to agonize over so much turmoil, and hostility towrd their fellow
>>> >> man, as they drive. I have always been grateful not having that crap
>>> >> to contend with. Besides, I am not confident about chances of ever
>>> >> affording such a car. And, I don't care about the principles personal
>>> >> cars supposedly afford. Where can they take you that a bus, train, or
>>> >> friend/driver cannot?
>>> >>  Ultimately, i believe traveling from point A to point B, oughta be
>>> >> a communal affair. Leave the driving to ol' Sighty!
>>> >> So no, on the car!
>>> >> Car At 06:23 PM 4/11/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
>>> >>> I can't wait to see these google cars come out. It will be a major
>>> >>> milestone in the independence and assimulation of blind people in
>>> >>> sighted society. My only worry is that the sighties won't trust us
>>> >>> to drive, even (maybe especially) if the car was
>>> >>> computer-controlled. Even my boyfriend, who is blind, says he will
>>> >>> never trust a self-propelled car. Our trouble will be convincing
>>> >>> them that it's safe for us and for others on the road.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> >>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:02:08 -0700
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hello,
>>> >>> The reason why the Google Car is Superior is because it is already
>>> >>> going
>>> >>> mainstream, it has a major company behind it and there is nothing
>>> >>> wrong
>>> >> with
>>> >>> backing both cars.
>>> >>> The big debate will be if people want to drive under their own >>>
>>> control or
>>> >>> a
>>> >>> computers. It is not unlike reading Braille or using a screen reader
>>> >>> to
>>> >> read
>>> >>> a book. Braille is all fine and dandy, but a screen reader is very
>>> >>> important. The difference is the Google car is going mainstream and
>>> >>> will
>>> >>> have mainstreem support. It would be the same if Jaws went
>>> mainstreem >>> and
>>> >>> companies like Google started making units that used Jaws and no >>>
>>> screen.
>>> >>> Braille would be useful, but not particularly necessary for most >>>
>>> common
>>> >>> tasks.
>>> >>> If one used a car on city roads and highways, there would be very
>>> >>> little
>>> >>> or
>>> >>> no need to manually drive. If one wanted to map a long driveway or
>>> >>> country
>>> >>> road, one would need to manually drive it till the road could be
>>> >>> completely
>>> >>> entered into the database.
>>> >>> Thanks,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> From: Sophie Trist
>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:37 PM
>>> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Brandon, I totally 100% agree!!! However, didn't the NFB invent a
>>> >>> self-propelled car of sorts? If so, it might be hard to convince
>>> >>> them to back the google car unless we can prove theirs is
>>> >>> superior.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> >>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:05:01 -0700
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hello,
>>> >>> Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be taken
>>> >>> into account
>>> >>> I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to be worked out, but
>>> >>> if the
>>> >>> government officials are pushed, it will happen very soon.
>>> >>> I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps they
>>> >>> could even
>>> >>> ask that a car come to the convention, I think Google would take
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> challenge.
>>> >>> Thanks,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> From: Justin Young
>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
>>> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>> >>>
>>> >>> So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market for
>>> >>> individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very
>>> >>> interesting
>>> >>> project.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada roads
>>> >>> after
>>> >>> the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on Monday the
>>> >>> nation's
>>> >>> first autonomous vehicle license.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The move came after officials rode along on drives on highways,
>>> >>> in
>>> >>> Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas Strip,
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> Nevada DMV said in a statement.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars for
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> state's roads, the first such law in the United States. That law
>>> >>> went
>>> >>> into effect on March 1, 2012.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar sensors,
>>> >>> lasers,
>>> >>> and a database of information collected from manually driven
>>> >>> cars to
>>> >>> help navigate, according to the company.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its
>>> >>> experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford
>>> >>> professor and
>>> >>> Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate Bridge
>>> >>> and
>>> >>> driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway, according to
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> company.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV
>>> >>> director
>>> >>> Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also has plans to
>>> >>> eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the members of
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> public, the DMV said.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered in
>>> >>> other
>>> >>> states, including Google's home state of California.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human error.
>>> >>> Through
>>> >>> the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an autonomous
>>> >>> vehicle
>>> >>> is capable of analyzing the driving environment more quickly and
>>> >>> operating the vehicle more safely," California state Senator
>>> >>> Alex
>>> >>> Padilla said in March when he introduced that state's autonomous
>>> >>> car
>>> >>> legislation.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car licenses in
>>> >>> Nevada,
>>> >>> the DMV said.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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