[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Fri Apr 12 18:50:18 UTC 2013

Say it, Peter!At 12:39 PM 4/11/2013, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>Robert,
>   This only proves my point.  The autopilot is designed to be quickly
>and easily turned off when human intervention, and sight, is needed.
>It's designed for "the technology to disappear", as the article so
>aptly puts it; this thing is designed so that a sighted driver can let
>the car do the driving but still be on the lookout to take over when
>needed.  That's a very long way from something we could use; like I
>said, give it fifteen or twenty years and I might be able to drive one
>of these things, if I have a steady job and at least a six-figure
>income.
>   Best,
>Kirt
>
>On 4/11/13, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sorry, my laptop keyboard is acting funy today and I forgot to proofread.
> >
> > On 4/11/13, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Carley,
> >>   You live in Boston.  I rest my case.
> >>   Patrick,
> >>   Fair enough; I'll happily concede that, when the technology is
> >> working, it's probably much safer than human drivers.  Still, even the
> >> most durable computer will break occasionally.  The best technology,
> >> while built to last, can't be guaranteed not to break or crash at a
> >> critical moment; if you've ever lost a peper you were working on and
> >> forgot to save, or had your hard drive die, or your phone break, or
> >> your cane snap, or whatever, you'll know what I'm talking about.
> >>   Best,
> >> Kirt
> >>
> >> On 4/11/13, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> I remember hearing something on the radio recently that the NTSB is
> >>> totally in favor of self-driving cars because they're a lot safer than
> >>> human drivers. From what I've experienced as a pedestrian dealing with
> >>> crazy drivers, I have to agree! :)
> >>> Patrick
> >>>
> >>> On 4/11/13, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Kaitie,
> >>>>   Give it fifteen years, at least.  Licensing these cars in the most
> >>>> libertarian of our United States, so that companies with highly
> >>>> trained employees can test them is a far, far cry from a license for
> >>>> the general public.  Even five or ten years down the road when public
> >>>> licenses are finally deemed safe, only the absolute wealthiest people
> >>>> will probably be able to afford them.  Even a few years after that,
> >>>> when the price will have probably dropped, sight will probably be a
> >>>> qualification for these licenses so that the driver can manually
> >>>> intervene in the event of technological error.  Imagine being totally
> >>>> blind and having your car's guidence computer crash while traveling
> >>>> down the interstate at 70 + mph...I'm not saying it will never happen,
> >>>> I think it will probably be in our lifetime but it's still a
> >>>> looooooooong way off.
> >>>>   Best,
> >>>> Kirt
> >>>>
> >>>> On 4/11/13, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Good afternoon everyone,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Last night we had some friends over to discuss business
> >>>>> opportunities.
> >>>>> Whenever such discussions occur the question of what you would do if
> >>>>> you
> >>>>> had
> >>>>>
> >>>>> an extra XXXX amount of money to spend. We showed them a video of the
> >>>>> blind
> >>>>>
> >>>>> drivable vehicle on the NFB Web site. We had their full attention the
> >>>>> whole
> >>>>>
> >>>>> time the video ran. We told them that we would like to have such a
> >>>>> vehicle
> >>>>> once they're licensed and become available to the public and the blind
> >>>>> for
> >>>>> perches. We also told them that that same technology could with
> >>>>> modification
> >>>>>
> >>>>> enable a blind person to fly their own private jet independently and
> >>>>> would
> >>>>> give us a tremendous amount of personal freedom.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     These vehicles won't be cheap. If you have any desire to own one
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> them
> >>>>>
> >>>>> it's best to develop the income required to buy one. Thousands of
> >>>>> individuals have fulfilled similar dreams and we as blind people
> >>>>> should
> >>>>> avail ourselves of such opportunities when they come along to enable
> >>>>> us
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> meet our needs without depending on state VR agencies and others.
> >>>>> We're
> >>>>> looking forward to having one of these vehicles once we're in position
> >>>>> financially and they're available for perches. Dream big!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Kaiti Shelton" <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:16 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hmmm, I'm thinking grad school in Navada, then a roadtrip back to Ohio
> >>>>> in a google car when I'm done.  Surely they can get something together
> >>>>> and the kinks worked out in 5 years.  :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 4/11/13, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>> Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be taken into
> >>>>>> account
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to be worked out, but if
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> government officials are pushed, it will happen very soon.
> >>>>>> I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps they could
> >>>>>> even
> >>>>>> ask that a car come to the convention, I think Google would take the
> >>>>>> challenge.
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Justin Young
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
> >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market for
> >>>>>> individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very interesting
> >>>>>> project.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada roads
> >>>>>>> after
> >>>>>>> the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on Monday the
> >>>>>>> nation's
> >>>>>>> first autonomous vehicle license.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The move came after officials rode along on drives on highways, in
> >>>>>>> Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas Strip, the
> >>>>>>> Nevada DMV said in a statement.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars for the
> >>>>>>> state's roads, the first such law in the United States. That law
> >>>>>>> went
> >>>>>>> into effect on March 1, 2012.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar sensors,
> >>>>>>> lasers,
> >>>>>>> and a database of information collected from manually driven cars to
> >>>>>>> help navigate, according to the company.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its
> >>>>>>> experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford professor
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate Bridge and
> >>>>>>> driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway, according to the
> >>>>>>> company.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV director
> >>>>>>> Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also has plans to
> >>>>>>> eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the members of the
> >>>>>>> public, the DMV said.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered in other
> >>>>>>> states, including Google's home state of California.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human error.
> >>>>>>> Through
> >>>>>>> the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an autonomous
> >>>>>>> vehicle
> >>>>>>> is capable of analyzing the driving environment more quickly and
> >>>>>>> operating the vehicle more safely," California state Senator Alex
> >>>>>>> Padilla said in March when he introduced that state's autonomous car
> >>>>>>> legislation.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car licenses in
> >>>>>>> Nevada,
> >>>>>>> the DMV said.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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