[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Fri Apr 12 19:29:28 UTC 2013

Hi, Kirt,

I live in Berkeley, not Boston. CarAt 12:32 PM 4/11/2013, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>Sorry, my laptop keyboard is acting funy today and I forgot to proofread.
>
>On 4/11/13, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Carley,
> >   You live in Boston.  I rest my case.
> >   Patrick,
> >   Fair enough; I'll happily concede that, when the technology is
> > working, it's probably much safer than human drivers.  Still, even the
> > most durable computer will break occasionally.  The best technology,
> > while built to last, can't be guaranteed not to break or crash at a
> > critical moment; if you've ever lost a peper you were working on and
> > forgot to save, or had your hard drive die, or your phone break, or
> > your cane snap, or whatever, you'll know what I'm talking about.
> >   Best,
> > Kirt
> >
> > On 4/11/13, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I remember hearing something on the radio recently that the NTSB is
> >> totally in favor of self-driving cars because they're a lot safer than
> >> human drivers. From what I've experienced as a pedestrian dealing with
> >> crazy drivers, I have to agree! :)
> >> Patrick
> >>
> >> On 4/11/13, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Kaitie,
> >>>   Give it fifteen years, at least.  Licensing these cars in the most
> >>> libertarian of our United States, so that companies with highly
> >>> trained employees can test them is a far, far cry from a license for
> >>> the general public.  Even five or ten years down the road when public
> >>> licenses are finally deemed safe, only the absolute wealthiest people
> >>> will probably be able to afford them.  Even a few years after that,
> >>> when the price will have probably dropped, sight will probably be a
> >>> qualification for these licenses so that the driver can manually
> >>> intervene in the event of technological error.  Imagine being totally
> >>> blind and having your car's guidence computer crash while traveling
> >>> down the interstate at 70 + mph...I'm not saying it will never happen,
> >>> I think it will probably be in our lifetime but it's still a
> >>> looooooooong way off.
> >>>   Best,
> >>> Kirt
> >>>
> >>> On 4/11/13, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>> Good afternoon everyone,
> >>>>
> >>>>     Last night we had some friends over to discuss business
> >>>> opportunities.
> >>>> Whenever such discussions occur the question of what you would do if
> >>>> you
> >>>> had
> >>>>
> >>>> an extra XXXX amount of money to spend. We showed them a video of the
> >>>> blind
> >>>>
> >>>> drivable vehicle on the NFB Web site. We had their full attention the
> >>>> whole
> >>>>
> >>>> time the video ran. We told them that we would like to have such a
> >>>> vehicle
> >>>> once they're licensed and become available to the public and the blind
> >>>> for
> >>>> perches. We also told them that that same technology could with
> >>>> modification
> >>>>
> >>>> enable a blind person to fly their own private jet independently and
> >>>> would
> >>>> give us a tremendous amount of personal freedom.
> >>>>
> >>>>     These vehicles won't be cheap. If you have any desire to own one of
> >>>> them
> >>>>
> >>>> it's best to develop the income required to buy one. Thousands of
> >>>> individuals have fulfilled similar dreams and we as blind people should
> >>>> avail ourselves of such opportunities when they come along to enable us
> >>>> to
> >>>> meet our needs without depending on state VR agencies and others. We're
> >>>> looking forward to having one of these vehicles once we're in position
> >>>> financially and they're available for perches. Dream big!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Kaiti Shelton" <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:16 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hmmm, I'm thinking grad school in Navada, then a roadtrip back to Ohio
> >>>> in a google car when I'm done.  Surely they can get something together
> >>>> and the kinks worked out in 5 years.  :)
> >>>>
> >>>> On 4/11/13, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>> Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be taken into
> >>>>> account
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to be worked out, but if
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> government officials are pushed, it will happen very soon.
> >>>>> I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps they could
> >>>>> even
> >>>>> ask that a car come to the convention, I think Google would take the
> >>>>> challenge.
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Justin Young
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
> >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market for
> >>>>> individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very interesting
> >>>>> project.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada roads
> >>>>>> after
> >>>>>> the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on Monday the
> >>>>>> nation's
> >>>>>> first autonomous vehicle license.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The move came after officials rode along on drives on highways, in
> >>>>>> Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas Strip, the
> >>>>>> Nevada DMV said in a statement.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars for the
> >>>>>> state's roads, the first such law in the United States. That law went
> >>>>>> into effect on March 1, 2012.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar sensors,
> >>>>>> lasers,
> >>>>>> and a database of information collected from manually driven cars to
> >>>>>> help navigate, according to the company.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its
> >>>>>> experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford professor
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate Bridge and
> >>>>>> driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway, according to the
> >>>>>> company.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV director
> >>>>>> Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also has plans to
> >>>>>> eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the members of the
> >>>>>> public, the DMV said.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered in other
> >>>>>> states, including Google's home state of California.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human error.
> >>>>>> Through
> >>>>>> the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an autonomous
> >>>>>> vehicle
> >>>>>> is capable of analyzing the driving environment more quickly and
> >>>>>> operating the vehicle more safely," California state Senator Alex
> >>>>>> Padilla said in March when he introduced that state's autonomous car
> >>>>>> legislation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car licenses in
> >>>>>> Nevada,
> >>>>>> the DMV said.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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