[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Sat Apr 13 17:00:22 UTC 2013

Exactly I am busting my "blind ass" in school so I can make a good income
and comparable to sighted people. It was insulting to imply that we as
blind individuals cannot make a good living.

On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Mauricio Almeida <
mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com> wrote:

> AMEN.
> It is purely and solely hat i believe regarding such an under elaborated
> rational.
>
> Mauricio
> On Apr 12, 2013, at 5:41 PM, blackbyrdfly at gmail.com wrote:
>
> > This email implies that someone's "blind ass" can't earn a substantial
> living comparable to that of a sighted person. I find this statement
> offensive, blatantly false, and inappropriate for a mailing list composed
> of blind students who are all, I hope, in school pursuing gainful careers.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 12, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Good morning, Suzanne,
> >>
> >> So you're saying you see your blind ass eventually  having enough dough
> for one of these things? At least we can take the bus, no matter how long
> it often takes to get somewhere. Car 07:08 AM 4/11/2013, justin williams
> wrote:
> >>> No not even good.  Cabs are two expensive, and you have to measure bus
> v.
> >>> paratransit, or move everywhere when you change jobs.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne
> Germano
> >>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:54 AM
> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>>
> >>> I would drive one of these in a heartbeat. I hate the bus! I am 49 and
> have
> >>> been ridng the bus since I was 12. I am frustrated it takes me 2 or
> more
> >>> hours to get somewhere that takes 20-30 minutes by car. And this has
> been
> >>> both in San Diego and Phoenix with buses running every 20-30 minutes I
> >>> almost always end up with 2 hour trips each way.  It is frustrating to
> only
> >>> be able to apply to a company who is on a bus route. I want the
> freedom to
> >>> work where I would enjoy myself the most and with the position that
> matches
> >>> my skill best. I also live in Phoenix (for now) and by the time I get
> >>> anywhere I am dripping in sweat. that is not good when going to work.
> Give
> >>> me a Google car!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:09 AM, christopher nusbaum <
> >>> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Kirt,
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree with you. Before we make any judgments on the Google car, we
> >>>> must remember that it is still in the planning stages and that  all
> >>>> Google cars that have been tested so far are no more than prototypes.
> >>>> This is evidenced by the need for the Google car to be taken over by
> >>>> human driver when it pulls off the highway, as the story which someone
> >>>> reposted here mentioned.
> >>>>
> >>>> Carly, we must also take into account that some blind people don't
> >>>> live in areas where public transportation is easily available, such as
> >>>> Boston or New York City. I, for instance, live in a semi rural town in
> >>>> Maryland, where our only options For public transportation are
> >>>> paratransit and a cab service. As you can imagine, neither of these
> >>>> options are preferable Because of the cost if not the reliability. For
> >>>> this reason, I would love the independence that the Google car might
> >>>> give me in this area.
> >>>>
> >>>> Just my thoughts,
> >>>>
> >>>> Chris Nusbaum
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Patrick,
> >>>>> If it's time they want, I'm willing to give it.  I hope you're
> >>>>> right; we'll have to wait and see.  I guess my only point was that
> >>>>> this thing isn't right around the corner; while it's realisticly
> >>>>> viable now, it's still probably a long ways off before we'll be able
> >>>>> to drive.  Where the google car is now is probably comparable to
> >>>>> where the internet was thirty or so years ago; people could see the
> >>>>> possibilities, it was realistic and people "in the know" were
> >>>>> probably aware it was coming...but it still had a long way to go
> >>>>> before it was viable to the general public.
> >>>>> And, Patrick, you're probably right that airplane pilots don't have
> >>>>> to manually control the plane very much between takeoff and landing.
> >>>>> Still, I can almost guarantee you they are paying very close
> >>>>> attention in the event something goes wrong.
> >>>>> Carley,
> >>>>> I don't really see anything inherently wrong or undesirable about
> >>>>> driving.  In most places it is probably more efficient than public
> >>>>> transport.  Of course there are exceptions; New York city comes to
> >>>>> mind, for instance.  Still, living where I do now, I would totally
> >>>>> jump on the chance to drive if I could and it were realistic and
> >>>>> safe, at least most of the time.  That being said, it's far enough
> >>>>> away that I'm definitely not going to stop riding my busses and
> >>>>> trains any time soon.
> >>>>> Best,
> >>>>> Kirt
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 4/10/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Count me in.  I'm driving.   No wait; not driving, drivin.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly
> >>>>>> Mihalakis
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:33 PM
> >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National
> >>>>>> Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi, List,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On the other hand, for my whole life I have watched sighted folk
> >>>>>> seem to agonize over so much turmoil, and hostility towrd their
> >>>>>> fellow man, as they drive. I have always been grateful not having
> >>>>>> that crap to contend with. Besides, I am not confident about
> >>>>>> chances of ever affording such a car. And, I don't care about the
> >>>>>> principles personal cars supposedly afford. Where can they take you
> >>>>>> that a bus, train, or friend/driver cannot?
> >>>>>> Ultimately, i believe traveling from point A to point B, oughta be
> >>>>>> a communal affair. Leave the driving to ol' Sighty!
> >>>>>> So no, on the car!
> >>>>>> Car At 06:23 PM 4/11/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
> >>>>>>> I can't wait to see these google cars come out. It will be a major
> >>>>>>> milestone in the independence and assimulation of blind people in
> >>>>>>> sighted society. My only worry is that the sighties won't trust us
> >>>>>>> to drive, even (maybe especially) if the car was
> >>>>>>> computer-controlled. Even my boyfriend, who is blind, says he will
> >>>>>>> never trust a self-propelled car. Our trouble will be convincing
> >>>>>>> them that it's safe for us and for others on the road.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:02:08 -0700
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>> The reason why the Google Car is Superior is because it is already
> >>>> going
> >>>>>>> mainstream, it has a major company behind it and there is nothing
> >>>>>>> wrong
> >>>>>> with
> >>>>>>> backing both cars.
> >>>>>>> The big debate will be if people want to drive under their own
> >>>>>>> control
> >>>> or
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>> computers. It is not unlike reading Braille or using a screen
> >>>>>>> reader to
> >>>>>> read
> >>>>>>> a book. Braille is all fine and dandy, but a screen reader is very
> >>>>>>> important. The difference is the Google car is going mainstream
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>> will
> >>>>>>> have mainstreem support. It would be the same if Jaws went
> >>>>>>> mainstreem
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>> companies like Google started making units that used Jaws and no
> >>>> screen.
> >>>>>>> Braille would be useful, but not particularly necessary for most
> >>>>>>> common tasks.
> >>>>>>> If one used a car on city roads and highways, there would be very
> >>>> little
> >>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>> no need to manually drive. If one wanted to map a long driveway or
> >>>> country
> >>>>>>> road, one would need to manually drive it till the road could be
> >>>>>>> completely entered into the database.
> >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: Sophie Trist
> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:37 PM
> >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Brandon, I totally 100% agree!!! However, didn't the NFB invent a
> >>>>>>> self-propelled car of sorts? If so, it might be hard to convince
> >>>>>>> them to back the google car unless we can prove theirs is
> >>>>>>> superior.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:05:01 -0700
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>> Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be taken
> >>>>>>> into account I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to be
> >>>>>>> worked out, but if the government officials are pushed, it will
> >>>>>>> happen very soon.
> >>>>>>> I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps they
> >>>>>>> could even ask that a car come to the convention, I think Google
> >>>>>>> would take the challenge.
> >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: Justin Young
> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
> >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market for
> >>>>>>> individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very interesting
> >>>>>>> project.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada roads
> >>>>>>> after the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on Monday
> >>>>>>> the nation's first autonomous vehicle license.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The move came after officials rode along on drives on highways, in
> >>>>>>> Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas Strip,
> >>>>>>> the Nevada DMV said in a statement.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars for
> >>>>>>> the state's roads, the first such law in the United States. That
> >>>>>>> law went into effect on March 1, 2012.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar sensors,
> >>>>>>> lasers, and a database of information collected from manually
> >>>>>>> driven cars to help navigate, according to the company.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its
> >>>>>>> experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford
> >>>>>>> professor and Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate Bridge and
> >>>>>>> driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway, according to
> >>>>>>> the company.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV
> >>>>>>> director Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also has
> >>>>>>> plans to eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the
> >>>>>>> members of the public, the DMV said.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered in
> >>>>>>> other states, including Google's home state of California.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human error.
> >>>>>>> Through
> >>>>>>> the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an autonomous
> >>>>>>> vehicle is capable of analyzing the driving environment more
> >>>>>>> quickly and operating the vehicle more safely," California state
> >>>>>>> Senator Alex Padilla said in March when he introduced that state's
> >>>>>>> autonomous car legislation.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car licenses in
> >>>>>>> Nevada, the DMV said.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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