[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Sat Apr 13 19:30:08 UTC 2013

Hi, Suzanne,

I didn't even bring up blindness and how it relates to income 
disparity.At 10:00 AM 4/13/2013, Suzanne Germano wrote:
>Exactly I am busting my "blind ass" in school so I can make a good income
>and comparable to sighted people. It was insulting to imply that we as
>blind individuals cannot make a good living.
>
>
>On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Mauricio Almeida <
>mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > AMEN.
> > It is purely and solely hat i believe regarding such an under elaborated
> > rational.
> >
> > Mauricio
> > On Apr 12, 2013, at 5:41 PM, blackbyrdfly at gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > This email implies that someone's "blind ass" can't earn a substantial
> > living comparable to that of a sighted person. I find this statement
> > offensive, blatantly false, and inappropriate for a mailing list composed
> > of blind students who are all, I hope, in school pursuing gainful careers.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Good morning, Suzanne,
> > >>
> > >> So you're saying you see your blind ass eventually  having enough dough
> > for one of these things? At least we can take the bus, no matter how long
> > it often takes to get somewhere. Car 07:08 AM 4/11/2013, justin williams
> > wrote:
> > >>> No not even good.  Cabs are two expensive, and you have to measure bus
> > v.
> > >>> paratransit, or move everywhere when you change jobs.
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne
> > Germano
> > >>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:54 AM
> > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> > >>>
> > >>> I would drive one of these in a heartbeat. I hate the bus! I am 49 and
> > have
> > >>> been ridng the bus since I was 12. I am frustrated it takes me 2 or
> > more
> > >>> hours to get somewhere that takes 20-30 minutes by car. And this has
> > been
> > >>> both in San Diego and Phoenix with buses running every 20-30 minutes I
> > >>> almost always end up with 2 hour trips each way.  It is frustrating to
> > only
> > >>> be able to apply to a company who is on a bus route. I want the
> > freedom to
> > >>> work where I would enjoy myself the most and with the position that
> > matches
> > >>> my skill best. I also live in Phoenix (for now) and by the time I get
> > >>> anywhere I am dripping in sweat. that is not good when going to work.
> > Give
> > >>> me a Google car!!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:09 AM, christopher nusbaum <
> > >>> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Kirt,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I agree with you. Before we make any judgments on the Google car, we
> > >>>> must remember that it is still in the planning stages and that  all
> > >>>> Google cars that have been tested so far are no more than prototypes.
> > >>>> This is evidenced by the need for the Google car to be taken over by
> > >>>> human driver when it pulls off the highway, as the story which someone
> > >>>> reposted here mentioned.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Carly, we must also take into account that some blind people don't
> > >>>> live in areas where public transportation is easily available, such as
> > >>>> Boston or New York City. I, for instance, live in a semi rural town in
> > >>>> Maryland, where our only options For public transportation are
> > >>>> paratransit and a cab service. As you can imagine, neither of these
> > >>>> options are preferable Because of the cost if not the reliability. For
> > >>>> this reason, I would love the independence that the Google car might
> > >>>> give me in this area.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Just my thoughts,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Chris Nusbaum
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
> > >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Patrick,
> > >>>>> If it's time they want, I'm willing to give it.  I hope you're
> > >>>>> right; we'll have to wait and see.  I guess my only point was that
> > >>>>> this thing isn't right around the corner; while it's realisticly
> > >>>>> viable now, it's still probably a long ways off before we'll be able
> > >>>>> to drive.  Where the google car is now is probably comparable to
> > >>>>> where the internet was thirty or so years ago; people could see the
> > >>>>> possibilities, it was realistic and people "in the know" were
> > >>>>> probably aware it was coming...but it still had a long way to go
> > >>>>> before it was viable to the general public.
> > >>>>> And, Patrick, you're probably right that airplane pilots don't have
> > >>>>> to manually control the plane very much between takeoff and landing.
> > >>>>> Still, I can almost guarantee you they are paying very close
> > >>>>> attention in the event something goes wrong.
> > >>>>> Carley,
> > >>>>> I don't really see anything inherently wrong or undesirable about
> > >>>>> driving.  In most places it is probably more efficient than public
> > >>>>> transport.  Of course there are exceptions; New York city comes to
> > >>>>> mind, for instance.  Still, living where I do now, I would totally
> > >>>>> jump on the chance to drive if I could and it were realistic and
> > >>>>> safe, at least most of the time.  That being said, it's far enough
> > >>>>> away that I'm definitely not going to stop riding my busses and
> > >>>>> trains any time soon.
> > >>>>> Best,
> > >>>>> Kirt
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 4/10/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> Count me in.  I'm driving.   No wait; not driving, drivin.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly
> > >>>>>> Mihalakis
> > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:33 PM
> > >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National
> > >>>>>> Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi, List,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On the other hand, for my whole life I have watched sighted folk
> > >>>>>> seem to agonize over so much turmoil, and hostility towrd their
> > >>>>>> fellow man, as they drive. I have always been grateful not having
> > >>>>>> that crap to contend with. Besides, I am not confident about
> > >>>>>> chances of ever affording such a car. And, I don't care about the
> > >>>>>> principles personal cars supposedly afford. Where can they take you
> > >>>>>> that a bus, train, or friend/driver cannot?
> > >>>>>> Ultimately, i believe traveling from point A to point B, oughta be
> > >>>>>> a communal affair. Leave the driving to ol' Sighty!
> > >>>>>> So no, on the car!
> > >>>>>> Car At 06:23 PM 4/11/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
> > >>>>>>> I can't wait to see these google cars come out. It will be a major
> > >>>>>>> milestone in the independence and assimulation of blind people in
> > >>>>>>> sighted society. My only worry is that the sighties won't trust us
> > >>>>>>> to drive, even (maybe especially) if the car was
> > >>>>>>> computer-controlled. Even my boyfriend, who is blind, says he will
> > >>>>>>> never trust a self-propelled car. Our trouble will be convincing
> > >>>>>>> them that it's safe for us and for others on the road.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> > >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> > >>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:02:08 -0700
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hello,
> > >>>>>>> The reason why the Google Car is Superior is because it is already
> > >>>> going
> > >>>>>>> mainstream, it has a major company behind it and there is nothing
> > >>>>>>> wrong
> > >>>>>> with
> > >>>>>>> backing both cars.
> > >>>>>>> The big debate will be if people want to drive under their own
> > >>>>>>> control
> > >>>> or
> > >>>>>>> a
> > >>>>>>> computers. It is not unlike reading Braille or using a screen
> > >>>>>>> reader to
> > >>>>>> read
> > >>>>>>> a book. Braille is all fine and dandy, but a screen reader is very
> > >>>>>>> important. The difference is the Google car is going mainstream
> > >>>>>>> and
> > >>>> will
> > >>>>>>> have mainstreem support. It would be the same if Jaws went
> > >>>>>>> mainstreem
> > >>>> and
> > >>>>>>> companies like Google started making units that used Jaws and no
> > >>>> screen.
> > >>>>>>> Braille would be useful, but not particularly necessary for most
> > >>>>>>> common tasks.
> > >>>>>>> If one used a car on city roads and highways, there would be very
> > >>>> little
> > >>>>>>> or
> > >>>>>>> no need to manually drive. If one wanted to map a long driveway or
> > >>>> country
> > >>>>>>> road, one would need to manually drive it till the road could be
> > >>>>>>> completely entered into the database.
> > >>>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>> From: Sophie Trist
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:37 PM
> > >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Brandon, I totally 100% agree!!! However, didn't the NFB invent a
> > >>>>>>> self-propelled car of sorts? If so, it might be hard to convince
> > >>>>>>> them to back the google car unless we can prove theirs is
> > >>>>>>> superior.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> > >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> > >>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:05:01 -0700
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hello,
> > >>>>>>> Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be taken
> > >>>>>>> into account I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to be
> > >>>>>>> worked out, but if the government officials are pushed, it will
> > >>>>>>> happen very soon.
> > >>>>>>> I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps they
> > >>>>>>> could even ask that a car come to the convention, I think Google
> > >>>>>>> would take the challenge.
> > >>>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>> From: Justin Young
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
> > >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market for
> > >>>>>>> individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very interesting
> > >>>>>>> project.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada roads
> > >>>>>>> after the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on Monday
> > >>>>>>> the nation's first autonomous vehicle license.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The move came after officials rode along on drives on highways, in
> > >>>>>>> Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas Strip,
> > >>>>>>> the Nevada DMV said in a statement.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars for
> > >>>>>>> the state's roads, the first such law in the United States. That
> > >>>>>>> law went into effect on March 1, 2012.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar sensors,
> > >>>>>>> lasers, and a database of information collected from manually
> > >>>>>>> driven cars to help navigate, according to the company.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its
> > >>>>>>> experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford
> > >>>>>>> professor and Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate Bridge and
> > >>>>>>> driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway, according to
> > >>>>>>> the company.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV
> > >>>>>>> director Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also has
> > >>>>>>> plans to eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the
> > >>>>>>> members of the public, the DMV said.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered in
> > >>>>>>> other states, including Google's home state of California.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> "The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human error.
> > >>>>>>> Through
> > >>>>>>> the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an autonomous
> > >>>>>>> vehicle is capable of analyzing the driving environment more
> > >>>>>>> quickly and operating the vehicle more safely," California state
> > >>>>>>> Senator Alex Padilla said in March when he introduced that state's
> > >>>>>>> autonomous car legislation.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car licenses in
> > >>>>>>> Nevada, the DMV said.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
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