[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Sophie Trist sweetpeareader at gmail.com
Sun Apr 14 15:08:30 UTC 2013 

What you call being self-serving and frivolous, I call being 
independent. I want to match "Ol' sighty" in his capacity to get 
around quickly and conveniently. And yes, public transit works, 
but not well. I know a friend who uses it to get to school, and 
it takes him two hours. He does that twice a day, so overall, it 
takes him 4 hours to get to and from school. In a car, it would 
take him, like, 20 minutes. Why would anyone want to make their 
lives harder when there's a more convenient option? We live in 
the richest, greatest country in the world. Why not take 
advantage of that? I, for one, could buy a car with a totally 
clear conscience.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,National Association of Blind Students 
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Date sent: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 06:51:15 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Good moring,
Ol' Sighty does  a lot of weird shit, so  I don't think you 
oughtta
airmark any riches you are able to save, toward such a self 
serving
project as a car, when the People's transit already serves your 
needs
just fine.
Yet, if you insiste on matching ol' Sighty in his capacity to be
frivolous, and self serving, then have fun!
Carlycarlymih at comcast.net
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Date sent: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 01:01:45 -0700
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Evening, Josh,

Yes, I tend to regard a question of blind people devoting such a
substantial portion of their riches to such a lofty and  arguably
realistic venture as a friggen car, as a completely self serving 
way
to bleed one's coffers unnecessarily, with a healthy
trepidation...
As if such an Over-the-top stroking of one's ego actually matters
within a big picture?  After all, people are suffering, even
dying
in our world quite unnecessarily. war and oppression of our 
brothers
and sisters continues being initiated, and propagated, as the
unfeeling wheels of Capitalism, and policies designed  to oppress 
us
grind on, unabated.
And people's soul focus seems to be a Reinventing of the wheel?
Have a good day!
Carly

Hello,
Google is supportive of having blind drivers, they have come
to events and
shown blind folks the car. I've sat in quite a few, although I've 
never
been in one while it has been driven. I'd think it will be 
exactly like
being a passenger of a sighted driver, but without the crazy 
breakings
every few minutes and the heart attacks the sighted drivers
constantly face.
Frankly, I would trust the Google Car way more than I would trust 
my mom
as the driver. Computers are much more reliable than humans in
my opinion.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message----- From: christopher nusbaum
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 6:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

As it stands, he's going to need a sighted driver in the car who 
can
take the wheel when the need arises. But Google will have to fix 
this
if they're hoping for a blind person to drive it independently.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Carly Mihalakis
<carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:

  Hi, Chris, Kirt and everyone else on this thread,

You guys are right in saying that, one need not pass judgement 
without
fully experiencing this machine in Wonderland. it's true we
don't have all
the information. And, I think it's right when you say the thing 
doesn't
murge onto the freeway. What happens to the driving blink if
he dares to
usese se the interstate? usese the freeway? 4/12/2013,
christopher nusbaum
wrote:

Kirt,

I agree with you. Before we make any judgments on the Google car, 
we
must remember that it is still in the planning stages and that
all
Google cars that have been tested so far are no more than 
prototypes.
This is evidenced by the need for the Google car to be taken over 
by
human driver when it pulls off the highway, as the story which 
someone
reposted here mentioned.

Carly, we must also take into account that some blind people 
don't
live in areas where public transportation is easily available, 
such as
Boston or New York City. I, for instance, live in a semi rural 
town in
Maryland, where our only options For public transportation are
paratransit and a cab service. As you can imagine, neither of 
these
options are preferable Because of the cost if not the 
reliability. For
this reason, I would love the independence that the Google car 
might
give me in this area.

Just my thoughts,

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring 
<kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
wrote:

Patrick,
  If it's time they want, I'm willing to give it.  I hope you're
right; we'll have to wait and see.  I guess my only point was 
that
this thing isn't right around the corner; while it's realisticly
viable now, it's still probably a long ways off before we'll be 
able
to drive.  Where the google car is now is probably
comparable to where
the internet was thirty or so years ago; people could see the
possibilities, it was realistic and people "in the know"
were probably
aware it was coming...but it still had a long way to go
before it was
viable to the general public.
  And, Patrick, you're probably right that airplane pilots don't 
have
to manually control the plane very much between takeoff and 
landing.
Still, I can almost guarantee you they are paying very
close attention
in the event something goes wrong.
  Carley,
  I don't really see anything inherently wrong or undesirable 
about
driving.  In most places it is probably more efficient than 
public
transport.  Of course there are exceptions; New York city comes 
to
mind, for instance.  Still, living where I do now, I would 
totally
jump on the chance to drive if I could and it were
realistic and safe,
at least most of the time.  That being said, it's far
enough away that
I'm definitely not going to stop riding my busses and
trains any time
soon.
  Best,
Kirt

On 4/10/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
Count me in.  I'm driving.   No wait; not driving, drivin.

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Hi, List,

On the other hand, for my whole life I have watched
sighted folk seem
to agonize over so much turmoil, and hostility towrd their fellow
man, as they drive. I have always been grateful not
having that crap
to contend with. Besides, I am not confident about chances of 
ever
affording such a car. And, I don't care about the
principles personal
cars supposedly afford. Where can they take you that a
bus, train, or
friend/driver cannot?
  Ultimately, i believe traveling from point A to point B, oughta 
be
a communal affair. Leave the driving to ol' Sighty!
So no, on the car!
Car At 06:23 PM 4/11/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
I can't wait to see these google cars come out. It will be a 
major
milestone in the independence and assimulation of blind people in
sighted society. My only worry is that the sighties won't trust 
us
to drive, even (maybe especially) if the car was
computer-controlled. Even my boyfriend, who is blind, says he 
will
never trust a self-propelled car. Our trouble will be convincing
them that it's safe for us and for others on the road.

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Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:02:08 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Hello,
The reason why the Google Car is Superior is because it is 
already
going
mainstream, it has a major company behind it and there is nothing
wrong
with
backing both cars.
The big debate will be if people want to drive under their own
control or
a
computers. It is not unlike reading Braille or using a
screen reader
to
read
a book. Braille is all fine and dandy, but a screen reader is 
very
important. The difference is the Google car is going
mainstream and
will
have mainstreem support. It would be the same if Jaws went
mainstreem >>> and
companies like Google started making units that used
Jaws and no
screen.
Braille would be useful, but not particularly necessary
for most
common
tasks.
If one used a car on city roads and highways, there would be very
little
or
no need to manually drive. If one wanted to map a long driveway 
or
country
road, one would need to manually drive it till the road could be
completely
entered into the database.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Sophie Trist
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Brandon, I totally 100% agree!!! However, didn't the NFB invent a
self-propelled car of sorts? If so, it might be hard to convince
them to back the google car unless we can prove theirs is
superior.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:05:01 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Hello,
Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be taken
into account
I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to be worked out, but
if the
government officials are pushed, it will happen very soon.
I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps they
could even
ask that a car come to the convention, I think Google would take
the
challenge.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Young
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market for
individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very
interesting
project.

On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com> wrote:
Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada roads
after
the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on Monday the
nation's
first autonomous vehicle license.

The move came after officials rode along on drives on highways,
in
Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas Strip,
the
Nevada DMV said in a statement.

The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars for
the
state's roads, the first such law in the United States. That law
went
into effect on March 1, 2012.

Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar sensors,
lasers,
and a database of information collected from manually driven
cars to
help navigate, according to the company.

The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its
experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford
professor and
Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.

Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate Bridge
and
driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway, according to
the
company.

Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV
director
Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also has plans to
eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the members of
the
public, the DMV said.

Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered in
other
states, including Google's home state of California.

"The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human error.
Through
the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an autonomous
vehicle
is capable of analyzing the driving environment more quickly and
operating the vehicle more safely," California state Senator
Alex
Padilla said in March when he introduced that state's autonomous
car
legislation.

Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car licenses in
Nevada,
the DMV said.


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