[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

justin williams justin.williams2 at gmail.com
Sat Apr 13 20:23:07 UTC 2013 

Outstanding.  

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From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher
nusbaum
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 4:07 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Unless they fix it, which they are working on.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 12, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi, guys,
>
> Does that not deveat the purpose of said car and blind folks?CarAt 06:03
AM 4/12/2013, christopher nusbaum wrote:
>> As it stands, he's going to need a sighted driver in the car who can 
>> take the wheel when the need arises. But Google will have to fix this 
>> if they're hoping for a blind person to drive it independently.
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
wrote:
>>
>> > Hi, Chris, Kirt and everyone else on this thread,
>> >
>> > You guys are right in saying that, one need not pass judgement without
fully experiencing this machine in Wonderland. it's true we don't have all
the information. And, I think it's right when you say the thing doesn't
murge onto the freeway. What happens to the driving blink if he dares to
usese se the interstate? usese the freeway? 4/12/2013, christopher nusbaum
wrote:
>> >> Kirt,
>> >>
>> >> I agree with you. Before we make any judgments on the Google car, 
>> >> we must remember that it is still in the planning stages and that  
>> >> all Google cars that have been tested so far are no more than
prototypes.
>> >> This is evidenced by the need for the Google car to be taken over 
>> >> by human driver when it pulls off the highway, as the story which 
>> >> someone reposted here mentioned.
>> >>
>> >> Carly, we must also take into account that some blind people don't 
>> >> live in areas where public transportation is easily available, 
>> >> such as Boston or New York City. I, for instance, live in a semi 
>> >> rural town in Maryland, where our only options For public 
>> >> transportation are paratransit and a cab service. As you can 
>> >> imagine, neither of these options are preferable Because of the 
>> >> cost if not the reliability. For this reason, I would love the 
>> >> independence that the Google car might give me in this area.
>> >>
>> >> Just my thoughts,
>> >>
>> >> Chris Nusbaum
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Patrick,
>> >> >  If it's time they want, I'm willing to give it.  I hope you're 
>> >> > right; we'll have to wait and see.  I guess my only point was 
>> >> > that this thing isn't right around the corner; while it's 
>> >> > realisticly viable now, it's still probably a long ways off 
>> >> > before we'll be able to drive.  Where the google car is now is 
>> >> > probably comparable to where the internet was thirty or so years 
>> >> > ago; people could see the possibilities, it was realistic and 
>> >> > people "in the know" were probably aware it was coming...but it 
>> >> > still had a long way to go before it was viable to the general
public.
>> >> >  And, Patrick, you're probably right that airplane pilots don't 
>> >> > have to manually control the plane very much between takeoff and
landing.
>> >> > Still, I can almost guarantee you they are paying very close 
>> >> > attention in the event something goes wrong.
>> >> >  Carley,
>> >> >  I don't really see anything inherently wrong or undesirable 
>> >> > about driving.  In most places it is probably more efficient 
>> >> > than public transport.  Of course there are exceptions; New York 
>> >> > city comes to mind, for instance.  Still, living where I do now, 
>> >> > I would totally jump on the chance to drive if I could and it 
>> >> > were realistic and safe, at least most of the time.  That being 
>> >> > said, it's far enough away that I'm definitely not going to stop 
>> >> > riding my busses and trains any time soon.
>> >> >  Best,
>> >> > Kirt
>> >> >
>> >> > On 4/10/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Count me in.  I'm driving.   No wait; not driving, drivin.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> >> >> Carly Mihalakis
>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:33 PM
>> >> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; 
>> >> >> National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi, List,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On the other hand, for my whole life I have watched sighted 
>> >> >> folk seem to agonize over so much turmoil, and hostility towrd 
>> >> >> their fellow man, as they drive. I have always been grateful 
>> >> >> not having that crap to contend with. Besides, I am not 
>> >> >> confident about chances of ever affording such a car. And, I 
>> >> >> don't care about the principles personal cars supposedly 
>> >> >> afford. Where can they take you that a bus, train, or friend/driver
cannot?
>> >> >>  Ultimately, i believe traveling from point A to point B, 
>> >> >> oughta be a communal affair. Leave the driving to ol' Sighty!
>> >> >> So no, on the car!
>> >> >> Car At 06:23 PM 4/11/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
>> >> >>> I can't wait to see these google cars come out. It will be a 
>> >> >>> major milestone in the independence and assimulation of blind 
>> >> >>> people in sighted society. My only worry is that the sighties 
>> >> >>> won't trust us to drive, even (maybe especially) if the car 
>> >> >>> was computer-controlled. Even my boyfriend, who is blind, says 
>> >> >>> he will never trust a self-propelled car. Our trouble will be 
>> >> >>> convincing them that it's safe for us and for others on the road.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>> >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> >>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:02:08 -0700
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Hello,
>> >> >>> The reason why the Google Car is Superior is because it is 
>> >> >>> already going mainstream, it has a major company behind it and 
>> >> >>> there is nothing wrong
>> >> >> with
>> >> >>> backing both cars.
>> >> >>> The big debate will be if people want to drive under their own 
>> >> >>> control or a computers. It is not unlike reading Braille or 
>> >> >>> using a screen reader to
>> >> >> read
>> >> >>> a book. Braille is all fine and dandy, but a screen reader is 
>> >> >>> very important. The difference is the Google car is going 
>> >> >>> mainstream and will have mainstreem support. It would be the 
>> >> >>> same if Jaws went mainstreem and companies like Google started
making units that used Jaws and no screen.
>> >> >>> Braille would be useful, but not particularly necessary for 
>> >> >>> most common tasks.
>> >> >>> If one used a car on city roads and highways, there would be 
>> >> >>> very little or no need to manually drive. If one wanted to map 
>> >> >>> a long driveway or country road, one would need to manually 
>> >> >>> drive it till the road could be completely entered into the 
>> >> >>> database.
>> >> >>> Thanks,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>> From: Sophie Trist
>> >> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:37 PM
>> >> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Brandon, I totally 100% agree!!! However, didn't the NFB 
>> >> >>> invent a self-propelled car of sorts? If so, it might be hard 
>> >> >>> to convince them to back the google car unless we can prove 
>> >> >>> theirs is superior.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>> >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> >>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:05:01 -0700
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Hello,
>> >> >>> Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be 
>> >> >>> taken into account I'm sure and licensing probably still needs 
>> >> >>> to be worked out, but if the government officials are pushed, 
>> >> >>> it will happen very soon.
>> >> >>> I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps they 
>> >> >>> could even ask that a car come to the convention, I think 
>> >> >>> Google would take the challenge.
>> >> >>> Thanks,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>> From: Justin Young
>> >> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
>> >> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market 
>> >> >>> for individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very 
>> >> >>> interesting project.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada 
>> >> >>> roads after the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved 
>> >> >>> on Monday the nation's first autonomous vehicle license.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The move came after officials rode along on drives on 
>> >> >>> highways, in Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous 
>> >> >>> Las Vegas Strip, the Nevada DMV said in a statement.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars 
>> >> >>> for the state's roads, the first such law in the United 
>> >> >>> States. That law went into effect on March 1, 2012.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar 
>> >> >>> sensors, lasers, and a database of information collected from 
>> >> >>> manually driven cars to help navigate, according to the 
>> >> >>> company.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its 
>> >> >>> experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford 
>> >> >>> professor and Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate Bridge 
>> >> >>> and driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway, 
>> >> >>> according to the company.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV 
>> >> >>> director Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also has 
>> >> >>> plans to eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the 
>> >> >>> members of the public, the DMV said.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered in 
>> >> >>> other states, including Google's home state of California.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> "The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human error.
>> >> >>> Through
>> >> >>> the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an autonomous 
>> >> >>> vehicle is capable of analyzing the driving environment more 
>> >> >>> quickly and operating the vehicle more safely," California 
>> >> >>> state Senator Alex Padilla said in March when he introduced 
>> >> >>> that state's autonomous car legislation.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car licenses 
>> >> >>> in Nevada, the DMV said.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
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