[nabs-l] the test accomodations

Tue Apr 30 22:23:34 UTC 2013

A serial port does not work for this. The VGA monitors look like a 
serial port, but they're not with obvious different pin configurations.
I don't know if the MPower has the right ports on it--if there's a USB 
port, you may be able to get a USB to DVI converter and use that to hook 
into a DVI monitor. It really depends on the port configuration.
On 4/30/2013 4:09 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
> Ashley,
>
> A serial port should work for this.
>
> Chris
>
> Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair
> Public Relations Committee
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 1:16 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>
> Lilly,
> I like that idea. I have an m'power. What cable do you use to hook a monitor
> to the notetaker?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lillie Pennington
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 9:35 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>
> Out of curiosity. Did the issue of having a  monitor hooked up to your
> Braille note ever come up so the professor or  whoever could see what you
> were doing and not cheating. I like that system as well. It can get dicey
> with graphics in the file or massive word banks.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 29, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was a teaching assistant for a large introductory psychology course
>> a few years ago, and was on the other side of the accommodations issue
>> getting disability letters from students who needed extended time or a
>> distraction-free environment for testing. I would send these letters
>> to the instructor who supervised me and he always said he hated
>> working with disability services and much preferred to work out the
>> testing "in-house" between him/me and the student. So I would have
>> students take exams in my office instead of using the testing center
>> because it was less hassle for the instructor that way. If instructors
>> have to go through disability services, they have to prepare their
>> tests early and they also have to often grade the test after everyone
>> else's because they don't get it from disability services until later.
>> I agree that a Braille Note could be a really good compromise between
>> using a Braille test and using a reader. The prof could give you a
>> text file, you could fill it out on your Braille Note and then turn it
>> back in at the same time as all other students. As others have stated,
>> professors may or may not allow this but the only way to find out is
>> to ask. I used my Braille Note for testing for four semesters and I
>> think in that time only one professor insisted I use DSS instead of
>> using my Braille Note.
>>
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 4/29/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Kirt,
>>> okay; then how do you take the exam? with your own laptop? If not,
>>> how do you read the exam?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Kirt
>>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 6:22 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>>>
>>> Ashley,
>>> It might be worth checking if your professor will let you take the
>>> test outside of the testing center. If your relationship with her is
>>> as good as you say it is, what would be the harm in asking, at the
>>> very least?
>>> Incidentally, many of my professors have recommended that I take
>>> their test
>>>
>>> outside of the testing center, even if that's where the rest of the
>>> class takes it.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:57 PM, "Lillie Pennington"
>>> <lilliepennington at fuse.net>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ashley,
>>>> Are you going to be taking classes after this semester? You may want
>>>> to be thinking in the long term of how your going to be fixing these
>>>> types of problems. For example, if your taking another class like
>>>> this where you may want a Braille copy, how do you plan to get it?
>>>> Would you be willing to pay with your own money for a Braille test?
>>>> You could look into getting your tests transcribed somehow. You
>>>> could talk to your future professors about this (you'd probably have
>>>> to make arrangements for them to somehow send the test off to make
>>>> sure that you couldn't possibly cheat.) I recall you mentioning in
>>>> another email that you had a Braille note. How comfortable are you
>>>> with electronic files? The professor may have  an electronic copy of
>>>> the test and you could load it on your Braille note and read from
>>>> there on your display so you are indeed getting a copy in Braille
>>>> (sort of.) For these tests with the foreign language words, and
>>>> other tests in general, this could also iliminate the reader
>>>> problems your having. I don't know if any
>>>>
>>>> of
>>>> this would work, I'm just trying to throw out a few solutions that I
>>>> was thinking of.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
>>>> Bramlett
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:57 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>>>>
>>>> Hi Justin and everyone,
>>>> Oh how I'd love a braille copy. that would eliminate this problem of
>>>> hearing a reader state these words.
>>>> No, they will not provide braille. They have no one to run the
>>>> braille production anymore; I don't know what the assistive technology
> guy left.
>>>> They would have to outsource the brailling and there is no time for
>>>> this.
>>>> Additionally, I asked my disability counselor to get another exam
>>>> brailled last semester. She refused! As I said, she is difficult to
>>>> work with.
>>>> She will do what is minimally required. Her response and argument
>>>> against braille was the following:
>>>> 1. The college is only required to provide access and you can read
>>>> the exam with jaws.
>>>> 2. You are not entitled to your prefered format of an exam.
>>>> 3. No one is available to braille your exam in-house and it is not
>>>> necessary to braille this exam. We won't pay for the outsourcing to
>>>> translate into braille because you have a means to access the exam
>>>> now.
>>>>
>>>> It was a pr exam btw.
>>>> So, I'm sure I cannot get a brailled exam, even if there was enough
>>>> time.
>>>> She would make the same arguments I believe.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: justin williams
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:10 PM
>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>>>>
>>>> At this point, why not.  Not a bad idea.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne
>>>> Germano
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:51 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>>>>
>>>> Can they provide you a Braille copy of the test so you can follow
>>>> along with the reader?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Arielle Silverman <
>>>> Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I really think you will be less stressed and happier if you cut out
>>>>> the DSS middleman, and just work with your professor. As a backup,
>>>>> if the prof is totally unwilling, you can go back to DSS and follow
>>>>> their rules. But you said the prof is helpful, so it's likely he'll
>>>>> be willing to work something out with you that's fair.
>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/27/13, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> What they mean is "if you take the test in our building you have
>>>>>> to use our readers". The DSS policies don't apply to you once you
>>>>>> step out of their office.
>>>>>> I  don't know where other blind students have taken tests with
>>>>>> their private readers, but I'd think you could do it in a
>>>>>> designated testing room in the building where the class is, or you
>>>>>> could go to the professor's office hours and do it there while the
>>>>>> professor is around to ensure you don't cheat.
>>>>>> If you ask the professor, they might be able to offer a reader who
>>>>>> works for the department, like a student worker or an assistant. I
>>>>>> don't know how it works in community colleges, but I know at my
>>>>>> university, the psych department has a huge support staff. This
>>>>>> will help you avoid having to pay out of pocket, though even then
>>>>>> you might end up sacrificing a little bit on reader quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember: the DSS policies are binding on the DSS staff, but
>>>>>> they're not binding on you as the student. The only one who really
>>>>>> has control over how you take tests is the professor. Some
>>>>>> professors give their entire classes online exams. That's their
>>>>>> right as professors
>>>> to do.
>>>>>> If the professor trusts you enough to let you use your own reader,
>>>>>> or to use your laptop in class, or any of a number of other
>>>>>> accommodations, that's their decision to make.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/27/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Arielle,
>>>>>>> So you're suggesting that the professor and student which is me
>>>>>>> arrange for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a private reader I hire to take the exam.
>>>>>>> Where would I take the exam then? I'll have to check if this
>>>>>>> violates school
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> policy.
>>>>>>> Are you saying that you know blind students using their own
>>>>>>> readers for exams with no objection from the professor? Where
>>>>>>> would they take the exam and how does the professor ensure that
>>>>>>> you did not cheat then?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Arielle Silverman
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:03 PM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, a DSS office cannot legislate what you do outside of their
>>>>>>> office.
>>>>>>> If you and the professor agree that you will use a reader you
>>>>>>> hired yourself, the DSS office cannot step in and veto that
>>>>>>> arrangement you worked out with your professor. The DSS office
>>>>>>> only has authority if you give it to them by asking to take the
>>>>>>> test in their
>>>> office.
>>>>>>> Hiring your own readers for testing is only a problem if the
>>>>>>> professor has an objection to it. Many professors are quite
>>>>>>> laid-back about things like that, even if they are technically
>>>>>>> not quite in line with school policy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/26/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sounds like a possible ADA case if it gets to far.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> Ashley Bramlett
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:21 PM
>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Arielle,
>>>>>>>> oOh, um, this is a community college. I'm finished my BA degree
>>>>>>>> but taking classes to further my studies and get a writing
>>>>>>>> certificate. The class
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> need a competent reader for is religion.
>>>>>>>> No a TA won't work. Also, Its community college.
>>>>>>>> you make it sound easy. Gee, I do wish I could get my own readers.
>>>>> Gosh.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> can think of like 20 people who would be competent readers and
>>>>>>>> have a clue how to read such a test. But no, they don't allow me
>>>>>>>> to do this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do indeed have my own readers for studying and reading texts
>>>>>>>> and looking up material and research, but no I cannot bring a
>>>>>>>> reader to the exam. Personally, I think this is a legal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> matter and they need to change the policy so you can have the
>>>>>>>> option
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> bring your own competent reader as an accomodation under the ADA.
>>>>>>>> Its not fair, not equal access, and can cause one to get a lower
>>>>>>>> grade using bad readers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Arielle Silverman
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 7:45 PM
>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can also ask the professor if the teaching assistant can
>>>>>>>> read/scribe your exam, if there is one for the class. Most
>>>>>>>> teaching assistants are graduate students or advanced
>>>>>>>> undergraduates in the department and should know the material
>>>>>>>> well, and since they're trusted employees of the professor, they
>>>>>>>> are trusted not to help you cheat. Plus, many TA's have nothing
>>>>>>>> else to do during an exam and would otherwise just be sitting
>>>>>>>> around. If the class has no teaching assistant, as in a
>>>>>>>> community college, maybe the professor could read it for you and
>>>>>>>> scribe your answers during office hours the day before the test or
> some such?
>>>>>>>> I know that blind students have hired their own readers for
>>>>>>>> testing, which allows them to pick people who are competent.
>>>>>>>> Some disability services offices frown on this practice because
>>>>>>>> they prefer to hire and manage readers themselves, but it's an
>>>>>>>> option that's at least worth discussing with your professor, who
>>>>>>>> might not
>>>> care much.
>>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/27/13, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I haven't used readers since I am a partial and use cctv but
>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>> disabled students pay for a chemistry lab aid I insisted the
>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> chem major and an A student.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So maybe you could find your readers through the department.
>>>>>>>>> And then you interview them by having them read to you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Kirt
>>>>>>>>> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I'm in the middle of the nightmare that is transferring
>>>>>>>>>> between colleges, but the college I am leaving almost always
>>>>>>>>>> provided me with
>>>> competent
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> capable readers. Sure, they might pronounce a few words
>>>>>>>>>> incorrectly But they knew how to read out loud.  I hope I
>>>>>>>>>> don't run into the same problem you are dealing with right now
>>>>>>>>>> and my next college.
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2013, at 11:21 AM, "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>>>>>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As finals approach, I wanted to know what test accomodations
>>>>>>>>>>> you get.
>>>>>>>>>>> Do
>>>>>>>>>> you feel they are adaquate and meet your needs?
>>>>>>>>>>> If you need a reader and person to scribe your answers on a
>>>>>>>>>>> scantron,
>>>>>>>>>> how are they? Are they competent readers?
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going through a discriminatory situation now. Most my
>>>>>>>>>>> readers were
>>>>>>>>>> incompetent but I got around that by asking them to speak
>>>>>>>>>> slower and repeat things; I mean they could not speak all that
>>>>>>>>>> clearly and read fast
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> spoke to the paper not articulately to me. Many exams I took
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>> jaws
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> avoid this; I feel this way is slower for me and a reader can
>>>>> directly
>>>>>>>>>> mark
>>>>>>>>>> my answers on a scantron as well as go back to questions I missed.
>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> need a reader scribe I should be given a competent reader.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll tell more about this specific test issue in another message.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Look forward to seeing your responses.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ashley
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