[nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments

[Dan Burke]

It sounds like your state is in Order of Selection.  Do you know if that is what they are calling it?  What state do you live in?

As for buying it yourself, it is easy to understand the frustration of ineffective systems.

Best,
Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie P.
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 2:01 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments

Well I just got through talking with VR, and it would appear that they are
out of the question as a resource for me. I've been on a waiting list since
January when I first applied for services, and apparently the status of my
case hasn't changed. They claim to have more recent applicants than money
to assist them with, and everyone who applied after a certain date is now
waiting indefinitely. They say they can't give an estimate of when they
will have enough funding for new clients... I have yet to speak extensively
about this with my school, but intend to do so this week and figure out
where to go from here. Honestly, I think I'm to a point where I'd sooner
buy it myself than fight terribly hard on the matter, but I'm at least
going to give it a try...


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Dan Burke <dburke at cocenter.org> wrote:

> You should pursue both the school and VR.
>
> Your school has an obligation to make your labs accessible, and this is an
> excellent way to do so, especially since you will likely take a number of
> different  science labs.  Also, the product is built on a widely used
> commercial product, the lab quest, and your school may already be using
> them.  Thus, they would already have the appropriate probes available for
> labs.
>
> On the other hand, VR could definitely buy this because it is a necessary
> piece of equipment for your training program.  Besides, you would
> conceivably be able to use it in employment, depending on the kind of work
> you go into.
>
> Now you face the classic student conundrum - the school should do it as
> part of their obligations under the ADA and Section 504, and the VR rules
> say that such reasonable accommodations should be counted as comparable
> benefits.  Regs for the school under Section 504 say that the school can
> definitely go to Vr to assist with or share costs on some reasonable
> accommodations.  If the school doesn't do it they may be violating your
> rights, but then VR  should definitely still be held responsible.
>
> You should explore both avenues openly.  Find out if your school's labs
> use the non-talking lab quest and probes for starters.  But think about
> whether it is something that you personally will want and need to use in
> the long term. That will make it easier to justify with VR if you go that
> direction.
>
> Ultimately, you will have some research and negotiations ahead of you.
>
> Good luck!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie P.
> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 3:20 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments
>
> The issue is that it is. I'm paying my tuition out of pocket, and not even
> getting in-state rates yet. My savings will run dry long before I finish my
> degree, and even while on sale, it's a lot of money that I will likely need
> to borrow and repay over time... so there are a lot of cost-benefit
> calculations involved.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu
> >wrote:
>
> > If it's not going to break your bank, buy it!
> > Blessings, Joshua
> > ________________________________________
> > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jamie P. [
> > blackbyrdfly at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 1:49 AM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments
> >
> > I'm an Engineering major with a long list of Chemistry and Physics
> courses
> > ahead of me. When I saw thte sale flyer for this device on Facebook
> today,
> > I was ready to jump on it, especially since I discovered the product
> about
> > a year ago and had a feeling it would be just what I need in the coming
> > semesters. However, someone in my household told me that instead of
> buying
> > it myself, I should be encouraging my school or voc. rehab agency to do
> so,
> > so it would be available for other students, and so I can be sure it is
> the
> > best solution for me before spending the money. I'm still on the fence
> > about what to do and would love to hear other students' input. The sale
> > right now cuts the price down to 1/3 of retail price, which is pretty
> > incredible, and I'd hate to miss the opportunity...
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jamie
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I would push my school to buy it even for one class. It would then be
> > > available to all blind/VI students. I do not trust classmates as not
> > > everyone cares about getting A's. When I use a lab aid I will only use
> > > someone who is majoring in the subject and has completed that course. I
> > > want to be sure the info I am receiving is 100% accurate.
> > >
> > > Suzanne
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Ashley Bramlett
> > > <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'd only buy a device if I were very interested in science or a
> science
> > > > major or in a related field.
> > > > With just a course or two needed in science, you can use a lab
> > assistant
> > > > to describe the information to you.
> > > > Just saying that if you buy it make sure the expense is justifiable.
> > > > Ashley
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message----- From: A Roth
> > > > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:27 PM
> > > > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > > > Subject: [nabs-l] Access to Lab Experiments
> > > >
> > > > Hello students,
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone heard of a product called the Talking Lab Quest by
> > > Independence
> > > > Science? I was given a flier by a colleague who attended the ISTE
> > > > Conference. It says that the device improves access to science lab
> > > > experiments. I'm interested in buying one (and it is on sale) if
> > someone
> > > > out there has one and can give me more info. Here is the link I
> found:
> > > > http://specialoffer.**independencescience.com/<
> > > http://specialoffer.independencescience.com/>
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone used this in class or otherwise?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Alan
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