[nabs-l] Students with guide dogs

christopher nusbaum dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Sat Aug 31 19:48:56 UTC 2013 

I agree. This is why many guide dog training facilities will consider
you eligible to get a guide dog only if you can demonstrate that you
are a proficient cane traveler. However, I think it is important that
we not make blanket statements like "always use a cane in social
settings." This is a matter of personal preference, as are many other
facets of life in general.

Chris Nusbaum

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On Aug 31, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu> wrote:

> Yes, but we must encourage one another to use our canes as well, because what if something happens to the dog?
> We still need to be good cane travelers, in the event of something happening to the dog.
> For your information, I'm a cane user, but am looking into getting a poodle, because guide dogs will help me get to places allot quicker, but I'll also have my cane with me, whenever the dog wants to rest.
> Blessings, Joshua
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:39 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>
> Does the individual guide dog user not have a choice in how much to
> work their dog? Even the Federation "traditionalists" believed, as
> Federationists still do today, in the right of individual blind people
> to make their own decisions without any person or organization (NFB
> included) telling them what to do.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 31, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu> wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't want my friendship with the individual with the dog to be hendered, because of their dog!
>> You can't have a conversation with that person from across the room!
>> Basicly, if you're in a social setting with other students, use a cane, to prevent any problems.
>> That's how the traditionalists in the NFB thought!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Littlefield, Tyler [tyler at tysdomain.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:27 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>>
>> What exactly does using a cane have to do with this? How much you work
>> your dog is up to the person--where did you become an expert on how much
>> one should work a dog? Also, there are dogs that are easier for people
>> with alergies (poodles are a good example) because they do not shed. I'm
>> not for getting rid of all other breeds for poodles, nor should you have
>> to. It comes down to this: if there is an alergic reaction to dogs,
>> someone can say something or move--it's that easy. Dogs who do not
>> stimulate alergic reactions are not really an option.
>> On 8/31/2013 3:11 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>> I agree.
>>> I'm not against service animals, as long as they're hypoallerginic, or else well taken care of.
>>> This should never replace use of a cane every now and then, because I've seen dogs overworked by their owners, because said owners prefer not to use a cane.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:06 PM
>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>>>
>>> I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly.  I see what you mean; I may
>>> have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is
>>> good.  Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks
>>> themselves.  It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service
>>> animal in public places.  Your point is well received Joshua.  Most fo the
>>> well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed
>>> over much due to proper grooming.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>>>
>>> Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know!
>>> This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses!
>>> What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds!
>>> Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you
>>> get the point!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams
>>> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM
>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>>>
>>> It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a
>>> few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise.
>>> While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the
>>> DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and
>>> talked to a guide dog user regularly.  The only hitch I remember regarding
>>> the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office.
>>>
>>> Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information
>>> so long as you're just eating there.  If you were working as Julie said
>>> things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and
>>> the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise
>>> getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern.
>>> To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense.
>>>
>>> On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Minh,
>>>>
>>>> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus
>>>> all four years.  I never had to provide disability services with any
>>>> information.  I was in the dining hall and other food service areas
>>>> frequently, and no one ever had a problem.  If you were to work in one
>>>> of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions,
>>>> but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry.
>>>>
>>>> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any
>>>> information on my dog.  So you can certainly tell this person that not
>>>> "all" universities require this information.  This isn't even a reason
>>>> for the information anyway.  You should also point out that under the
>>>> ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you.
>>>>
>>>> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many
>>>> universities about the questions they can ask of students with service
>>>> dogs.  Perhaps this is a result of that.
>>>>
>>>> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university
>>>>> with my guide  dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know
>>>>> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into
>>>>> the student union  to get meals though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved
>>>>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I
>>>>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they
>>>>>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS
>>>>>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her
>>>>>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the
>>>>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two
>>>>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a
>>>>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied
>>>>>> that every university requires this information of their students
>>>>>> with service animals in case dining services need this information.
>>>>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out
>>>>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do
>>>>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as
>>>>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is
>>>>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the
>>> requirements are different.
>>>>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Minh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the
>>>>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was
>>> vanity:
>>>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>>>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>>>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> Julie McG
>>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National
>>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri
>>>> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the
>>>> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only
>>>> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have
>>>> eternal life."
>>>> John 3:16
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>> Ty
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>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave.
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