[nabs-l] Students with guide dogs

Sat Aug 31 20:09:04 UTC 2013

That is the individuals choice.  You don't get a dog just to not carry them
around other people.  Some people are more comfortable using a dog, so tthey
should.

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From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:34 PM
To: tyler at tysdomain.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs

I wouldn't want my friendship with the individual with the dog to be
hendered, because of their dog!
You can't have a conversation with that person from across the room!
Basicly, if you're in a social setting with other students, use a cane, to
prevent any problems.
That's how the traditionalists in the NFB thought!
Blessings, Joshua
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From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Littlefield, Tyler
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Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:27 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs

What exactly does using a cane have to do with this? How much you work your
dog is up to the person--where did you become an expert on how much one
should work a dog? Also, there are dogs that are easier for people with
alergies (poodles are a good example) because they do not shed. I'm not for
getting rid of all other breeds for poodles, nor should you have to. It
comes down to this: if there is an alergic reaction to dogs, someone can say
something or move--it's that easy. Dogs who do not stimulate alergic
reactions are not really an option.
On 8/31/2013 3:11 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
> I agree.
> I'm not against service animals, as long as they're hypoallerginic, or
else well taken care of.
> This should never replace use of a cane every now and then, because I've
seen dogs overworked by their owners, because said owners prefer not to use
a cane.
> Blessings, Joshua
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams 
> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:06 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>
> I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly.  I see what you mean; 
> I may have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the 
> grooming is good.  Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are 
> health risks themselves.  It is also illegal to not allow the student 
> to carry a service animal in public places.  Your point is well 
> received Joshua.  Most fo the well taken of guide dogs that I have 
> seen did not smell, and did not shed over much due to proper grooming.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Lester
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>
> Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know!
> This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and
horses!
> What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds!
> Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, 
> but you get the point!
> Blessings, Joshua
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams 
> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>
> It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti 
> Shelton
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>
> Hi,
>
> While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have 
> seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise.
> While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and 
> the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any 
> problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly.  The only hitch I 
> remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with
the DS office.
>
> Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this 
> information so long as you're just eating there.  If you were working 
> as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just going to 
> get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing other 
> people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see how this
would be a true health concern.
> To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense.
>
> On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Minh,
>>
>> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus 
>> all four years.  I never had to provide disability services with any 
>> information.  I was in the dining hall and other food service areas 
>> frequently, and no one ever had a problem.  If you were to work in 
>> one of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these 
>> questions, but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry.
>>
>> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any 
>> information on my dog.  So you can certainly tell this person that 
>> not "all" universities require this information.  This isn't even a 
>> reason for the information anyway.  You should also point out that 
>> under the ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you.
>>
>> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many 
>> universities about the questions they can ask of students with 
>> service dogs.  Perhaps this is a result of that.
>>
>> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the 
>>> university with my guide  dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I 
>>> don't know what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I 
>>> took her into the student union  to get meals though.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved 
>>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I 
>>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions 
>>>> they can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my 
>>>> DS office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on 
>>>> her vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the 
>>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two 
>>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a 
>>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean 
>>>> replied that every university requires this information of their 
>>>> students with service animals in case dining services need this
information.
>>>>  From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out 
>>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do 
>>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as 
>>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is 
>>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the
> requirements are different.
>>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Minh
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the 
>>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was
> vanity:
>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on 
>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
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>> --
>> Julie McG
>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National 
>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri 
>> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the 
>> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only 
>> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have 
>> eternal life."
>> John 3:16
>>
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