[nabs-l] Some Questions About Attending College

Mon Dec 23 13:52:41 UTC 2013

Hello Helga,
My name is Sandra Gayer. I'm a Soprano Singer and I teach Braille
Music and Voice. I use a Cano Lied 210 which takes from 7 to 10
seconds per page. (That includes the scan and the gap between scans).

Have a wonderful Christmas!
Sandra.

On 12/23/13, Helga Schreiber <helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Misty, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, do you know where I could
>
> buy or borrow  this scanner that scans pages of abook quickly? Also, do I
> have to cut the binding off my books in order to scan them in Open Book?
> Just curious! Also, I just wanted to ask you, What would happen if your book
>
> has a lot of pictures, specially more in one chapter than others? What would
>
> you do regarding that? Just wondering. I actually talked to my Biollogy
> Professor in order to get ready for his class that I'm going to be taking
> next semester, and he told me that one chapter has a lot of pictures than
> others. And they are actually assign chapters that we need to read in order
>
> to accomplish quizzes, homeworks assignments, and tests. I will really
> appreciate it, if you could give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks
>
> and God bless!
> P.S. By the way, what College do you attend, and what State do you live in?
>
> Just curious! And also do you remember the college name where you went to
> visit in order to help you with your book? just curious! You don't have to
> answer if you don't want to ok? Thanks again! ;)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Misty Dawn Bradley
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 1:09 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions About Attending College
>
> Hi Helga,
> I have scanned books on my own, especially when I was in high school and my
> first semester of college, but it is rather time-consuming. I have not
> found
> a way to do more than one page at one time, but I did visit a college
> campus
> who had a good DS office, and they had a very nice scanner that fed the
> pages and could scan a book in around 45 minutes. I always wanted a scanner
> like that, but they cost a lot from what the DS office there told me. The
> only thing I didn't like about it was that they had to cut the binding off
> the book so the scanner could feed pages through quickly, since it was not
> a
> scanner that had the glass top where you have to place and hold the book.
> It
> looked more like a copier that fed pages in and then sent them back out
> again after scanning them.
> I think that if you are going to scan the books yourself, it is good to
> have
> a scanner that scans quickly. I used to have an HP scanner in the past that
> scanned well but was very slow, and it took so long to scan the book. I now
> have a scanner that scans within a few seconds, so I found that it was
> helpful, because it scanned each page more quickly than the other scanner
> did. Also, I used to scan each chapter as I got to it in the class or right
> before when I knew it was coming up. This was easier for me, because I
> didn't have to do the book all at once, so I would just go chapter by
> chapter. Also, if the professor decided to skip a chapter at the last
> minute, I would not have put in the extra work just to find out that we
> would not have to read the chapter. I would also place a sticky note or
> index card or even a folded up sheet of paper in the book where I left off
> so that I would know where I stopped scanning and could turn back to it
> quickly. I have even folded down the corner of the page at the spot where I
> left off at times. As for knowing which way the book was facing, I would
> open the book and scan the first few pages of it and then go back and read
> them, and if they were the title pages and table of contents like would
> normally be found at the beginning of a book, I would know that I had the
> book open from the front. If it looked like a glosary or appendices or
> things that would ordinarily be in the back of a book, I would figure out
> that I was scanning from the back, and I would know to turn the book over
> to
> the front side. Once you know which side is the front, you can mark it with
> a sticky note or dot or something that you can mark it with to know that it
> is the front from then on. You could also have a sighted classmate or
> someone you know to find the first page for you that you would need, such
> as
> page 1 of chapter one, and have them show you which way the book should be
> facing so you can mark it.
> As far as OpenBook, it is actually an OCR program, so it can convert the
> scanned image into text that can be read instead of it being a picture or
> graphic.
> Hth,
> Misty
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Helga Schreiber
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 12:46 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions About Attending College
>
> Hi Misty,this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, do you think I should
> scan
> my books by myself since I have own open book, and even though I'm totally
> blind? Also, does OCR is included with Open book? Just curious! Also, how
> can I scan books in Open book without doing it a page at a time? Would it
> be
> a way to do it faster with Open book? Just curious! I will really
> appreciate
> it, if you could give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks and God
> bless! :)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 23, 2013, at 12:30 AM, "Misty Dawn Bradley"
>> <mistydbradley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Helga,
>> It sounds like the DS office scanned the book in as a graphic rather than
>>
>> as text. In order to scan something into text, they have to use optical
>> character recognition (OCR) software, such as ABBYY Fine Reader, Kurzweil,
>>
>> OpenBook, or ReadIris. I wonder if you can bring this up to them and tell
>>
>> them that you need it scanned into text and not a graphic? It surprises me
>>
>> that many DS offices are not knowledgable about putting things into
>> accessible format and scanning properly, etc. They should be able to scan
>>
>> it with OCR, and this should correct the problem of the Microsoft Word
>> document coming up as a picture, because scanning it as OCR using an OCR
>> program will scan it and turn it into editable text that can be read by
>> JAWS and will not be a picture.
>> I hope this helps,
>> Misty
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Helga Schreiber
>> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 12:20 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions About Attending College
>>
>> Hi Ashley, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, how do I do that? I
>> actually have an open book, but it's open book 8. Actually, I happen to
>> have
>> Open book 9, but I haven't the chance to install it on my laptop yet. Do
>> I
>> use Open book to scan my books? Just to let you know, my books have
>> pictures, and how would I know if I'm scanning my books right, since I'm
>> actually totally blind? Just curius! What would you do in this case? In
>> fact, I told my DSS adviser that I would like to have my books in Word
>> format, and she actually gave me my Literature book in Microsoft word
>> format, but JAWS didn't read it, due to the fact that it was a picture.
>> This
>> is actually what  somebody told me when he saw the file. So in the end,
>> my
>> DSS adviser ended up giving me the book in PDF format. And as you know, I
>> really don't like PDF because the words are attached together and it's
>> very
>> messy! And also I don't like PDF because whenever it comes to be a
>> picture
>> or some kind of image, JAWS always says graphic, and it's so hard to pass
>> through it, and I actually get borred in trying reading the book. I don't
>> know what to do about this situations. Sometimes I really get frustrated
>> about them! That is why I would Like to have my books in Braille! My DSS
>> office is not as large as others, but my adviser doesn't really coperate
>> with me at all. Just to let you know, my first language is not English,
>> and
>> sometimes listening to books in audio is not great sometimes, since I
>> don't
>> know how the words are spell out. That is why I would like to have my
>> book
>> in Braille in order to follow along with the audio book. But not all the
>> book only the chapters assign! Actually, my college has an Braille
>> Embosser.
>> And when I ask my adviser to print my book in Braille, but only the
>> assign
>> chapters of the book, she tells me that the will cost a lot of money!
>> Thanks
>> for listening to me! God bless! :)
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett
>> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 11:41 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions About Attending College
>>
>> Helga,
>> Then scan them yourself or pay someone to do it.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Helga Schreiber
>> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 7:23 PM
>> To: louvins at gmail.com ; National Association of BlindStudents mailing
>> list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions About Attending College
>>
>> Hey Joshua, this is Helga. What would happen if my DSS office don't have
>> a
>>
>> Senta machine to scan my books? But I would like to have them scan! What
>> should do about it? I really hate my books in PDF format. I'll really
>> appreciate it, if you could give me some suggestions. Thanks and God
>> bless!!
>> :-) from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 21, 2013, at 2:58 PM, "Joshua Hendrickson" <louvins at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Lizzy.  What I used to do, was purchase my textbook from the
>>> college bookstore, and give the book and receipt to my disability
>>> support office.  The receipt was to show proof of purchase.  Then my
>>> disability support office would scan the book or books I needed using
>>> kurzweil.  Then I would get the book on cd in mp3 format.  I know now
>>> my DS office uses dolphin reader and can put the books in daisy
>>> format.  I wouldn't be charged anything to have my DS office scan the
>>> books I needed.  At least for me, my textbooks were scanned and
>>> proofed very well.  Good luck.  I would also agree that if you're
>>> looking for a notetaker for college the braille-sense u2 would be your
>>> best bet.  I'm going to see if my REHAB office will get me one.
>>>
>>>> On 12/21/13, lizzy <lizzym0827 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I just have a few more questions about text books to add to the
>>>> discussion.  I know some of you said that your office of
>>>> disabilities will scan them for you, but what have others done?
>>>> Do you (personally) have to pay the person in disabilities scan
>>>> for you or did they hire someone specifically to do this? Does
>>>> anyone scan the books themselves using Kurzwhile? Is there a
>>>> machine that can get the job done on its own? Is it usually a
>>>> hassle to get the PDF versions of textbooks from publishers?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Lizzy
>>>>
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