[nabs-l] Can't believe this about braille

Sat Feb 2 16:11:01 UTC 2013

Hi,
Yes they do exist! I've seen a lot. For instance older elevators  have only 
print; same with restroom signs.
Being totally blind, you may not have noticed them. But I've found  raised 
print signs next to bathroom doors.
So if you are near a public bathroom, check and you might encounter that 
with your hand.
Signs are typically darker with a different color lettering; Its white on 
black or black on white if I'm lucky.
So I  notice them with my vision and can feel the raised print as well if I 
don't know what it says.
Another benefit to feeling raised print is you can sometimes identify credit 
cards or store discount cards based on their raised print.
I've been gambling with my family and I find that the cards sometimes feel 
different for different hotels which is nice.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sophie Trist
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:19 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Can't believe this about braille

Do such signs exist? I've never seen them.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jedi Moerke <loneblindjedi at samobile.net
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 18:59:40 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Can't believe this about braille

Learning to read raised print is a helpful skill. You can use
this skill to read signs that are in tactile print but not
braille.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:58 PM, Sophie Trist
<sweetpeareader at gmail.com> wrote:

Ari, for one, I am so sorry I didn't know you don't live in the
U.S. Also, I didn't know blind people could learn print. I mean,
I can sign my name, but other than that, I do not know any print
letters and have no desire or need to learn them. Don't feel bad
because you don't know print. As long as you know braille you
should be good.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ari Damoulakis <aridamoulakis at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 17:41:20 +0200
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Can't believe this about braille

Hi Sophie and Carly
Its not a rant Sophie, its absolutely true. I have seen at uni
for
example, there was a person who never learned braille. He does
use
jaws at uni, but he can't spell properly because when you use
audio
you obviously aren't learning individual lettres. It isn't just
that,
but because I learned braille from young, what I love is that
even now
when I'm writing, I don't know how to explain, but I visualise
what
I'm typing in braille, which I really like. If a blind person
doesn't
learn braille and just works on audio, how do they imagine what
an
alphabet looks like. For them, when they type an l, do they then
just
somehow think of it as this sound, that is obviously assuming
they
haven't learned the shapes of the lettres in sighted or some
other
way. For me unfortunately, I must confess that since I never use
sighted writing much I'm always forgetting what many lettres and
numbers look like. The only ones I obviously don't forget are
for
example things I use in daily life like to sign my name, but the
rest,
even though I've learned them and felt their shapes, I just do
forget.
But I can't actually understand, if it is true that blind people
in
the US from birth now aren't even learning braille, how does the
teacher even start teaching them how to read and write, how
lettres
fit together to make words, or for those people are lettres just
sort
of abstract sounds?
Ari

On 2/1/13, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com> wrote:
Ari, you know you can get braille books for free from your state
library for the blind (well, at least I know Louisiana has one)
or from the national library in Utah. That's where I got all my
braille books before I sarted using my braillenote. While I'll
say that electronic reading is a lot more convenient (braille
books are so heavy and clunky) I do appreciate braille. Because
electronics can break. I think that's what a lot of people don't
realize. And if electronics break and you don't know as a
backup,
you're in deep trouble. Audio is no excuse for not learning
braille. My personal belief is that just as all sighted kids
must
learn print, all of usmust learn braille. Sorry for the long
rant, but the bottom line is, I agree with you, Ari. If a print
book only costs $20-30, braille shouldn't cost that much more.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ari Damoulakis <aridamoulakis at gmail.com
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:47:47 +0200
Subject: [nabs-l] Can't believe this about braille

Hi everyone
I've just seen something that makes me feel quite appalled and
sad. I
can't believe how much you guys have to pay simply to get or
have
a
book in braille? I know that now many people use electronic and
audio,
and from what I hear many people don't even learn braille, but I
actually really love braille, I love reading actual braille, and
not
just electronic (one line at a time I just can't stand), but
paper. I
love to hold a propper braille book, page through it, feel it
and
read
it, especially for example if it is a book for learning a
language or
even a textbook. I know you can listen to your work with jaws
etc, but
I often just love actually reading. For me braille is such a
lovely
thing!
Anyway why I am writing is because I find it terrible how much
you
guys are paying for braille books, its incredibly sad. I was
looking
on the internet for whether there are braille books available to
help
me learn some French, and I couldn't believe the prices you guys
have
to pay, I saw for example on APH web site a book for 300 or 400
dollars just for the book. I had actually heard of this before,
a
friend of mine wanted to find some braille maths books and he
couldn't
believe it was nearly 700 dollars, but I put it down to the fact
that
maybe it was just because maths is more difficult to do in
braille.
But when I saw this I couldn't believe it, even for just normal
books
you guys have to actually pay such high prices? I know you have
to
maybe pay transcribers and things, but I can't understand why
these
organisations can't get electronic files or just scan and print
the
books? I'm not talking about complex things like maths that I
don't
know if you can scan things like that, but normal books? Here
even if
I give a book in to get transcribed, OK it sometimes takes about
6
months or even a year, but I never have to pay such incredible
prices
like what you guys are, and if I'm lucky enough to find an
electronic
version it costs even less. Frankly, I find it really sad and
tragic
and I think I can now understand why many people there just
aren't
bothering to learn how to read braille, because what is the
point
if
you are having to pay such high prices for books? I know you
guys
have
a great library but what happens if there are books you really
want in
braille or would just like to have brailled? If these are the
prices
that you are having to pay just for the pleasure of being able
to
read
1 book in braille this is just so terrible!
Ari

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