[nabs-l] Can't believe this about braille

Sat Feb 2 16:21:19 UTC 2013

was only very resentley  that the disability building that I live in, got brailled elevators. I had to do a lot of talking to the main office. I was in their office almost everyday, I even called the NFB to help me. I have some vission, but it is very unreliable, in reading numbers or any print on sertin backrounds. And we have a few blind people who r total. So I wanted things to be easier, for them, and or new blind tenants, and or blind visiters. 

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On Feb 2, 2013, at 11:11, "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hi,
> Yes they do exist! I've seen a lot. For instance older elevators  have only print; same with restroom signs.
> Being totally blind, you may not have noticed them. But I've found  raised print signs next to bathroom doors.
> So if you are near a public bathroom, check and you might encounter that with your hand.
> Signs are typically darker with a different color lettering; Its white on black or black on white if I'm lucky.
> So I  notice them with my vision and can feel the raised print as well if I don't know what it says.
> Another benefit to feeling raised print is you can sometimes identify credit cards or store discount cards based on their raised print.
> I've been gambling with my family and I find that the cards sometimes feel different for different hotels which is nice.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:19 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Can't believe this about braille
> 
> Do such signs exist? I've never seen them.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jedi Moerke <loneblindjedi at samobile.net
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 18:59:40 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Can't believe this about braille
> 
> Learning to read raised print is a helpful skill. You can use
> this skill to read signs that are in tactile print but not
> braille.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:58 PM, Sophie Trist
> <sweetpeareader at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ari, for one, I am so sorry I didn't know you don't live in the
> U.S. Also, I didn't know blind people could learn print. I mean,
> I can sign my name, but other than that, I do not know any print
> letters and have no desire or need to learn them. Don't feel bad
> because you don't know print. As long as you know braille you
> should be good.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ari Damoulakis <aridamoulakis at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 17:41:20 +0200
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Can't believe this about braille
> 
> Hi Sophie and Carly
> Its not a rant Sophie, its absolutely true. I have seen at uni
> for
> example, there was a person who never learned braille. He does
> use
> jaws at uni, but he can't spell properly because when you use
> audio
> you obviously aren't learning individual lettres. It isn't just
> that,
> but because I learned braille from young, what I love is that
> even now
> when I'm writing, I don't know how to explain, but I visualise
> what
> I'm typing in braille, which I really like. If a blind person
> doesn't
> learn braille and just works on audio, how do they imagine what
> an
> alphabet looks like. For them, when they type an l, do they then
> just
> somehow think of it as this sound, that is obviously assuming
> they
> haven't learned the shapes of the lettres in sighted or some
> other
> way. For me unfortunately, I must confess that since I never use
> sighted writing much I'm always forgetting what many lettres and
> numbers look like. The only ones I obviously don't forget are
> for
> example things I use in daily life like to sign my name, but the
> rest,
> even though I've learned them and felt their shapes, I just do
> forget.
> But I can't actually understand, if it is true that blind people
> in
> the US from birth now aren't even learning braille, how does the
> teacher even start teaching them how to read and write, how
> lettres
> fit together to make words, or for those people are lettres just
> sort
> of abstract sounds?
> Ari
> 
> On 2/1/13, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ari, you know you can get braille books for free from your state
> library for the blind (well, at least I know Louisiana has one)
> or from the national library in Utah. That's where I got all my
> braille books before I sarted using my braillenote. While I'll
> say that electronic reading is a lot more convenient (braille
> books are so heavy and clunky) I do appreciate braille. Because
> electronics can break. I think that's what a lot of people don't
> realize. And if electronics break and you don't know as a
> backup,
> you're in deep trouble. Audio is no excuse for not learning
> braille. My personal belief is that just as all sighted kids
> must
> learn print, all of usmust learn braille. Sorry for the long
> rant, but the bottom line is, I agree with you, Ari. If a print
> book only costs $20-30, braille shouldn't cost that much more.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ari Damoulakis <aridamoulakis at gmail.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:47:47 +0200
> Subject: [nabs-l] Can't believe this about braille
> 
> Hi everyone
> I've just seen something that makes me feel quite appalled and
> sad. I
> can't believe how much you guys have to pay simply to get or
> have
> a
> book in braille? I know that now many people use electronic and
> audio,
> and from what I hear many people don't even learn braille, but I
> actually really love braille, I love reading actual braille, and
> not
> just electronic (one line at a time I just can't stand), but
> paper. I
> love to hold a propper braille book, page through it, feel it
> and
> read
> it, especially for example if it is a book for learning a
> language or
> even a textbook. I know you can listen to your work with jaws
> etc, but
> I often just love actually reading. For me braille is such a
> lovely
> thing!
> Anyway why I am writing is because I find it terrible how much
> you
> guys are paying for braille books, its incredibly sad. I was
> looking
> on the internet for whether there are braille books available to
> help
> me learn some French, and I couldn't believe the prices you guys
> have
> to pay, I saw for example on APH web site a book for 300 or 400
> dollars just for the book. I had actually heard of this before,
> a
> friend of mine wanted to find some braille maths books and he
> couldn't
> believe it was nearly 700 dollars, but I put it down to the fact
> that
> maybe it was just because maths is more difficult to do in
> braille.
> But when I saw this I couldn't believe it, even for just normal
> books
> you guys have to actually pay such high prices? I know you have
> to
> maybe pay transcribers and things, but I can't understand why
> these
> organisations can't get electronic files or just scan and print
> the
> books? I'm not talking about complex things like maths that I
> don't
> know if you can scan things like that, but normal books? Here
> even if
> I give a book in to get transcribed, OK it sometimes takes about
> 6
> months or even a year, but I never have to pay such incredible
> prices
> like what you guys are, and if I'm lucky enough to find an
> electronic
> version it costs even less. Frankly, I find it really sad and
> tragic
> and I think I can now understand why many people there just
> aren't
> bothering to learn how to read braille, because what is the
> point
> if
> you are having to pay such high prices for books? I know you
> guys
> have
> a great library but what happens if there are books you really
> want in
> braille or would just like to have brailled? If these are the
> prices
> that you are having to pay just for the pleasure of being able
> to
> read
> 1 book in braille this is just so terrible!
> Ari
> 
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