[nabs-l] in class writing

Sat Jan 12 02:42:00 UTC 2013

true, I shall give people the benefit of the doubt, but for the moment I am totally with you on that.

mauricio
On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mauricio,
>  I can't see an acceptable reason.  That doesn't mean that,
> hypothetically, there isn't one.  I just can't fathom how this is
> fair, but maybe there's something I'm missing.
>  Best,
> Kirt
> 
> On 1/11/13, Mauricio Almeida <mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com> wrote:
>> true.
>> I am against any alternative which give us unfair advantages, and this would
>> absolutely be one of these cases.
>> given all the points we made, there is no acceptable reason one would do
>> that.
>> 
>> mauricio
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Kirt,
>>> 
>>> I have to agree with you there.  I could see it being justifyable if
>>> there were no other alternative, but the whole point of the time limit
>>> is to spark critical thinking and let the teacher know whether or not
>>> you really know the material well enough that you can recite it back
>>> or readily expound upon it with your own logic.  I would actually be
>>> fearful of trying to do something like that out of class without the
>>> same time limit and professor supervision as everyone else because
>>> then the professor would have every right to consider that I checked
>>> either my notes, textbook, or the internet before writing something
>>> down.  That's an issue I would rather avoid completely.
>>> 
>>> What I've also found at my university, where for most of my professors
>>> I'm the first blind student they've come into contact with, the more
>>> you can do just like your sighted peers the better their impression is
>>> of you.  It may sound kind of silly, but I think it's true; one of my
>>> professors said last semester that she had no idea blind students
>>> could be so independent in their classwork because she assumed that I
>>> would actually need or frequently use all the accomodations I have
>>> been approved for.  This not only makes them good allies for you tou
>>> in cases where you need letters or recommendation or something, but it
>>> also helps pave the way for future blind students they might teach
>>> because they'll know to treat them like any other student and hold
>>> them to the same standards.
>>> 
>>> Sorry for my ranting blurb at the end.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1/11/13, Kirt <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Ashley and Carly,
>>>> I am slightly curious how you justify doing work that everyone else does
>>>> during their class time at home, especially since you seem to have
>>>> alternative methods available to do the work at the same time as
>>>> everybody
>>>> else? In my mind, these writing assignments are given precisely because
>>>> class time is short, and professors want to test how well you can write
>>>> under pressure, with a limited amount of time and a prompt you may not
>>>> have
>>>> had the chance to think about before hand. To me, doing that kind of work
>>>> at
>>>> home, well you have all ready learned what the prompt is in class, is
>>>> definitely an unfair advantage over your classmates. If I am wrong, I
>>>> apologize. Please enlighten me.
>>>> Warmest regards,
>>>> Kirt
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Carley,
>>>>> I do the same as you usually.
>>>>> I take note of the class assignment and do it at home on my trusted
>>>>> desktop.
>>>>> If the professor is proactive, he or she will email me the topic before
>>>>> class so I can bring the assignment to class.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Fortunately, all professors seem fine with me emailing them as long as
>>>>> I
>>>>> email it them soon after class.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 12:38 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National
>>>>> Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] in class writing
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good morning, Aleeha, Ashley and other interesteds,
>>>>> 
>>>>> As far as in-class writings go, what seems to work best for me is to
>>>>> take note of what is being required the class write on at the time,
>>>>> then going home and composing the material on my desktop before
>>>>> emailing it to instructor. That way, the same "in-class" effect is
>>>>> captured despite it happpening to not be composed in the physical,
>>>>> classroom. In testing situations however, of course I bring the
>>>>> notebook to one of those testing areas and write the test out.
>>>>>>   If you are concerned about the possibility of your laptop getting
>>>>>> stolen, here are a couple of things to consider.
>>>>>> 1. Most other students carry laptops, phones, and other electronic
>>>>>> devices with them to classes. I don't think that someone would
>>>>>> specifically target your laptop to steal, especially with many other
>>>>>> students and your professor also in the classroom.
>>>>>> 2. As others have said, you can get a flash drive, usually very low
>>>>>> cost, and put a doc or text file of your work on that drive in order
>>>>>> to exchange it with other students and/or your professor.
>>>>>> A good thing to keep in mind as well that some others have already
>>>>>> hinted at is to have a very open conversation with your professor
>>>>>> either before classes start or during the very first week of classes.
>>>>>> Ask what is to be expected from the class, the different possibilities
>>>>>> for in-class assignments, and the possible work-arounds for any
>>>>>> problems that you or your professor might forsee.
>>>>>> Aleeha
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 1/10/13, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> I want to make another plug for netbooks. They aren't much bigger
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> Braille Notes, so you can easily fit it in your backpack, and a
>>>>>>> netbook can do just about anything a laptop can. Plus it only costs
>>>>>>> about $300 and the built-in battery can last for up to six hours. I
>>>>>>> think it really is a good idea for any blind student to carry some
>>>>>>> kind of mainstream computing device to class, whether that is a
>>>>>>> laptop, netbook, or even an I-device so that you can easily
>>>>>>> communicate in writing with sighted professors and peers. Braille
>>>>>>> Notes are great and can be a wonderful supplement to a mainstream
>>>>>>> computing device, but the computing technology Braille Notes use is
>>>>>>> neither mainstream nor up-to-date.
>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 1/10/13, Deb Mendelsohn <deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Don't you have a laptop that you could email in class to the
>>>>>>>> professor?
>>>>>>>> Maybe RSA should get you one with JAWS on it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Deb
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Ashley Bramlett
>>>>>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Professors ask us students to do in-class writing sometimes.
>>>>>>>>> Typically
>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>> unannounced; its not like its on the syllabus but the professor
>>>>>>>>> knows
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> usually; I mean they know when they will assign in class writing.
>>>>>>>>> Students
>>>>>>>>> are given a certain  amount of time to write and then hand in the
>>>>>>>>> writing.
>>>>>>>>> They may share the writing with each other or the class as well.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> How do you handle in class writing assignments? Do you write them
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> notetaker or laptop you take to school? How do you hand it in since
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> not writing on paper? So far, I've usually written outside class
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> emailed the copy to the professor.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have good enough braille skills to read from my braille display
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> students, but I don't usually finish the writing.
>>>>>>>>> I wish there was a computer lab in every building. Then I could
>>>>>>>>> walk
>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>> there, type my writing prompt and then email it to the professor.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I look forward to ideas.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ashley
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