[nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 80, Issue 15

[Stephanie H. DeLuca]

Hi all,

I'm inclined to agree with Greg and Ashley.  I'm finishing my fifth year in
PhD studies, and I definitely find myself identifying more with young
professionals than say undergraduates or even early graduate students.
 Also, because a lot of people my age are actually working as young
professionals now and have "real" jobs (haha), I see the challenges that
they come across all the time.  I do think the challenges and needs and
concerns of people finishing up their terminal degree and starting their
new jobs/ careers are *quite* different than those of the majority of
people in NABS.  It's not that I have anything against NABS; I think it's
awesome.  However, I think there is a legitimate argument for a separate
division.

Perhaps what we could do is start it out as a committee / subdivision of
NABS to start.  Then, as time goes on and the section grows,hopefully, we
can look into making it a full division?  Another issue is that some NFB
members, especially older members who are just starting out in a job /
career may not join the Young Professionals section because it's a part of
NABS.

Some key points I think the Young Professionals division / committee /
section, whatever could address:

1. explore career options given your training
2.  Job searching, resume/CV writing, interview skills, etc.
3. contract negotiation once you get a job offer
4.  moving, transitioning to new location, making friends and having a life
when all you do is work
5. networking! i.e., LinkedIn
6. liaison between various NFB career divisions and EPS
7. living independently (many people will be moving out of dorms and living
on their own for the first time)
8. mentoring students who are going through what you went through before
9. making the most of your work environment, being assertive, getting the
things you need to be successful in your job
10. trying to advance in your job / career

I'm going to be at the National Convention... going to be there July 1-6.
 I'm not entirely sure of my availability yet since I still need to work
that out.  However, I'd love to get together with people and talk about
this.  If you are also interested, email me at sjhhirst at gmail.com



In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind.
    ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854


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>    1. Re: young professionals division? (Greg Aikens)
>    2. Re: young professionals division? (Kaiti Shelton)
>    3. Re: young professionals division? (Ashley Bramlett)
>    4. Re: office tasks (Kaiti Shelton)
>    5. Re: office tasks (justin williams)
>    6. Re: office tasks (Ashley Bramlett)
>    7. Re: office tasks (Kaiti Shelton)
>    8. Re: funding graduate school,      was:  young professionals
>       division? (Greg Aikens)
>    9. Re: funding graduate school,      was:  young professionals
>       division? (justin williams)
>   10. Re: office tasks (Rania Ismail LMT)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 00:22:42 -0400
> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
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> I would definitely think that graduate students fit under the "young
> professionals" umbrella.  Having completed two graduate degrees, it was my
> experience that the further you go in higher ed, the more like a career and
> the less like traditional school it is.
>
> I don't see any reason for real clear cut lines as to who fits into what
> group.  If you consider yourself a young professional, then participate in
> the young professional stuff.  If you aren't sure, connect with others who
> do identify themselves that way and see if you fit.
>
> -Greg
>
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi ,
> >
> > It sounds like there is lots of interest in organizing something for
> > young professionals, and several ways to go about it. I think a formal
> > division may not be necessary or appropriate, but a group may be. One
> > option is for young professionals to get together, form a group and
> > plan programming for national convention. Another option is for NABS
> > to appoint a committee for graduate students, young professionals and
> > non-traditional students, and have it chaired by a grad student/young
> > professional/nontrad (perhaps someone on the board, but wouldn't have
> > to be). This committee could then plan programming such as conference
> > calls, happy hours or other get-togethers just for "mature" students
> > and those who have recently graduated to network and discuss common
> > issues. I think NABS still has a high school committee and this would
> > be like the other side of that coin. It wouldn't detract from regular
> > NABS programming, but just develop some supplementary programming for
> > mature students. When I was NABS president I was open to the formation
> > of almost any committee as long as there was at least one individual
> > willing to head it up. I was approached by a few folks about starting
> > a nontrad committee, but it hasn't happened yet. If one or two
> > individuals are willing to take the lead on this, and the NABS board
> > would be comfortable with the idea of adding a NABS committee to focus
> > on the young professional/grad student/nontrad population, it could be
> > a great thing.
> >
> > Arielle
> >
> > On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> greg,
> >> I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests
> than
> >> students.
> >> Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing
> accomodations
> >>
> >> are just some issues that come to mind.
> >> So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than
> >> expanding nabs.
> >> Mentoring is a great idea  and the groups can work together on some
> stuff,
> >> but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and attract young
> >> professionals.
> >>
> >> I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I hope
> you
> >> gather and further discuss it.
> >>
> >> Ashley
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Greg Aikens
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM
> >> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> >> list
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
> >>
> >> I agree that young professionals have different challenges and interests
> >> than most of your student population.  That doesn't mean we can't still
> act
> >>
> >> as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think there is
> >> enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a separate group
> better
> >> for all involved.
> >>
> >> I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be necessary,
> but
> >>
> >> maybe so.  I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor one
> >> another.  I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older
> generations
> >>
> >> of NFBers who have worked together for decades.
> >>
> >> Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this year to
> >> brainstorm and talk about what this might look like?  I know convention
> time
> >>
> >> is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be better.
> >>
> >> I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep the
> >> conversation going.  Those of you who are interested and will be at
> >> convention, let's get together.
> >>
> >> -Greg
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" <jsoro620 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the
> scope
> >>> of
> >>> the organization that much broader than it already is, and two, NABS
> >>> still
> >>> has to get in the weeds of the philosophy fundamentals: training
> centers,
> >>> disability offices, the importance of self-advocacy, etc. When I think
> of
> >>>
> >>> a
> >>> professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like
> accessibility
> >>>
> >>> in
> >>> the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in similar
> >>> fields
> >>> such as federal employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy
> >>> professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still
> like
> >>> signing petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in
> >>> protest
> >>> to some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to
> be
> >>> clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to
> >>> meet
> >>> every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there needs
> >>> to
> >>> be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I get up at
> >>> 4:00
> >>> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less
> around
> >>> 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter meeting.
> >>> Yes,
> >>> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a
> >>> lot
> >>> more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens of
> >>> divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to most
> >>> divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people like me
> >>> not
> >>> want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to the national
> >>> convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does that leave
> >>> people
> >>> like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but being burned out on
> the
> >>> Federation does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway,
> >>> enough babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is
> because
> >>>
> >>> I
> >>> think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities.
> Maybe
> >>>
> >>> a
> >>> happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start.
> >>>
> >>> Joe
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif,
> >>> Zunaira
> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM
> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
> >>>
> >>> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to  include young professionals as
> >>> well
> >>> as students.  We can all be in the same division.  That way mentoring
> can
> >>> take place with ease.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg
> Aikens
> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM
> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
> >>>
> >>> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other
> young
> >>> professionals.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" <
> sjhhirst at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned
> >>>> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is
> >>>> this something people would be interested in?  Perhaps we can put it
> >>>> on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie
> >>>>
> >>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind.
> >>>>  ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854
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> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 00:25:11 -0400
> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
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> I think what Arielle is saying makes sense.  I also think that this
> group might also benefit from working with the employment committee as
> well, provided that that committee would be open to that too.  I
> definitely think young professionals would be great mentors to some of
> the younger NABS students, but I also think that it would be
> beneficial as well for them to be set up in a group that might draw
> the attention of some of the other professional divisions and
> committees.  E.G.  If someone from a professional division like the
> computer science, or human services was interested in mentoring a
> young professional or helping the group out, they would be able to
> mentor in that way and the mentoring would trickle down from division
> to division.  The young profs would be mentored by older profs who
> took interest in helping the next generation, (I think some might take
> time for that and see it as worthwhile even if they're busy and not
> the most active in their own division), and then those young profs
> could mentor for NABS.
>
> I know I still have a few years of my undergrad to go, but I'd be game
> for talking about this as well and seeing what could be done because I
> see merrit in it and think it would be beneficial.  If a meeting time
> is set up for a discussion I will do what I can to be there.
>
>
> On 6/14/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Separate division; but remember, I am a grad student and 34; how should I
> > be
> > included, or should I just simply not bother?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
> > Bramlett
> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:50 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
> >
> > greg,
> > I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests than
> > students.
> > Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing
> accomodations
> > are just some issues that come to mind.
> > So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than
> > expanding nabs.
> > Mentoring is a great idea  and the groups can work together on some
> stuff,
> > but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and attract young
> > professionals.
> >
> > I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I hope
> you
> > gather and further discuss it.
> >
> > Ashley
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Aikens
> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM
> > To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> > list
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
> >
> > I agree that young professionals have different challenges and interests
> > than most of your student population.  That doesn't mean we can't still
> act
> > as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think there is
> > enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a separate group
> better
> > for all involved.
> >
> > I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be necessary,
> but
> > maybe so.  I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor one
> > another.  I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older
> generations
> > of NFBers who have worked together for decades.
> >
> > Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this year to
> > brainstorm and talk about what this might look like?  I know convention
> > time
> > is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be better.
> >
> > I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep the
> > conversation going.  Those of you who are interested and will be at
> > convention, let's get together.
> >
> > -Greg
> >
> >
> > On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" <jsoro620 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the
> >> scope of the organization that much broader than it already is, and
> >> two, NABS still has to get in the weeds of the philosophy
> >> fundamentals: training centers, disability offices, the importance of
> >> self-advocacy, etc. When I think of a professional organization, I'm
> >> thinking concrete items like accessibility in the workplace, a measure
> >> of mentorship for people working in similar fields such as federal
> >> employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy professionals
> >> to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still like signing
> >> petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in protest to
> >> some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to be
> >> clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to
> >> meet every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there
> >> needs to be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I
> >> get up at
> >> 4:00
> >> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less
> >> around 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter
> > meeting.
> >> Yes,
> >> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a
> >> lot more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens
> >> of divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to
> >> most divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people
> >> like me not want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to
> >> the national convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does
> >> that leave people like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but
> >> being burned out on the Federation does not mean I think the
> >> organization is a bad one. Anyway, enough babble from me. If I express
> >> these sentiments at all, it is because I think NABS could be in the
> >> position to generate some possibilities. Maybe a happy hour for
> >> professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start.
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif,
> >> Zunaira
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM
> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
> >>
> >> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to  include young professionals
> >> as well as students.  We can all be in the same division.  That way
> >> mentoring can take place with ease.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg
> >> Aikens
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM
> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
> >>
> >> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other
> >> young professionals.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca"
> >> <sjhhirst at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned
> >>> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol
> >>> Is this something people would be interested in?  Perhaps we can put
> >>> it on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~
> >>> Stephanie
> >>>
> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind.
> >>>   ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 00:46:50 -0400
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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> Greg,
> wow, two degrees. I wonder how you can afford that. VR may pay for one
> degree, but not two.
> What did you study in grad and undergrad?
> I assume you're looking for work.
>
> Justin, Greg is right. If you identify as a young professional, then go to
> that group.
> Grad students are usually mature and studying something specific to their
> careers or have a full or part time job while in school.
> So, they are more like professionals given the seriousness and
> intensiveness
> of their school studies.
> Graduate school prepares you for a profession as well so this IMO fits into
> a young professionals group; after all, you cannot get to be that
> professional without good grades, a masters degree, and often times passing
> other licensing exams.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Aikens
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:22 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
>
> I would definitely think that graduate students fit under the "young
> professionals" umbrella.  Having completed two graduate degrees, it was my
> experience that the further you go in higher ed, the more like a career and
> the less like traditional school it is.
>
> I don't see any reason for real clear cut lines as to who fits into what
> group.  If you consider yourself a young professional, then participate in
> the young professional stuff.  If you aren't sure, connect with others who
> do identify themselves that way and see if you fit.
>
> -Greg
>
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi ,
> >
> > It sounds like there is lots of interest in organizing something for
> > young professionals, and several ways to go about it. I think a formal
> > division may not be necessary or appropriate, but a group may be. One
> > option is for young professionals to get together, form a group and
> > plan programming for national convention. Another option is for NABS
> > to appoint a committee for graduate students, young professionals and
> > non-traditional students, and have it chaired by a grad student/young
> > professional/nontrad (perhaps someone on the board, but wouldn't have
> > to be). This committee could then plan programming such as conference
> > calls, happy hours or other get-togethers just for "mature" students
> > and those who have recently graduated to network and discuss common
> > issues. I think NABS still has a high school committee and this would
> > be like the other side of that coin. It wouldn't detract from regular
> > NABS programming, but just develop some supplementary programming for
> > mature students. When I was NABS president I was open to the formation
> > of almost any committee as long as there was at least one individual
> > willing to head it up. I was approached by a few folks about starting
> > a nontrad committee, but it hasn't happened yet. If one or two
> > individuals are willing to take the lead on this, and the NABS board
> > would be comfortable with the idea of adding a NABS committee to focus
> > on the young professional/grad student/nontrad population, it could be
> > a great thing.
> >
> > Arielle
> >
> > On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> greg,
> >> I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests
> than
> >> students.
> >> Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing
> >> accomodations
> >>
> >> are just some issues that come to mind.
> >> So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than
> >> expanding nabs.
> >> Mentoring is a great idea  and the groups can work together on some
> >> stuff,
> >> but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and attract young
> >> professionals.
> >>
> >> I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I hope
> >> you
> >> gather and further discuss it.
> >>
> >> Ashley
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Greg Aikens
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM
> >> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> >> list
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
> >>
> >> I agree that young professionals have different challenges and interests
> >> than most of your student population.  That doesn't mean we can't still
> >> act
> >>
> >> as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think there is
> >> enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a separate group
> >> better
> >> for all involved.
> >>
> >> I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be necessary,
> >> but
> >>
> >> maybe so.  I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor one
> >> another.  I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older
> >> generations
> >>
> >> of NFBers who have worked together for decades.
> >>
> >> Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this year to
> >> brainstorm and talk about what this might look like?  I know convention
> >> time
> >>
> >> is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be better.
> >>
> >> I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep the
> >> conversation going.  Those of you who are interested and will be at
> >> convention, let's get together.
> >>
> >> -Greg
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" <jsoro620 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the
> scope
> >>> of
> >>> the organization that much broader than it already is, and two, NABS
> >>> still
> >>> has to get in the weeds of the philosophy fundamentals: training
> >>> centers,
> >>> disability offices, the importance of self-advocacy, etc. When I think
> >>> of
> >>>
> >>> a
> >>> professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like
> >>> accessibility
> >>>
> >>> in
> >>> the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in similar
> >>> fields
> >>> such as federal employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy
> >>> professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still
> >>> like
> >>> signing petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in
> >>> protest
> >>> to some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to
> >>> be
> >>> clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to
> >>> meet
> >>> every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there needs
> >>> to
> >>> be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I get up at
> >>> 4:00
> >>> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less
> >>> around
> >>> 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter meeting.
> >>> Yes,
> >>> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a
> >>> lot
> >>> more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens of
> >>> divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to most
> >>> divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people like me
> >>> not
> >>> want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to the national
> >>> convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does that leave
> >>> people
> >>> like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but being burned out on
> >>> the
> >>> Federation does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway,
> >>> enough babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is
> >>> because
> >>>
> >>> I
> >>> think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities.
> >>> Maybe
> >>>
> >>> a
> >>> happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start.
> >>>
> >>> Joe
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif,
> >>> Zunaira
> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM
> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
> >>>
> >>> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to  include young professionals as
> >>> well
> >>> as students.  We can all be in the same division.  That way mentoring
> >>> can
> >>> take place with ease.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg
> Aikens
> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM
> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
> >>>
> >>> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other
> young
> >>> professionals.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" <
> sjhhirst at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned
> >>>> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is
> >>>> this something people would be interested in?  Perhaps we can put it
> >>>> on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie
> >>>>
> >>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind.
> >>>>  ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 02:32:34 -0400
> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks
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> Ashley,
>
> These are things I wondered myself when I was looking for campus jobs,
> although obviously you're situation have much more significance.
> Unfortunately I can't offer much in the way of personal experiences or
> tips and tricks I've found, but in case you don't know there is an
> office professionals division which might be another good list to try
> asking this question on.  I would think those people would have ideas
> and solutions that they have used successfully.
>
> Hope you find some solutions, and good luck in the job search.  :)
>
> On 6/14/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I?m posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are
> students
> > or recent graduates.
> > But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas.
> > I?m finished school, at least for now,  and trying to find more
> experience
> > to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some experience,
> confidence,
> > and networks. I did internships, but few of them gave me the experience I
> > really need for work.
> >
> > I?m finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to
> support
> > the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry.
> > Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these
> questions.
> > Here they are.
> > As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading forms
> > are visual which poses some challenges to get a position.
> > Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions
> which
> > is discouraging.
> > Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites and
> > designing documents.
> > So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer.
> >
> > 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses  have
> barcodes
> > now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some kind?
> >
> >  I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could use
> > for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients
> fill
> > out and you read it to enter in data.
> >
> >  Is Access accessible?
> >
> > I figured if it?s a short form another person can read me the data.
> >
> >
> >
> > 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any copiers
> > that talk?
> >
> >
> >
> > 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ashley
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
>
> --
> Kaiti
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 02:55:54 -0400
> From: "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks
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> What was your college major?  Just to give me a better idea of what your
> skills may be?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 2:33 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks
>
> Ashley,
>
> These are things I wondered myself when I was looking for campus jobs,
> although obviously you're situation have much more significance.
> Unfortunately I can't offer much in the way of personal experiences or tips
> and tricks I've found, but in case you don't know there is an office
> professionals division which might be another good list to try asking this
> question on.  I would think those people would have ideas and solutions
> that
> they have used successfully.
>
> Hope you find some solutions, and good luck in the job search.  :)
>
> On 6/14/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are
> > students or recent graduates.
> > But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas.
> > I'm finished school, at least for now,  and trying to find more
> > experience to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some
> > experience, confidence, and networks. I did internships, but few of
> > them gave me the experience I really need for work.
> >
> > I'm finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to
> > support the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry.
> > Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these
> questions.
> > Here they are.
> > As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading
> > forms are visual which poses some challenges to get a position.
> > Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions
> > which is discouraging.
> > Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites
> > and designing documents.
> > So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer.
> >
> > 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses  have
> > barcodes now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some
> kind?
> >
> >  I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could
> > use for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients
> > fill out and you read it to enter in data.
> >
> >  Is Access accessible?
> >
> > I figured if it's a short form another person can read me the data.
> >
> >
> >
> > 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any
> > copiers that talk?
> >
> >
> >
> > 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ashley
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
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> > t104%40gmail.com
> >
>
>
> --
> Kaiti
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 02:58:41 -0400
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks
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> Kaiti,
> Ah, well we thought of the same issues.
> Did you end up finding a suitable campus job you could do?
>
> I noticed that much of the student jobs involved working at the reception
> desks where they did answering questions, answering phones, and performing
> other light office tasks like handing out papers, making copies, and
> scheduling appointments.
> One reason I did not pursue campus employment was because such tasks were
> visual.
> It involved lots of paperwork and sometimes you had to check IDS depending
> on what task you handled.
> I wish I could have done that work as it would have given me much needed
> money and experience.
> Instead, I got my work experience in the summers.
>
> Anyway, I'm still thinking of what might work.
> I already am checking with the office professionals list.
>
> Thanks.
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kaiti Shelton
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 2:32 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks
>
> Ashley,
>
> These are things I wondered myself when I was looking for campus jobs,
> although obviously you're situation have much more significance.
> Unfortunately I can't offer much in the way of personal experiences or
> tips and tricks I've found, but in case you don't know there is an
> office professionals division which might be another good list to try
> asking this question on.  I would think those people would have ideas
> and solutions that they have used successfully.
>
> Hope you find some solutions, and good luck in the job search.  :)
>
> On 6/14/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I?m posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are
> > students
> > or recent graduates.
> > But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas.
> > I?m finished school, at least for now,  and trying to find more
> experience
> > to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some experience,
> > confidence,
> > and networks. I did internships, but few of them gave me the experience I
> > really need for work.
> >
> > I?m finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to
> > support
> > the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry.
> > Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these
> questions.
> > Here they are.
> > As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading forms
> > are visual which poses some challenges to get a position.
> > Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions
> > which
> > is discouraging.
> > Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites and
> > designing documents.
> > So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer.
> >
> > 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses  have
> > barcodes
> > now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some kind?
> >
> >  I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could use
> > for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients
> fill
> > out and you read it to enter in data.
> >
> >  Is Access accessible?
> >
> > I figured if it?s a short form another person can read me the data.
> >
> >
> >
> > 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any copiers
> > that talk?
> >
> >
> >
> > 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ashley
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
>
> --
> Kaiti
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 04:54:53 -0400
> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks
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> Hi Ashley,
>
> Exactly. I did eventually find a job that isn't too visual. I'm basically
> gong to supervise one of the computer labs and do some audio editing, but I
> had those same concerns with a few of the receptionist jobs I applied for.
>
> Glad to hear you're using the office professional list. Hopefully they will
> be able to offer an idea or two.
>
> On Friday, June 14, 2013, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>
> > Kaiti,
> > Ah, well we thought of the same issues.
> > Did you end up finding a suitable campus job you could do?
> >
> > I noticed that much of the student jobs involved working at the reception
> > desks where they did answering questions, answering phones, and
> performing
> > other light office tasks like handing out papers, making copies, and
> > scheduling appointments.
> > One reason I did not pursue campus employment was because such tasks were
> > visual.
> > It involved lots of paperwork and sometimes you had to check IDS
> depending
> > on what task you handled.
> > I wish I could have done that work as it would have given me much needed
> > money and experience.
> > Instead, I got my work experience in the summers.
> >
> > Anyway, I'm still thinking of what might work.
> > I already am checking with the office professionals list.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Ashley
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton
> > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 2:32 AM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks
> >
> > Ashley,
> >
> > These are things I wondered myself when I was looking for campus jobs,
> > although obviously you're situation have much more significance.
> > Unfortunately I can't offer much in the way of personal experiences or
> > tips and tricks I've found, but in case you don't know there is an
> > office professionals division which might be another good list to try
> > asking this question on.  I would think those people would have ideas
> > and solutions that they have used successfully.
> >
> > Hope you find some solutions, and good luck in the job search.  :)
> >
> > On 6/14/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I?m posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are
> >> students
> >> or recent graduates.
> >> But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas.
> >> I?m finished school, at least for now,  and trying to find more
> experience
> >> to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some experience,
> >> confidence,
> >> and networks. I did internships, but few of them gave me the experience
> I
> >> really need for work.
> >>
> >> I?m finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to
> >> support
> >> the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry.
> >> Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these
> questions.
> >> Here they are.
> >> As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading
> forms
> >> are visual which poses some challenges to get a position.
> >> Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions
> >> which
> >> is discouraging.
> >> Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites and
> >> designing documents.
> >> So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer.
> >>
> >> 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses  have
> >> barcodes
> >> now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some kind?
> >>
> >>  I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could
> use
> >> for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients
> fill
> >> out and you read it to enter in data.
> >>
> >>  Is Access accessible?
> >>
> >> I figured if it?s a short form another person can read me the data.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any copiers
> >> that talk?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ashley
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:30:56 -0400
> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] funding graduate school,  was:  young
>         professionals division?
> Message-ID: <FC2B2876-190F-4C01-B471-768AEC347AE2 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi Ashley,
> Not to go too far afield from the main topic, but I paid for my degrees
> mostly with scholarships, grants, assistance ships, and some student loans.
>  The thing about graduate school is that in most fields, you should be able
> to find a program that will pay for your degree.  I have heard some people
> say that if you are paying to go to grad school, you aren't doing it right.
>  This is mostly true on the masters level and even more so if you are
> pursuing a Ph.D.  This is because on the graduate level, you are engaging
> in research/sharing some of the teaching load for professors.  It is a
> mutually beneficial arrangement for both parties.  This is also the dynamic
> that makes graduate school more like a career than other levels of
> education.
>
> Also, I graduated last August with a degree in teaching blind students and
> was extremely fortunate to find a job as a TVI in the Atlanta area within 2
> weeks of completing my degree.  I just finished my first year as a teacher
> and it feels wonderful.  Woohoo!  There is hope after school. :)
>
> -Greg
>
> On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:46 AM, "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Greg,
> > wow, two degrees. I wonder how you can afford that. VR may pay for one
> degree, but not two.
> > What did you study in grad and undergrad?
> > I assume you're looking for work.
> >
> > Justin, Greg is right. If you identify as a young professional, then go
> to that group.
> > Grad students are usually mature and studying something specific to
> their careers or have a full or part time job while in school.
> > So, they are more like professionals given the seriousness and
> intensiveness of their school studies.
> > Graduate school prepares you for a profession as well so this IMO fits
> into a young professionals group; after all, you cannot get to be that
> professional without good grades, a masters degree, and often times passing
> other licensing exams.
> >
> > Ashley
> > -----Original Message----- From: Greg Aikens
> > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:22 AM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
> >
> > I would definitely think that graduate students fit under the "young
> professionals" umbrella.  Having completed two graduate degrees, it was my
> experience that the further you go in higher ed, the more like a career and
> the less like traditional school it is.
> >
> > I don't see any reason for real clear cut lines as to who fits into what
> group.  If you consider yourself a young professional, then participate in
> the young professional stuff.  If you aren't sure, connect with others who
> do identify themselves that way and see if you fit.
> >
> > -Greg
> >
> >
> > On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi ,
> >>
> >> It sounds like there is lots of interest in organizing something for
> >> young professionals, and several ways to go about it. I think a formal
> >> division may not be necessary or appropriate, but a group may be. One
> >> option is for young professionals to get together, form a group and
> >> plan programming for national convention. Another option is for NABS
> >> to appoint a committee for graduate students, young professionals and
> >> non-traditional students, and have it chaired by a grad student/young
> >> professional/nontrad (perhaps someone on the board, but wouldn't have
> >> to be). This committee could then plan programming such as conference
> >> calls, happy hours or other get-togethers just for "mature" students
> >> and those who have recently graduated to network and discuss common
> >> issues. I think NABS still has a high school committee and this would
> >> be like the other side of that coin. It wouldn't detract from regular
> >> NABS programming, but just develop some supplementary programming for
> >> mature students. When I was NABS president I was open to the formation
> >> of almost any committee as long as there was at least one individual
> >> willing to head it up. I was approached by a few folks about starting
> >> a nontrad committee, but it hasn't happened yet. If one or two
> >> individuals are willing to take the lead on this, and the NABS board
> >> would be comfortable with the idea of adding a NABS committee to focus
> >> on the young professional/grad student/nontrad population, it could be
> >> a great thing.
> >>
> >> Arielle
> >>
> >> On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>> greg,
> >>> I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests
> than
> >>> students.
> >>> Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing
> accomodations
> >>>
> >>> are just some issues that come to mind.
> >>> So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than
> >>> expanding nabs.
> >>> Mentoring is a great idea  and the groups can work together on some
> stuff,
> >>> but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and attract
> young
> >>> professionals.
> >>>
> >>> I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I hope
> you
> >>> gather and further discuss it.
> >>>
> >>> Ashley
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Greg Aikens
> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM
> >>> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students
> mailing
> >>> list
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
> >>>
> >>> I agree that young professionals have different challenges and
> interests
> >>> than most of your student population.  That doesn't mean we can't
> still act
> >>>
> >>> as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think there
> is
> >>> enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a separate group
> better
> >>> for all involved.
> >>>
> >>> I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be
> necessary, but
> >>>
> >>> maybe so.  I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor one
> >>> another.  I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older
> generations
> >>>
> >>> of NFBers who have worked together for decades.
> >>>
> >>> Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this year
> to
> >>> brainstorm and talk about what this might look like?  I know
> convention time
> >>>
> >>> is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be
> better.
> >>>
> >>> I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep the
> >>> conversation going.  Those of you who are interested and will be at
> >>> convention, let's get together.
> >>>
> >>> -Greg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" <jsoro620 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the
> scope
> >>>> of
> >>>> the organization that much broader than it already is, and two, NABS
> >>>> still
> >>>> has to get in the weeds of the philosophy fundamentals: training
> centers,
> >>>> disability offices, the importance of self-advocacy, etc. When I
> think of
> >>>>
> >>>> a
> >>>> professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like
> accessibility
> >>>>
> >>>> in
> >>>> the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in similar
> >>>> fields
> >>>> such as federal employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy
> >>>> professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still
> like
> >>>> signing petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in
> >>>> protest
> >>>> to some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want
> to be
> >>>> clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to
> >>>> meet
> >>>> every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there
> needs
> >>>> to
> >>>> be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I get up
> at
> >>>> 4:00
> >>>> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less
> around
> >>>> 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter meeting.
> >>>> Yes,
> >>>> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a
> >>>> lot
> >>>> more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens of
> >>>> divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to
> most
> >>>> divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people like me
> >>>> not
> >>>> want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to the national
> >>>> convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does that leave
> >>>> people
> >>>> like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but being burned out on
> the
> >>>> Federation does not mean I think the organization is a bad one.
> Anyway,
> >>>> enough babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is
> because
> >>>>
> >>>> I
> >>>> think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities.
> Maybe
> >>>>
> >>>> a
> >>>> happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start.
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif,
> >>>> Zunaira
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM
> >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to  include young professionals
> as
> >>>> well
> >>>> as students.  We can all be in the same division.  That way mentoring
> can
> >>>> take place with ease.
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg
> Aikens
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM
> >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
> >>>>
> >>>> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other
> young
> >>>> professionals.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" <
> sjhhirst at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned
> >>>>> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol
> Is
> >>>>> this something people would be interested in?  Perhaps we can put it
> >>>>> on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~
> Stephanie
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind.
> >>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:36:02 -0400
> From: "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>         <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] funding graduate school,  was:  young
>         professionals division?
> Message-ID: <001901ce68f3$599d5d70$0cd81850$@gmail.com>
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> That is not true with grad school; it depends.  The p h d is going to  have
> more funding available.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:31 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] funding graduate school, was: young professionals
> division?
>
> Hi Ashley,
> Not to go too far afield from the main topic, but I paid for my degrees
> mostly with scholarships, grants, assistance ships, and some student loans.
> The thing about graduate school is that in most fields, you should be able
> to find a program that will pay for your degree.  I have heard some people
> say that if you are paying to go to grad school, you aren't doing it right.
> This is mostly true on the masters level and even more so if you are
> pursuing a Ph.D.  This is because on the graduate level, you are engaging
> in
> research/sharing some of the teaching load for professors.  It is a
> mutually
> beneficial arrangement for both parties.  This is also the dynamic that
> makes graduate school more like a career than other levels of education.
>
> Also, I graduated last August with a degree in teaching blind students and
> was extremely fortunate to find a job as a TVI in the Atlanta area within 2
> weeks of completing my degree.  I just finished my first year as a teacher
> and it feels wonderful.  Woohoo!  There is hope after school. :)
>
> -Greg
>
> On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:46 AM, "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Greg,
> > wow, two degrees. I wonder how you can afford that. VR may pay for one
> degree, but not two.
> > What did you study in grad and undergrad?
> > I assume you're looking for work.
> >
> > Justin, Greg is right. If you identify as a young professional, then go
> to
> that group.
> > Grad students are usually mature and studying something specific to their
> careers or have a full or part time job while in school.
> > So, they are more like professionals given the seriousness and
> intensiveness of their school studies.
> > Graduate school prepares you for a profession as well so this IMO fits
> into a young professionals group; after all, you cannot get to be that
> professional without good grades, a masters degree, and often times passing
> other licensing exams.
> >
> > Ashley
> > -----Original Message----- From: Greg Aikens
> > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:22 AM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
> >
> > I would definitely think that graduate students fit under the "young
> professionals" umbrella.  Having completed two graduate degrees, it was my
> experience that the further you go in higher ed, the more like a career and
> the less like traditional school it is.
> >
> > I don't see any reason for real clear cut lines as to who fits into what
> group.  If you consider yourself a young professional, then participate in
> the young professional stuff.  If you aren't sure, connect with others who
> do identify themselves that way and see if you fit.
> >
> > -Greg
> >
> >
> > On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi ,
> >>
> >> It sounds like there is lots of interest in organizing something for
> >> young professionals, and several ways to go about it. I think a
> >> formal division may not be necessary or appropriate, but a group may
> >> be. One option is for young professionals to get together, form a
> >> group and plan programming for national convention. Another option is
> >> for NABS to appoint a committee for graduate students, young
> >> professionals and non-traditional students, and have it chaired by a
> >> grad student/young professional/nontrad (perhaps someone on the
> >> board, but wouldn't have to be). This committee could then plan
> >> programming such as conference calls, happy hours or other
> >> get-togethers just for "mature" students and those who have recently
> >> graduated to network and discuss common issues. I think NABS still
> >> has a high school committee and this would be like the other side of
> >> that coin. It wouldn't detract from regular NABS programming, but
> >> just develop some supplementary programming for mature students. When
> >> I was NABS president I was open to the formation of almost any
> >> committee as long as there was at least one individual willing to
> >> head it up. I was approached by a few folks about starting a nontrad
> >> committee, but it hasn't happened yet. If one or two individuals are
> >> willing to take the lead on this, and the NABS board would be
> >> comfortable with the idea of adding a NABS committee to focus on the
> >> young professional/grad student/nontrad population, it could be a great
> thing.
> >>
> >> Arielle
> >>
> >> On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>> greg,
> >>> I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests
> >>> than students.
> >>> Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing
> >>> accomodations
> >>>
> >>> are just some issues that come to mind.
> >>> So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than
> >>> expanding nabs.
> >>> Mentoring is a great idea  and the groups can work together on some
> >>> stuff, but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and
> >>> attract young professionals.
> >>>
> >>> I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I
> >>> hope you gather and further discuss it.
> >>>
> >>> Ashley
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Greg Aikens
> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM
> >>> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students
> >>> mailing list
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
> >>>
> >>> I agree that young professionals have different challenges and
> >>> interests than most of your student population.  That doesn't mean
> >>> we can't still act
> >>>
> >>> as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think
> >>> there is enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a
> >>> separate group better for all involved.
> >>>
> >>> I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be
> >>> necessary, but
> >>>
> >>> maybe so.  I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor
> >>> one another.  I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older
> >>> generations
> >>>
> >>> of NFBers who have worked together for decades.
> >>>
> >>> Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this
> >>> year to brainstorm and talk about what this might look like?  I know
> >>> convention time
> >>>
> >>> is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be
> better.
> >>>
> >>> I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep
> >>> the conversation going.  Those of you who are interested and will be
> >>> at convention, let's get together.
> >>>
> >>> -Greg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" <jsoro620 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the
> >>>> scope of the organization that much broader than it already is, and
> >>>> two, NABS still has to get in the weeds of the philosophy
> >>>> fundamentals: training centers, disability offices, the importance
> >>>> of self-advocacy, etc. When I think of
> >>>>
> >>>> a
> >>>> professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like
> >>>> accessibility
> >>>>
> >>>> in
> >>>> the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in
> >>>> similar fields such as federal employees, and yes, a means of
> >>>> enabling otherwise busy professionals to lend a hand with advocacy.
> >>>> I'm a busy guy but still like signing petitions and calling up
> >>>> congress people in favor of or in protest to some measure or
> >>>> another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to be clear that
> >>>> I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to meet
> >>>> every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there
> >>>> needs to be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of
> >>>> apathy. I get up at
> >>>> 4:00
> >>>> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less
> >>>> around 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter
> meeting.
> >>>> Yes,
> >>>> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there
> >>>> is a lot more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are
> >>>> dozens of divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my
> >>>> opposition to most divisions in general, but having too many
> >>>> choices makes people like me not want to participate in any of it.
> >>>> If I don't make it to the national convention and can't make
> >>>> Washington Seminar, where does that leave people like me? Perhaps
> >>>> an alternative organization, but being burned out on the Federation
> >>>> does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway, enough
> >>>> babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is because
> >>>>
> >>>> I
> >>>> think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities.
> >>>> Maybe
> >>>>
> >>>> a
> >>>> happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start.
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif,
> >>>> Zunaira
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM
> >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to  include young
> >>>> professionals as well as students.  We can all be in the same
> >>>> division.  That way mentoring can take place with ease.
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg
> >>>> Aikens
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM
> >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
> >>>>
> >>>> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other
> >>>> young professionals.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca"
> >>>> <sjhhirst at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had
> >>>>> mentioned an NFB young professionals division ..... that it
> >>>>> doesn't exist lol Is this something people would be interested in?
> >>>>> Perhaps we can put it on the agenda for the NABS meeting at
> >>>>> National Convention. ~ Stephanie
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> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:57:40 -0400
> From: "Rania Ismail LMT" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks
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> Hi Ashley,
> I can answer one of your questions.
> As a massage therapist I have the client fill out a health history form
> before their massage.
> I have the client or one of my co-workers read me what is on the form and I
> make my own notes on what the client put on their form that way.
> The form is not that long so I think you could have someone read it to you
> as long as it is not to long.
> Hope that helps.
> Rania,
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
> Bramlett
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:15 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] office tasks
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are
> students
> or recent graduates.
> But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas.
> I'm finished school, at least for now,  and trying to find more experience
> to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some experience,
> confidence,
> and networks. I did internships, but few of them gave me the experience I
> really need for work.
>
> I'm finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to
> support
> the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry.
> Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these questions.
> Here they are.
> As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading forms
> are visual which poses some challenges to get a position.
> Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions which
> is discouraging.
> Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites and
> designing documents.
> So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer.
>
> 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses  have barcodes
> now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some kind?
>
>  I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could use
> for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome.
>
>
>
> 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients fill
> out and you read it to enter in data.
>
>  Is Access accessible?
>
> I figured if it's a short form another person can read me the data.
>
>
>
> 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any copiers
> that talk?
>
>
>
> 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Ashley
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