[nabs-l] security alerts on the braillenote

Mon Mar 11 20:33:19 UTC 2013

Mike,
yes, yes! We cannot depend on only mainstream products which is why Sara's 
comment about not buying a braille note when an I Phone can do more on the 
internet bothered me.

Some of us see the value in the braille display, menus, and buttons of our 
own portable PDAs.
I believe in making mainstream stuff accessible; we should be able to buy 
and use any phone sighted people use; we are part of society and want to 
communicate just as much as everyone else does.
But at the same time, there is a place for our dedicated notetakers and its 
disheartening to see someone not support it. Yeah, its terribly expensive 
and you have to get vr or another funding source for it, but for many people 
its well worth it.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Freeman
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 2:55 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] security alerts on the braillenote

The answer is extremely simple although my observation is that most blind 
people do not want to hear it.
First, piezoelectric braille displays are expensive and the demand for them 
is small enough that their price is unlikely to decrease much.
Second, Apple sells far more i-devices than Humanware, HIMS and 
Levelstar/APH sell note-takers. Therefore, Apple can take advantage of 
economies of scale in production that note-taker manufacturers can only 
dream of. High production quantity translates directly into lower prices
This is the economic consequence of being the minority we know ourselves to 
be. The fact that note-takers are, in essence, glorified PDAs with braille 
displays matters not one whit where economics are concerned. The kicker here 
is that we cannot depend upon mainstream devices to meet all our needs
All the complaining in the world won't change this reality. The one 
consolation we have here is that slates and styluses are still cheap!

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:05, Sarah <coastergirl92 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah my point is the same why in the world would you have to pay over 
> $5,000 for a device that can barely do more than go on Facebook or google 
> or Bookshare when an iPhone costs less than half the price and you can do 
> anything on it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Valerie Gibson <valandkayla at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 01:38:15 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] security alerts on the braillenote
>
> I think i saw something about it on the BN mailing list, but someone said 
> their computer was doing it too, and I have not had that problem. 
> Overall, the thread on it was not too helpful, but maybe I just didn't dig 
> deep enough.
>
> Another bad part about all this is, I can't even exit the internet because 
> the dialog pops up again.  I have to reset my BN.
>
> It's sadly getting to the point where, if not for the braille display, the 
> BN would not be worth having…at least that's my thinking.
>
> I know the BN can only do so muc, but if it were half as good as a mobile 
> device that would be something.  I don't mean to bash the braillenote or 
> the manufacturer, and I appologize if my tone is coming across as such, 
> it's just…to spend that much money on a device and have your iphone/ipad, 
> which coasts a fifth of the price, work more flawlessly is a wee bit 
> disappointing.
>
> Maybe humanware should up the game and make a iphone/ipad docking station 
> with a braille display at the bottom…or an iphone/ipad case with a braille 
> display somehow built in.  You have to admit, that would be beautiful.  :)
>
> If anyone figures out a way around this, please let me know.  Thanks so 
> much.
> On Mar 11, 2013, at 12:09 AM, Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer 
> <zdreicer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> good evening Valerie.  I get those annoying things all the time! I can not 
> figure a way around them either.  Do you know of  the braillenote mailing 
> list?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 10, 2013, at 10:59 PM, Valerie Gibson <valandkayla at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Quick question.  Does anyone ever get a ton of security alerts while using 
> the internet on the braillenote apex?  When I go to facebook or bookshare, 
> I'll get:
> Security alert dialog.
> informationyou exchange with this site cannot be viewed or changed by 
> others.  However, there is a problem with the site's security certificate. 
> The security certificate is from a trusted certifying athority.
> The security certificate date is valid.
> The name on the security certificate is invalid or does not match the name 
> of the site.
> Do you want to continue?
>
> The problem is:
> 1.  I can sometimes get eight or ten of these in a row, and I just hit yes 
> on it.
> 2.  When i'm moving to a new line on the dialog, the braillenote lags. 
> for example, from "The name on the security certificate is invalid…" to 
> "do you want to continue…" it takes the braillenote a second at most to 
> jump from those two line.  When you're dealing with four lines, that's 
> four seconds, just to get to the prompt.  With all of that added up, it 
> takes about a minute to get past that.  I even tried hitting "no" on the 
> prompt and it still brings up security stuff..
>
> Any advice, suggestions, helpful hints, complaints such as this, etc? :)
>
> Thanks
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