[nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness

Tue Mar 26 17:59:06 UTC 2013

Howard Stern is just... well, Howard Stern, if that's who it was on
the show Desiree found.  Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if that's
who it was at all.

On 3/26/13, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> Think of the stretch! I've never met anyone who can actually see their
> behind without a mirror.
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
> -----Original Message-----
> From: christopher nusbaum
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:59 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>
> Although I agree with Desiree and with Josh that this view is absurd,
> I find it interesting because most of the time people assume that
> wiping ourselves is an unbearable challenge. I have been asked many
> times how I wipe myself, but I have never heard the view that we're
> better at it than the sighted. I wonder, do they really use their
> vision to help them wipe themselves? Do they look back at, well...
> what they're wiping when wiping it? If they do, which I think is
> highly unlikely, I would imagine that wiping would be more of a hassle
> (as well as a disgusting ordeal) for sighted people than for us!
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 25, 2013, at 11:52 PM, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You know, I can't remember exactly when this was, or what show, but I
>> remember flipping through radio stations once when I was a kid and
>> stopping on a talk show. I believe it may have been howard Stern, but
>> don't quote me on that. He said, in a nutshell, that blind people must
>> be better at wiping than sighted folks after they go to the
>> bathroom...It was more crudely put than that, but you catch my drift.
>> Both views are absurd. It's a basic bodily function that is not
>> dependent on sight!
>>
>> On 3/25/13, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> What most disturbs me about this is,:
>>>
>>> "She began to tell me, that a blind woman she knew had other
>>> disabilities, and also "used things to her advantage."  I realized
>>> what she was getting at, the clustering affect.  One size fits all."
>>>
>>> Where in the world did this person come up with the idea that all
>>> blind people have other disabilities in addition to their blindness,
>>> or that all use things to their advantage?  I know it's the clustering
>>> effect, but the fact that these two things are so far fetched is
>>> shocking to me... it's not just something out of ignorance like, "Do
>>> you get around by counting steps," or "You must be able to hear
>>> everything," it's literally assuming that blind people are much less
>>> capable of even taking care of the simplest bodily function and that
>>> we're all either too disabled or too lazy to take care of it.
>>>
>>> On 3/25/13, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> What? I know a lot of blind people, none of whom use diapers to go to
>>>> the
>>>> bathroom after infancy.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair
>>>> Public Relations Committee
>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of wmodnl
>>>> wmodnl
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 3:00 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>
>>>> Well, if we were taking a survey of the oddest questions we were ever
>>>> asked,
>>>> I think what I was asked today would go well.
>>>> Sir, not for nothing, how do you go to the bathroom?  Well, the same
>>>> way
>>>> you
>>>> do.  No, I mean, like, when you are out and not at home. Why don't you
>>>> use
>>>> you know like those things for old people, like disabled people?
>>>> I wanted to put some humor to it, so I said:
>>>> Remember what used to happen when you pressed the wrong button while
>>>> dialing
>>>> in to Verizon?
>>>> Sorry, that's not an option, try again.
>>>> She began to tell me, that a blind woman she knew had other
>>>> disabilities,
>>>> and also "used things to her advantage."  I realized what she was
>>>> getting
>>>> at, the clustering affect.  One size fits all.
>>>> Have a great day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 22, 2013, at 10:50 PM, "Brandon Keith Biggs"
>>>> <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No,
>>>>> We use these things called food patches we swipe over our arm that
>>>>> puts
>>>> the nourishment for a good sized meal into our bloodstream. They are
>>>> used
>>>> completely by feel with Braille labels so we don't need any help with
>>>> them.
>>>> That way we are never in need of wasting extra time eating and doing
>>>> this
>>>> horribly unnatural thing called socializing over dinner. If for some
>>>> reason
>>>> we are allergic to the substance excreted by the patches, we can bring
>>>> around a personalized IV that is permanently attached to our arm,
>>>> injecting
>>>> our meals directly into our vain. If a blind person ever touches a fork
>>>> they
>>>> are in danger of stabbing themselves in the eye which is in front of
>>>> them,
>>>> but because they can't see is magically put in the way of any sharp
>>>> object
>>>> they may handle. If they eat solid food they may become poisoned
>>>> because
>>>> they can't see the germs to keep from consuming bad food.
>>>>> In all cases blind people are never to be given dinner except in their
>>>>> arm
>>>> patches.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 7:14 PM
>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh? Don't humans need food to survive? I guess they think blind
>>>>> people have a very short lifespan then, LOL.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair
>>>>> Public Relations Committee
>>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of justin
>>>>> williams
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:12 PM
>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>
>>>>> I've had people ask me or my friends if I would be capable of eating
>>>>> dinner on a date.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris
>>>>> Nusbaum
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 8:28 PM
>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>
>>>>> How about when a sighted person asks you: "How do you eat? Does
>>>>> somebody feed you?" Yes, that literally happened to me a couple weeks
>>>>> ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair
>>>>> Public Relations Committee
>>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua
>>>>> Lester
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:15 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly!
>>>>> Also, I get a little adgitated when a sighted person asks me how I
>>>>> watch
>>>> TV!
>>>>> I, of course, explain to them that I listen to what's said, and I can
>>>>> tell somewhat, what's going on with the sound affects.
>>>>> Sometimes, audio descriptions would help, though!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Arielle
>>>>> Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 5:11 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>
>>>>> It reminds me of a time when I rented a movie with two blind friends
>>>>> and my sighted fiancee. We had to keep adjusting our seating
>>>>> configuration so he could see the video screen (obviously the three of
>>>>> us blind folks were just listening, so it didn't matter where we sat
>>>>> in the room). Eventually it struck me that here was a situation where
>>>>> the lone sighted person was the one with "special needs" because he
>>>>> needed
>>>> an accommodation that we didn't.
>>>>> Of course I love him dearly and this is not an attack on him or on
>>>>> sighted people. But it makes you think about where the supposed
>>>>> tragedy of blindness really comes from. If you alter the group
>>>>> dynamics just a little bit, blind people can be equal or even
>>>>> advantaged.
>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/21/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Lol. That is funny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon
>>>>>> Keith Biggs
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 4:27 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure this is a gag, most of their other articles seem
>>>>>> pretty ridiculous as well. I may write an article on how to prep a
>>>>>> room for a sighted person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Make sure lights are turned on and not facing toward the door.
>>>>>> Sighted people don't like walking into dark rooms. They also don't
>>>>>> like walking into
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bright lights, so one needs to find the perfect balance.
>>>>>> Open the curtains if it is day time, even if it is really warm
>>>>>> outside and the AC is on. Sighted people love to have the sun shining
>>>>>> into their house even though it raises the electrical bill. Make sure
>>>>>> print labels on food and appliances aren't covered by anything so the
>>>>>> sighted person can feel comfortable reading the familiar labels. If
>>>>>> there aren't already print labels on something, make sure they are
>>>>>> printed in at least 12 point font with black letters on a white
>>>>>> background. Make sure your TV screen is on and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> make sure your computer screen shows what you are doing at all times.
>>>>>> If you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wish to be safe, slow down your screen reader so the sighted person
>>>>>> won't feel left out of what you are doing.
>>>>>> If you plan on cooking with the sighted person in the house, make
>>>>>> sure to wear big gloves, because it raises the anxiety level of the
>>>>>> sighted person seeing someone cutting and using hot items without
>>>> protection.
>>>>>> If you follow all these instructions, you will be able to interact
>>>>>> with a sighted person comfortably in your house.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Josh Gregory
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:58 PM
>>>>>> To: Misty Dawn Bradley ; National Association of Blind Students
>>>>>> mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's all good, we all make mistakes sometimes, :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Misty Dawn Bradley
>>>>>> <mistydbradley at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> I am sorry, but I meant to say EHow rather than EZine Articles in my
>>>>>>> earlier post.
>>>>>>> Misty
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin williams"
>>>>>>> <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:26 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is important to read their trash.  Remember, other people are,
>>>>>>>> and to their mind, they no things about you.  You can more easily
>>>>>>>> refute them if you have some idea on what people are saying.  You
>>>>>>>> can't advocate without proper information.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Josh
>>>>>>>> Gregory
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:18 PM
>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Joshua, you don't want to read their trash, so you say, but you
>>>>>>>> say that it is important to educate them. I get that, but if you
>>>>>>>> read it, you can assist in educating them. Doing nothing is not a
>>>>>>>> good idea here, and when
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> get a chance in a bit, I'm going to find these articles and see
>>>>>>>> what they're like.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't want to read their trash.
>>>>>>>>> If they have something negative to say, I'd usually E-Mail them
>>>>>>>>> and give
>>>>>>>> them my take on the matter, and teach them some old school NFB
>>>>>>>> philosophy!
>>>>>>>>> Does EHow have a captcha on their contact form?
>>>>>>>>> BTW, the ideas come from the ignorant people that don't know
>>>>>>>>> anything, and
>>>>>>>> have never seen a blind person do anything independently!
>>>>>>>>> We need to do something, and I posted a suggestion on another
>>>>>>>>> thread that
>>>>>>>> I just started.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Carrie
>>>>>>>>> Gilmer
>>>>>>>> [carrie.gilmer at gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 1:56 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are no gag. They are on a well viewed and well shared site.
>>>>>>>>> You think
>>>>>>>> we all are not tired? Saying nothing does nothing but allows them
>>>>>>>> to go on, unimpeded. There was just an article about the real and
>>>>>>>> large problem of employment discrimination for blind people. Where
>>>>>>>> do the ideas come from?
>>>>>>>> how do they go on and on and on? Doing nothing does nothing to
>>>>>>>> correct or stop. It makes me terribly sad and dismayed to hear
>>>>>>>> "they are not worth my time". Is correcting even one mind which may
>>>>>>>> affect a blind person's employment or education worth your time?
>>>>>>>> what if that blind person is you?
>>>>>>>>> Carrie
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Those articles aren't worth my time, if they're going to paint a
>>>>>>>>>> terrible
>>>>>>>> picture of blindness!
>>>>>>>>>> I'm tired of these negative ideas that come from the 16th century
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> before!
>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Carrie
>>>>>>>>>> Gilmer
>>>>>>>> [carrie.gilmer at gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 1:31 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ehow.com/how_2040980_care-blind-person.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are links on the pages of articles to a good dozen
>>>>>>>>>> more...one is
>>>>>>>> also titled "how to feed a blind person"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What kind of blind person can they possibly be depicting? There
>>>>>>>>>> is no
>>>>>>>> distinguishing between a newly blinded person from a major auto
>>>>>>>> accident practically in  a coma or a child with multiple
>>>>>>>> disabilities, or a 90 year old in feeble health or visually
>>>>>>>> impaired teenager in good health or a normal person born blind.
>>>>>>>>>> The aura of tragedy and burden and superhuman challenge abounds.
>>>>>>>>>> Carrie
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 21, 2013, at 1:00 PM, "justin williams"
>>>>>>>> <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the articles?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>>> Carrie
>>>>>>>> Gilmer
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:49 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Kid Mailing List; National Association of Blind
>>>>>>>>>>> Students
>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all~
>>>>>>>>>>> I discovered last night a series of articles written and posted
>>>>>>>>>>> on eHow concerning blindness. they are misleading at best,
>>>>>>>>>>> horrifically bad perpetuated falsehoods at worst.  I had only
>>>>>>>>>>> viewed four of them last
>>>>>>>> night
>>>>>>>>>>> and had to stop, I was so upset. This morning a friend pointed
>>>>>>>>>>> out that
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> was mentioned and partially quoted in another one! I was
>>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>> unaware,
>>>>>>>>>>> and found upon reading it, it is in the midst of misleading and
>>>>>>>>>>> mixed messages and not an accurate portrayal from the article or
>>>>>>>>>>> from our
>>>>>>>> life!,
>>>>>>>>>>> I believe it was pulled from. The same is true for a friend of
>>>>>>>>>>> mine also "quoted" in the same article! one of the articles is
>>>>>>>>>>> titled "How to set
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> table for a blind person", yes, seriously. "How to care for a
>>>>>>>>>>> blind person"...They are Just dripping with condescending
>>>>>>>>>>> dramatic language
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> ideas! They appear to name the NFB (named National Federation
>>>>>>>>>>> FOR the
>>>>>>>> Blind)
>>>>>>>>>>> as a reference!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I strongly encourage you to read the articles in the series and
>>>>>>>>>>> write complaints both individually and as groups, with reasoned
>>>>>>>>>>> argument
>>>>>>>> specific
>>>>>>>>>>> to false points. There are multiple authors, so letters naming
>>>>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> each article are needed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We must get these off the internet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Contact for complaint for eHow:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO HAS COMPLAINT OR KNOWS ANYTHING
>>>>>>>>>>> ACCURATE ABOUT BLINDNESS TO WRITE A FORMAL COMPLAINT TO EHOW!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>> I will be doing it one
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> each ridiculous article!! i believe if they get enough coherent
>>>>>>>>>>> and reasonable complaints they will take these down
>>>>>>>>>>> permanently...as per
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> policy on misinformation!:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Further Information If you have a complaint, you may contact us
>>>>>>>>>>> at eHow, Inc. Legal Department, 5808 Lake Washington Blvd. Ste.
>>>>>>>>>>> 300, Kirkland,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> WA
>>>>>>>>>>> 98033, U.S.A. If you are a California resident, the Complaint
>>>>>>>>>>> Assistance Unit of the Division of Consumer Services of the
>>>>>>>>>>> Dept.
>>>>>>>>>>> of Consumer
>>>>>>>> Affairs
>>>>>>>>>>> may be contacted at 400 R Street, Sacramento, CA 95814 or (800)
>>>>>>>>>>> 952-5210
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Carrie
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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