[nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness

Tue Mar 26 18:22:19 UTC 2013

I agree. I never liked him to begin with.

On 3/26/13, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Howard Stern is just... well, Howard Stern, if that's who it was on
> the show Desiree found.  Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if that's
> who it was at all.
>
> On 3/26/13, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Think of the stretch! I've never met anyone who can actually see their
>> behind without a mirror.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: christopher nusbaum
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:59 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>
>> Although I agree with Desiree and with Josh that this view is absurd,
>> I find it interesting because most of the time people assume that
>> wiping ourselves is an unbearable challenge. I have been asked many
>> times how I wipe myself, but I have never heard the view that we're
>> better at it than the sighted. I wonder, do they really use their
>> vision to help them wipe themselves? Do they look back at, well...
>> what they're wiping when wiping it? If they do, which I think is
>> highly unlikely, I would imagine that wiping would be more of a hassle
>> (as well as a disgusting ordeal) for sighted people than for us!
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2013, at 11:52 PM, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You know, I can't remember exactly when this was, or what show, but I
>>> remember flipping through radio stations once when I was a kid and
>>> stopping on a talk show. I believe it may have been howard Stern, but
>>> don't quote me on that. He said, in a nutshell, that blind people must
>>> be better at wiping than sighted folks after they go to the
>>> bathroom...It was more crudely put than that, but you catch my drift.
>>> Both views are absurd. It's a basic bodily function that is not
>>> dependent on sight!
>>>
>>> On 3/25/13, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> What most disturbs me about this is,:
>>>>
>>>> "She began to tell me, that a blind woman she knew had other
>>>> disabilities, and also "used things to her advantage."  I realized
>>>> what she was getting at, the clustering affect.  One size fits all."
>>>>
>>>> Where in the world did this person come up with the idea that all
>>>> blind people have other disabilities in addition to their blindness,
>>>> or that all use things to their advantage?  I know it's the clustering
>>>> effect, but the fact that these two things are so far fetched is
>>>> shocking to me... it's not just something out of ignorance like, "Do
>>>> you get around by counting steps," or "You must be able to hear
>>>> everything," it's literally assuming that blind people are much less
>>>> capable of even taking care of the simplest bodily function and that
>>>> we're all either too disabled or too lazy to take care of it.
>>>>
>>>> On 3/25/13, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> What? I know a lot of blind people, none of whom use diapers to go to
>>>>> the
>>>>> bathroom after infancy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair
>>>>> Public Relations Committee
>>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of wmodnl
>>>>> wmodnl
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 3:00 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, if we were taking a survey of the oddest questions we were ever
>>>>> asked,
>>>>> I think what I was asked today would go well.
>>>>> Sir, not for nothing, how do you go to the bathroom?  Well, the same
>>>>> way
>>>>> you
>>>>> do.  No, I mean, like, when you are out and not at home. Why don't you
>>>>> use
>>>>> you know like those things for old people, like disabled people?
>>>>> I wanted to put some humor to it, so I said:
>>>>> Remember what used to happen when you pressed the wrong button while
>>>>> dialing
>>>>> in to Verizon?
>>>>> Sorry, that's not an option, try again.
>>>>> She began to tell me, that a blind woman she knew had other
>>>>> disabilities,
>>>>> and also "used things to her advantage."  I realized what she was
>>>>> getting
>>>>> at, the clustering affect.  One size fits all.
>>>>> Have a great day.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 22, 2013, at 10:50 PM, "Brandon Keith Biggs"
>>>>> <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No,
>>>>>> We use these things called food patches we swipe over our arm that
>>>>>> puts
>>>>> the nourishment for a good sized meal into our bloodstream. They are
>>>>> used
>>>>> completely by feel with Braille labels so we don't need any help with
>>>>> them.
>>>>> That way we are never in need of wasting extra time eating and doing
>>>>> this
>>>>> horribly unnatural thing called socializing over dinner. If for some
>>>>> reason
>>>>> we are allergic to the substance excreted by the patches, we can bring
>>>>> around a personalized IV that is permanently attached to our arm,
>>>>> injecting
>>>>> our meals directly into our vain. If a blind person ever touches a
>>>>> fork
>>>>> they
>>>>> are in danger of stabbing themselves in the eye which is in front of
>>>>> them,
>>>>> but because they can't see is magically put in the way of any sharp
>>>>> object
>>>>> they may handle. If they eat solid food they may become poisoned
>>>>> because
>>>>> they can't see the germs to keep from consuming bad food.
>>>>>> In all cases blind people are never to be given dinner except in
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> arm
>>>>> patches.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 7:14 PM
>>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Huh? Don't humans need food to survive? I guess they think blind
>>>>>> people have a very short lifespan then, LOL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair
>>>>>> Public Relations Committee
>>>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>>>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of justin
>>>>>> williams
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:12 PM
>>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've had people ask me or my friends if I would be capable of eating
>>>>>> dinner on a date.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris
>>>>>> Nusbaum
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 8:28 PM
>>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about when a sighted person asks you: "How do you eat? Does
>>>>>> somebody feed you?" Yes, that literally happened to me a couple weeks
>>>>>> ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair
>>>>>> Public Relations Committee
>>>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>>>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua
>>>>>> Lester
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:15 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly!
>>>>>> Also, I get a little adgitated when a sighted person asks me how I
>>>>>> watch
>>>>> TV!
>>>>>> I, of course, explain to them that I listen to what's said, and I can
>>>>>> tell somewhat, what's going on with the sound affects.
>>>>>> Sometimes, audio descriptions would help, though!
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Arielle
>>>>>> Silverman [arielle71 at gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 5:11 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It reminds me of a time when I rented a movie with two blind friends
>>>>>> and my sighted fiancee. We had to keep adjusting our seating
>>>>>> configuration so he could see the video screen (obviously the three
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> us blind folks were just listening, so it didn't matter where we sat
>>>>>> in the room). Eventually it struck me that here was a situation where
>>>>>> the lone sighted person was the one with "special needs" because he
>>>>>> needed
>>>>> an accommodation that we didn't.
>>>>>> Of course I love him dearly and this is not an attack on him or on
>>>>>> sighted people. But it makes you think about where the supposed
>>>>>> tragedy of blindness really comes from. If you alter the group
>>>>>> dynamics just a little bit, blind people can be equal or even
>>>>>> advantaged.
>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/21/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Lol. That is funny.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon
>>>>>>> Keith Biggs
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 4:27 PM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure this is a gag, most of their other articles seem
>>>>>>> pretty ridiculous as well. I may write an article on how to prep a
>>>>>>> room for a sighted person.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Make sure lights are turned on and not facing toward the door.
>>>>>>> Sighted people don't like walking into dark rooms. They also don't
>>>>>>> like walking into
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bright lights, so one needs to find the perfect balance.
>>>>>>> Open the curtains if it is day time, even if it is really warm
>>>>>>> outside and the AC is on. Sighted people love to have the sun
>>>>>>> shining
>>>>>>> into their house even though it raises the electrical bill. Make
>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>> print labels on food and appliances aren't covered by anything so
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> sighted person can feel comfortable reading the familiar labels. If
>>>>>>> there aren't already print labels on something, make sure they are
>>>>>>> printed in at least 12 point font with black letters on a white
>>>>>>> background. Make sure your TV screen is on and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> make sure your computer screen shows what you are doing at all
>>>>>>> times.
>>>>>>> If you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wish to be safe, slow down your screen reader so the sighted person
>>>>>>> won't feel left out of what you are doing.
>>>>>>> If you plan on cooking with the sighted person in the house, make
>>>>>>> sure to wear big gloves, because it raises the anxiety level of the
>>>>>>> sighted person seeing someone cutting and using hot items without
>>>>> protection.
>>>>>>> If you follow all these instructions, you will be able to interact
>>>>>>> with a sighted person comfortably in your house.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Josh Gregory
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:58 PM
>>>>>>> To: Misty Dawn Bradley ; National Association of Blind Students
>>>>>>> mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's all good, we all make mistakes sometimes, :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Misty Dawn Bradley
>>>>>>> <mistydbradley at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> I am sorry, but I meant to say EHow rather than EZine Articles in
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> earlier post.
>>>>>>>> Misty
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin williams"
>>>>>>>> <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:26 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is important to read their trash.  Remember, other people are,
>>>>>>>>> and to their mind, they no things about you.  You can more easily
>>>>>>>>> refute them if you have some idea on what people are saying.  You
>>>>>>>>> can't advocate without proper information.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Josh
>>>>>>>>> Gregory
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:18 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Joshua, you don't want to read their trash, so you say, but you
>>>>>>>>> say that it is important to educate them. I get that, but if you
>>>>>>>>> read it, you can assist in educating them. Doing nothing is not a
>>>>>>>>> good idea here, and when
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> get a chance in a bit, I'm going to find these articles and see
>>>>>>>>> what they're like.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't want to read their trash.
>>>>>>>>>> If they have something negative to say, I'd usually E-Mail them
>>>>>>>>>> and give
>>>>>>>>> them my take on the matter, and teach them some old school NFB
>>>>>>>>> philosophy!
>>>>>>>>>> Does EHow have a captcha on their contact form?
>>>>>>>>>> BTW, the ideas come from the ignorant people that don't know
>>>>>>>>>> anything, and
>>>>>>>>> have never seen a blind person do anything independently!
>>>>>>>>>> We need to do something, and I posted a suggestion on another
>>>>>>>>>> thread that
>>>>>>>>> I just started.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Carrie
>>>>>>>>>> Gilmer
>>>>>>>>> [carrie.gilmer at gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 1:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are no gag. They are on a well viewed and well shared site.
>>>>>>>>>> You think
>>>>>>>>> we all are not tired? Saying nothing does nothing but allows them
>>>>>>>>> to go on, unimpeded. There was just an article about the real and
>>>>>>>>> large problem of employment discrimination for blind people. Where
>>>>>>>>> do the ideas come from?
>>>>>>>>> how do they go on and on and on? Doing nothing does nothing to
>>>>>>>>> correct or stop. It makes me terribly sad and dismayed to hear
>>>>>>>>> "they are not worth my time". Is correcting even one mind which
>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>> affect a blind person's employment or education worth your time?
>>>>>>>>> what if that blind person is you?
>>>>>>>>>> Carrie
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Joshua Lester
>>>>>>>>>> <JLester8462 at pccua.edu>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Those articles aren't worth my time, if they're going to paint a
>>>>>>>>>>> terrible
>>>>>>>>> picture of blindness!
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tired of these negative ideas that come from the 16th
>>>>>>>>>>> century
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> before!
>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Carrie
>>>>>>>>>>> Gilmer
>>>>>>>>> [carrie.gilmer at gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 1:31 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ehow.com/how_2040980_care-blind-person.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There are links on the pages of articles to a good dozen
>>>>>>>>>>> more...one is
>>>>>>>>> also titled "how to feed a blind person"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What kind of blind person can they possibly be depicting? There
>>>>>>>>>>> is no
>>>>>>>>> distinguishing between a newly blinded person from a major auto
>>>>>>>>> accident practically in  a coma or a child with multiple
>>>>>>>>> disabilities, or a 90 year old in feeble health or visually
>>>>>>>>> impaired teenager in good health or a normal person born blind.
>>>>>>>>>>> The aura of tragedy and burden and superhuman challenge abounds.
>>>>>>>>>>> Carrie
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 21, 2013, at 1:00 PM, "justin williams"
>>>>>>>>> <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the articles?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Carrie
>>>>>>>>> Gilmer
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:49 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Kid Mailing List; National Association of Blind
>>>>>>>>>>>> Students
>>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all~
>>>>>>>>>>>> I discovered last night a series of articles written and posted
>>>>>>>>>>>> on eHow concerning blindness. they are misleading at best,
>>>>>>>>>>>> horrifically bad perpetuated falsehoods at worst.  I had only
>>>>>>>>>>>> viewed four of them last
>>>>>>>>> night
>>>>>>>>>>>> and had to stop, I was so upset. This morning a friend pointed
>>>>>>>>>>>> out that
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> was mentioned and partially quoted in another one! I was
>>>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>> unaware,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and found upon reading it, it is in the midst of misleading and
>>>>>>>>>>>> mixed messages and not an accurate portrayal from the article
>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> from our
>>>>>>>>> life!,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe it was pulled from. The same is true for a friend of
>>>>>>>>>>>> mine also "quoted" in the same article! one of the articles is
>>>>>>>>>>>> titled "How to set
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> table for a blind person", yes, seriously. "How to care for a
>>>>>>>>>>>> blind person"...They are Just dripping with condescending
>>>>>>>>>>>> dramatic language
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas! They appear to name the NFB (named National Federation
>>>>>>>>>>>> FOR the
>>>>>>>>> Blind)
>>>>>>>>>>>> as a reference!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I strongly encourage you to read the articles in the series and
>>>>>>>>>>>> write complaints both individually and as groups, with reasoned
>>>>>>>>>>>> argument
>>>>>>>>> specific
>>>>>>>>>>>> to false points. There are multiple authors, so letters naming
>>>>>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> each article are needed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We must get these off the internet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Contact for complaint for eHow:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO HAS COMPLAINT OR KNOWS ANYTHING
>>>>>>>>>>>> ACCURATE ABOUT BLINDNESS TO WRITE A FORMAL COMPLAINT TO
>>>>>>>>>>>> EHOW!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will be doing it one
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> each ridiculous article!! i believe if they get enough coherent
>>>>>>>>>>>> and reasonable complaints they will take these down
>>>>>>>>>>>> permanently...as per
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>> policy on misinformation!:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Further Information If you have a complaint, you may contact us
>>>>>>>>>>>> at eHow, Inc. Legal Department, 5808 Lake Washington Blvd. Ste.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 300, Kirkland,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> WA
>>>>>>>>>>>> 98033, U.S.A. If you are a California resident, the Complaint
>>>>>>>>>>>> Assistance Unit of the Division of Consumer Services of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dept.
>>>>>>>>>>>> of Consumer
>>>>>>>>> Affairs
>>>>>>>>>>>> may be contacted at 400 R Street, Sacramento, CA 95814 or (800)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 952-5210
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Carrie
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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