[nabs-l] braille note and visual monitor was the test accomodations

Wed May 1 02:08:14 UTC 2013

Hello Tyler,
Yes, the em'power has a usb port as well as an old fashioned cerial  port.
Also has infrared capability if that helps.
Hmm, so you meerly tell the braille note to go to visual display and connect 
your monitor.
What sort of monitors can you use? Do you mean a typical monitor that is 
used for a computer?
Could you hook the braille note to a projector or tv screen? Just curious.

Thanks. Sounds like a good way to ensure you are not cheating during a test 
or even for in class writings where others need to see what you wrote.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Littlefield, Tyler
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:23 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations

A serial port does not work for this. The VGA monitors look like a
serial port, but they're not with obvious different pin configurations.
I don't know if the MPower has the right ports on it--if there's a USB
port, you may be able to get a USB to DVI converter and use that to hook
into a DVI monitor. It really depends on the port configuration.
On 4/30/2013 4:09 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
> Ashley,
>
> A serial port should work for this.
>
> Chris
>
> Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair
> Public Relations Committee
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley 
> Bramlett
> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 1:16 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>
> Lilly,
> I like that idea. I have an m'power. What cable do you use to hook a 
> monitor
> to the notetaker?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lillie Pennington
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 9:35 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>
> Out of curiosity. Did the issue of having a  monitor hooked up to your
> Braille note ever come up so the professor or  whoever could see what you
> were doing and not cheating. I like that system as well. It can get dicey
> with graphics in the file or massive word banks.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 29, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> I was a teaching assistant for a large introductory psychology course
>> a few years ago, and was on the other side of the accommodations issue
>> getting disability letters from students who needed extended time or a
>> distraction-free environment for testing. I would send these letters
>> to the instructor who supervised me and he always said he hated
>> working with disability services and much preferred to work out the
>> testing "in-house" between him/me and the student. So I would have
>> students take exams in my office instead of using the testing center
>> because it was less hassle for the instructor that way. If instructors
>> have to go through disability services, they have to prepare their
>> tests early and they also have to often grade the test after everyone
>> else's because they don't get it from disability services until later.
>> I agree that a Braille Note could be a really good compromise between
>> using a Braille test and using a reader. The prof could give you a
>> text file, you could fill it out on your Braille Note and then turn it
>> back in at the same time as all other students. As others have stated,
>> professors may or may not allow this but the only way to find out is
>> to ask. I used my Braille Note for testing for four semesters and I
>> think in that time only one professor insisted I use DSS instead of
>> using my Braille Note.
>>
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 4/29/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Kirt,
>>> okay; then how do you take the exam? with your own laptop? If not,
>>> how do you read the exam?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Kirt
>>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 6:22 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>>>
>>> Ashley,
>>> It might be worth checking if your professor will let you take the
>>> test outside of the testing center. If your relationship with her is
>>> as good as you say it is, what would be the harm in asking, at the
>>> very least?
>>> Incidentally, many of my professors have recommended that I take
>>> their test
>>>
>>> outside of the testing center, even if that's where the rest of the
>>> class takes it.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:57 PM, "Lillie Pennington"
>>> <lilliepennington at fuse.net>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ashley,
>>>> Are you going to be taking classes after this semester? You may want
>>>> to be thinking in the long term of how your going to be fixing these
>>>> types of problems. For example, if your taking another class like
>>>> this where you may want a Braille copy, how do you plan to get it?
>>>> Would you be willing to pay with your own money for a Braille test?
>>>> You could look into getting your tests transcribed somehow. You
>>>> could talk to your future professors about this (you'd probably have
>>>> to make arrangements for them to somehow send the test off to make
>>>> sure that you couldn't possibly cheat.) I recall you mentioning in
>>>> another email that you had a Braille note. How comfortable are you
>>>> with electronic files? The professor may have  an electronic copy of
>>>> the test and you could load it on your Braille note and read from
>>>> there on your display so you are indeed getting a copy in Braille
>>>> (sort of.) For these tests with the foreign language words, and
>>>> other tests in general, this could also iliminate the reader
>>>> problems your having. I don't know if any
>>>>
>>>> of
>>>> this would work, I'm just trying to throw out a few solutions that I
>>>> was thinking of.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
>>>> Bramlett
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:57 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>>>>
>>>> Hi Justin and everyone,
>>>> Oh how I'd love a braille copy. that would eliminate this problem of
>>>> hearing a reader state these words.
>>>> No, they will not provide braille. They have no one to run the
>>>> braille production anymore; I don't know what the assistive technology
> guy left.
>>>> They would have to outsource the brailling and there is no time for
>>>> this.
>>>> Additionally, I asked my disability counselor to get another exam
>>>> brailled last semester. She refused! As I said, she is difficult to
>>>> work with.
>>>> She will do what is minimally required. Her response and argument
>>>> against braille was the following:
>>>> 1. The college is only required to provide access and you can read
>>>> the exam with jaws.
>>>> 2. You are not entitled to your prefered format of an exam.
>>>> 3. No one is available to braille your exam in-house and it is not
>>>> necessary to braille this exam. We won't pay for the outsourcing to
>>>> translate into braille because you have a means to access the exam
>>>> now.
>>>>
>>>> It was a pr exam btw.
>>>> So, I'm sure I cannot get a brailled exam, even if there was enough
>>>> time.
>>>> She would make the same arguments I believe.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: justin williams
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:10 PM
>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>>>>
>>>> At this point, why not.  Not a bad idea.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne
>>>> Germano
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:51 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>>>>
>>>> Can they provide you a Braille copy of the test so you can follow
>>>> along with the reader?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Arielle Silverman <
>>>> Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I really think you will be less stressed and happier if you cut out
>>>>> the DSS middleman, and just work with your professor. As a backup,
>>>>> if the prof is totally unwilling, you can go back to DSS and follow
>>>>> their rules. But you said the prof is helpful, so it's likely he'll
>>>>> be willing to work something out with you that's fair.
>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/27/13, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> What they mean is "if you take the test in our building you have
>>>>>> to use our readers". The DSS policies don't apply to you once you
>>>>>> step out of their office.
>>>>>> I  don't know where other blind students have taken tests with
>>>>>> their private readers, but I'd think you could do it in a
>>>>>> designated testing room in the building where the class is, or you
>>>>>> could go to the professor's office hours and do it there while the
>>>>>> professor is around to ensure you don't cheat.
>>>>>> If you ask the professor, they might be able to offer a reader who
>>>>>> works for the department, like a student worker or an assistant. I
>>>>>> don't know how it works in community colleges, but I know at my
>>>>>> university, the psych department has a huge support staff. This
>>>>>> will help you avoid having to pay out of pocket, though even then
>>>>>> you might end up sacrificing a little bit on reader quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember: the DSS policies are binding on the DSS staff, but
>>>>>> they're not binding on you as the student. The only one who really
>>>>>> has control over how you take tests is the professor. Some
>>>>>> professors give their entire classes online exams. That's their
>>>>>> right as professors
>>>> to do.
>>>>>> If the professor trusts you enough to let you use your own reader,
>>>>>> or to use your laptop in class, or any of a number of other
>>>>>> accommodations, that's their decision to make.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/27/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Arielle,
>>>>>>> So you're suggesting that the professor and student which is me
>>>>>>> arrange for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a private reader I hire to take the exam.
>>>>>>> Where would I take the exam then? I'll have to check if this
>>>>>>> violates school
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> policy.
>>>>>>> Are you saying that you know blind students using their own
>>>>>>> readers for exams with no objection from the professor? Where
>>>>>>> would they take the exam and how does the professor ensure that
>>>>>>> you did not cheat then?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Arielle Silverman
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:03 PM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, a DSS office cannot legislate what you do outside of their
>>>>>>> office.
>>>>>>> If you and the professor agree that you will use a reader you
>>>>>>> hired yourself, the DSS office cannot step in and veto that
>>>>>>> arrangement you worked out with your professor. The DSS office
>>>>>>> only has authority if you give it to them by asking to take the
>>>>>>> test in their
>>>> office.
>>>>>>> Hiring your own readers for testing is only a problem if the
>>>>>>> professor has an objection to it. Many professors are quite
>>>>>>> laid-back about things like that, even if they are technically
>>>>>>> not quite in line with school policy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/26/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sounds like a possible ADA case if it gets to far.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> Ashley Bramlett
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:21 PM
>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Arielle,
>>>>>>>> oOh, um, this is a community college. I'm finished my BA degree
>>>>>>>> but taking classes to further my studies and get a writing
>>>>>>>> certificate. The class
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> need a competent reader for is religion.
>>>>>>>> No a TA won't work. Also, Its community college.
>>>>>>>> you make it sound easy. Gee, I do wish I could get my own readers.
>>>>> Gosh.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> can think of like 20 people who would be competent readers and
>>>>>>>> have a clue how to read such a test. But no, they don't allow me
>>>>>>>> to do this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do indeed have my own readers for studying and reading texts
>>>>>>>> and looking up material and research, but no I cannot bring a
>>>>>>>> reader to the exam. Personally, I think this is a legal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> matter and they need to change the policy so you can have the
>>>>>>>> option
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> bring your own competent reader as an accomodation under the ADA.
>>>>>>>> Its not fair, not equal access, and can cause one to get a lower
>>>>>>>> grade using bad readers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Arielle Silverman
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 7:45 PM
>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] the test accomodations
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can also ask the professor if the teaching assistant can
>>>>>>>> read/scribe your exam, if there is one for the class. Most
>>>>>>>> teaching assistants are graduate students or advanced
>>>>>>>> undergraduates in the department and should know the material
>>>>>>>> well, and since they're trusted employees of the professor, they
>>>>>>>> are trusted not to help you cheat. Plus, many TA's have nothing
>>>>>>>> else to do during an exam and would otherwise just be sitting
>>>>>>>> around. If the class has no teaching assistant, as in a
>>>>>>>> community college, maybe the professor could read it for you and
>>>>>>>> scribe your answers during office hours the day before the test or
> some such?
>>>>>>>> I know that blind students have hired their own readers for
>>>>>>>> testing, which allows them to pick people who are competent.
>>>>>>>> Some disability services offices frown on this practice because
>>>>>>>> they prefer to hire and manage readers themselves, but it's an
>>>>>>>> option that's at least worth discussing with your professor, who
>>>>>>>> might not
>>>> care much.
>>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/27/13, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I haven't used readers since I am a partial and use cctv but
>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>> disabled students pay for a chemistry lab aid I insisted the
>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> chem major and an A student.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So maybe you could find your readers through the department.
>>>>>>>>> And then you interview them by having them read to you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Kirt
>>>>>>>>> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I'm in the middle of the nightmare that is transferring
>>>>>>>>>> between colleges, but the college I am leaving almost always
>>>>>>>>>> provided me with
>>>> competent
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> capable readers. Sure, they might pronounce a few words
>>>>>>>>>> incorrectly But they knew how to read out loud.  I hope I
>>>>>>>>>> don't run into the same problem you are dealing with right now
>>>>>>>>>> and my next college.
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2013, at 11:21 AM, "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>>>>>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As finals approach, I wanted to know what test accomodations
>>>>>>>>>>> you get.
>>>>>>>>>>> Do
>>>>>>>>>> you feel they are adaquate and meet your needs?
>>>>>>>>>>> If you need a reader and person to scribe your answers on a
>>>>>>>>>>> scantron,
>>>>>>>>>> how are they? Are they competent readers?
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going through a discriminatory situation now. Most my
>>>>>>>>>>> readers were
>>>>>>>>>> incompetent but I got around that by asking them to speak
>>>>>>>>>> slower and repeat things; I mean they could not speak all that
>>>>>>>>>> clearly and read fast
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> spoke to the paper not articulately to me. Many exams I took
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>> jaws
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> avoid this; I feel this way is slower for me and a reader can
>>>>> directly
>>>>>>>>>> mark
>>>>>>>>>> my answers on a scantron as well as go back to questions I 
>>>>>>>>>> missed.
>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> need a reader scribe I should be given a competent reader.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll tell more about this specific test issue in another 
>>>>>>>>>>> message.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Look forward to seeing your responses.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ashley
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