[nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program

Fri May 3 07:19:37 UTC 2013

Sophie,
  I disagree with you.  Slightly.  When working withlong devision,
multivariable augmented matrices, tables with over fifteen collums
and/or rows, synthetic substitution, synthetic devision, systems of
equasions with more than three variables...paper braille is definitely
not obsce+leete.  Try doing all that on a single-line refreshable
braille display, and I think you'll probably find yourself agreeing
with me.

On 5/2/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm getting a 40 sell. Is that what you have?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 1:42 AM
> To: dburke at cocenter.org; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>
> Hi all,
>
> On a more general academic note, it is also better for most people most of
> the time to use the braille display simply because it is more convenient
> then shlepping around volumes upon volumes of braille books.  Sophie
> brought
> up an excellent point; the world is quickly moving away from paper, (even
> sighted people too, that's why the post offices are in so much trouble as
> of
> recent years).  I can also say from experience that carrying a sub five
> pound notetaker around along with a few flashdrives or sd cards is a lot
> more feasible than carrying around a backpack stuffed with braille.  I
> don't
> miss the days from high school when I had multiple volumes of math books, a
> Genetics book that we loaned from APH for my Genetics class, Psychology
> textbooks also in hardcopy braille from APH, and music theory textbooks
> from
> NLS.  Granted, all those subjects except for psychology warrant the use of
> hardcopy braille, but I don't know what I would have done if I had embossed
> history and English textbooks on top of the ones I already had.  I, and my
> back, really appreciate the lighter backpack I have now that my college ds
> office just makes electronic files for me which I can read from my computer
> with Jaws or on my BrailleSense.  I'm also a huge stickler about actually
> reading braille as opposed to listening to someone else read it all the
> time
> too, (with the exception of textbooks since it's convenient to read and
> fill
> out homework or notes as you go on a laptop), but I can say at least from
> my
> experiences that there isn't a major difference other than size and weight
> in using a refreshable display instead of embossed braille.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> On 5/2/13, Dan Burke <dburke at cocenter.org> wrote:
>> Mr. Biggs thank you for your comment about poetry in Braille.  I
>> confess that is one of my personal passions, and the only effective
>> way to read poetry for a blind person is in Braille.  Certainly not a
>> recording from Learning Ally or a PDF with JAWS.  Again an excellent
>> argument in favor of a more flexible format that can be converted to
>> Braille or read with a Braille display.
>>
>> While there are great advantages to reading poetry with paper Braille,
>> I have read the vast majority of it as blind person on a refreshable
>> Braille display.
>>
>> There are a couple of advantages of doing so, I think, as a student.
>> First,
>> I used rich text files and brf files.  These are fairly generic and
>> work on any note taker or in any platform or word processor.  But you
>> can also make notes or annotations in the text if you are so inclined.
>>
>> Best,
>> Dan
>> 	
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon
>> Keith Biggs
>> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:06 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>
>> Hello,
>> Poetry is probably the only class you will want to consider reading
>> the words in a hard copy. The refreshable Braille display is perfectly
>> built for continuous reading. If you are a musician, in particular a
>> vocalist, I would say you would really want to use an embosser, but
>> that is only because in order to read one line of music, one needs to
>> read 3 lines or more at the same time. But even still there are people
>> who manage to use a Braille display for that.
>> I have been rash and bought pieces of expensive equipment I have not
>> used, so if I were you, I'd be very cautious and even manage to try
>> out the equipment for a week or so to see how you like it. If you are
>> going to be reading the book once, then placing it on your bookshelf,
>> embossed books will become very cumbersome very fast.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sophie Trist
>> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 1:27 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>
>> Helga, in addition to agreeing with everything Kirt said, I also
>> believe there's another extremely relevant reason why you should try
>> reading with the braillenote's display. Paper braille is becoming
>> obsolete. I may get some flack on the list for this, but it is true.
>> I'm a sophomore in high school, and for the past two years or so, more
>> and more of my assignments have either been emailed to me or put on a
>> flash drive. The world is moving away from paper (well, the blind
>> world, at least) and toward computers, and in your future place of
>> employment, it would be very unrealistic to expect paper braille in
>> anything. I'm not trying to be harsh or mean, I'm just making a point.
>>
>> Cheers from your fellow future English major, Sophie
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>> To: dburke at cocenter.org, National Association of Blind Students
>> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Thu, 2 May 2013 10:42:41
>> -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>
>> Helga,
>>   I'd personally try to read your books with the refreshable braille
>> display first.  There are two reasons for this.  First, you might
>> discover that the braille note refreshable braille display does, in
>> fact, work for you...in which case you won't need an embosser at all
>> for the vast majority of things; advanced math and some few science
>> classes being the exception, perhaps.  Second, and perhaps more
>> relivant to you, your rehab counselor will probably ask you why you
>> can't just use the braille note braille display for your braille
>> reading.  Having become familiar with the refreshable braille, you
>> will be more able to provide adequett justification for why you need
>> an embosser instead of just the braille note.
>>   Hope that helps,
>> Kirt
>>
>> On 5/2/13, Dan Burke <dburke at cocenter.org> wrote:
>> If I may offer some information even though I'm not a student ..  I
>> worked for a Ds office for many years, and for the last number of
>> years I supervised the alternate formats aspect of the office.
>>
>> First, have you signed up for Bookshare? There are lots of text books
>> available in electronic formats that your Braille note can read, or
>> that can be read on your iPhone or with JAWS.
>>
>> Next Helga, if Bookshare doesn't have your texts your DS office may
>> need to give you a better format.  They would need to do that f
>> Braille is your preferred format and there is a compelling reason that
>> PDF isn't good enough.  That English is your second language and that
>> your major requires reading and comprehending complex literature (and
>> what major doesn't?), is a compelling argument in my opinion.  You
>> need to make that clear to the DS office, but you will very likely
>> have to push it if you really want it.
>> They can easily give you a MS Word format, for example, if the text is
>> not available at Bookshare.  But you will have a good bit of work
>> ahead of you turning a PDF into any kind of Braille document.
>>
>> Personally, I think that PDF is a terrible format for just about
>> anything.
>>
>> With a Word file, you can do a couple of things.  Of course you could
>> read it with your note taker's refreshable Braille display.  It is
>> likely that the DS office will stand their ground on that and not offer
> paper Braille.
>> With a Word file you could also use Duxbury and print your own paper
>> Braille, which you have obviously thought about.  But you may need to
>> press the DS office by looking at campus options for due process - in
>> other words, a complaint - if they don't agree to provide you with a
>> format other than PDF.
>>
>> And the other thing is that Voc Rehab's excuse that embossers are
>> expensive just isn't good enough.  Your reasons for having one are
>> pretty good.  If they are to deny this bit of technology, they need to
>> do so on the basis that it isn't related to your vocational goal.
>> They can't say it's too expensive once you are already in an
> Individualized Plan for Employment.
>> Again, you will likely have to push this.  You can start by asking
>> your VR counselor for information on your rights to appeal. This is
>> something they are required to provide.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:50 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>
>> Hi all, this is Helga. I just
>> would like to ask you guys, Do you know where can I get a Dux Bury
>> program and a Braille printer that is compatible with the BrailleNote
>> apex for a cheap price? The Reason I'm asking is because I like to
>> read Braille because is my prefer way of reading especially when I'm
>> reading stories that are hard to understand the wording. I'm actually
>> doing an English major where I need to take Literature classes that
>> involve a lot of reading.
>> Actually,
>> this semester I took American Literature before 1865, and it was very
>> challenging for me because the only accessable format of the Book
>> that DSS provided me was PDF format, and and I got a audio cd from
>> Learning Ally. It was helpful, but not enough to understand the
>> stories since my first Language is not English, even though I speak
>> it, I'm still working on my comprehension of words. I also talked to
>> my DBS counceler about this and she told me that she would not buy me
>> the Braille printer because is very expensive. I really Think a
>> Braille paper copy of a reading will really help me a lot since I'm
>> thinking in taking American Literature after
>> 1865 in the
>> Fall semester.
>> Thank you guys for listening to me. I really appreciate it. God bless!
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