[nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program

justin williams justin.williams2 at gmail.com
Thu May 2 19:30:07 UTC 2013 

How much does that calculator cost, and how well does it work?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 3:26 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program

Hi all,

Me too.  I'm kicking myself for it, but had I known APH was coming out with
the graphing calculator back in November I would have waited to take college
statistics instead of just tried to get it over with.
However, Excel did a pretty good job of handling most of the formulas.
 My class was graphing calculator-based so there were a few things the other
students could do on their calculators that I could not do in Excel, but it
was nothing we couldn't work around by my teacher changing the problem to
have me interpret an equasion and demonstrate I understood how it functioned
rather than actually fight with Excel to get a calculation it couldn't
really do.

Justin, I don't have one personally but my Disabilities office has a
Focus40 Braille Display for me to use at school and I love it.  The
Brailliant is also a very good display too, so either way I think you can't
go wrong with the 40 cell displays unless you really want something more
portable. for travel.  I found they work well though.

On 5/2/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hos did your seminar go?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> christopher nusbaum
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 2:40 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>
> The American printing House for the blind.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 3, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Anna Givens <annajee82 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What is APH?
>>
>> Anna
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 3, 2013, at 9:53 AM, christopher nusbaum 
>> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> It could probably work for making graphs and such. I'm interested in 
>>> trying out the new graphing calculator APH is coming out with.
>>>
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 3, 2013, at 10:08 AM, justin williams 
>>> <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah,  I remember my college algebra course.  I don't even want to 
>>>> think about trying that on a 40 cell braille display.  Wonder if 
>>>> excel would
> work
>>>> in algebra?
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 3:22 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>>>
>>>> Sophie,
>>>> Try doing college algebra on a single line braille display, just 
>>>> give it
> a
>>>> shot, and I think you'll be singing quite a different tune. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On May 2, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Helga, in addition to agreeing with everything Kirt said, I also
> believe
>>>> there's another extremely relevant reason why you should try 
>>>> reading
> with
>>>> the braillenote's display. Paper braille is becoming obsolete. I 
>>>> may get some flack on the list for this, but it is true. I'm a 
>>>> sophomore in high school, and for the past two years or so, more 
>>>> and more of my
> assignments
>>>> have either been emailed to me or put on a flash drive. The world 
>>>> is
> moving
>>>> away from paper (well, the blind world, at least) and toward 
>>>> computers,
> and
>>>> in your future place of employment, it would be very unrealistic to
> expect
>>>> paper braille in anything. I'm not trying to be harsh or mean, I'm 
>>>> just making a point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers from your fellow future English major, Sophie
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>>>>> To: dburke at cocenter.org, National Association of Blind Students 
>>>>> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Thu, 2 May 2013 
>>>>> 10:42:41
>>>>> -0600
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>>>>
>>>>> Helga,
>>>>> I'd personally try to read your books with the refreshable braille 
>>>>> display first.  There are two reasons for this.  First, you might 
>>>>> discover that the braille note refreshable braille display does, 
>>>>> in fact, work for you...in which case you won't need an embosser 
>>>>> at all for the vast majority of things; advanced math and some few 
>>>>> science classes being the exception, perhaps.  Second, and perhaps 
>>>>> more relivant to you, your rehab counselor will probably ask you 
>>>>> why you can't just use the braille note braille display for your 
>>>>> braille reading.  Having become familiar with the refreshable 
>>>>> braille, you will be more able to provide adequett justification 
>>>>> for why you need an embosser instead of just the braille note.
>>>>> Hope that helps,
>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/2/13, Dan Burke <dburke at cocenter.org> wrote:
>>>>> If I may offer some information even though I'm not a student ..  
>>>>> I worked for a Ds office for many years, and for the last number 
>>>>> of years I supervised the alternate formats aspect of the office.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, have you signed up for Bookshare? There are lots of text 
>>>>> books available in electronic formats that your Braille note can 
>>>>> read, or that can be read on your iPhone or with JAWS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next Helga, if Bookshare doesn't have your texts your DS office 
>>>>> may need to give you a better format.  They would need to do that 
>>>>> f Braille is your preferred format and there is a compelling 
>>>>> reason that PDF isn't good enough.  That English is your second 
>>>>> language and that your major requires reading and comprehending 
>>>>> complex literature (and what major doesn't?), is a compelling 
>>>>> argument in my opinion.  You need to make that clear to the DS 
>>>>> office, but you will very likely have to push it if you really want
it.
>>>>> They can easily give you a MS Word format, for example, if the 
>>>>> text is not available at Bookshare.  But you will have a good bit 
>>>>> of work ahead of you turning a PDF into any kind of Braille document.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I think that PDF is a terrible format for just about
> anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> With a Word file, you can do a couple of things.  Of course you 
>>>>> could read it with your note taker's refreshable Braille display.  
>>>>> It is likely that the DS office will stand their ground on that 
>>>>> and not offer
>>>> paper Braille.
>>>>> With a Word file you could also use Duxbury and print your own 
>>>>> paper Braille, which you have obviously thought about.  But you 
>>>>> may need to press the DS office by looking at campus options for 
>>>>> due process - in other words, a complaint - if they don't agree to 
>>>>> provide you with a format other than PDF.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the other thing is that Voc Rehab's excuse that embossers are 
>>>>> expensive just isn't good enough.  Your reasons for having one are 
>>>>> pretty good.  If they are to deny this bit of technology, they 
>>>>> need to do so on the basis that it isn't related to your vocational
goal.
>>>>> They can't say it's too expensive once you are already in an
>>>> Individualized Plan for Employment.
>>>>> Again, you will likely have to push this.  You can start by asking 
>>>>> your VR counselor for information on your rights to appeal. This 
>>>>> is something they are required to provide.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:50 PM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all, this is Helga. I just
>>>>> would like to ask you guys, Do you know where can I get a Dux Bury 
>>>>> program and a Braille printer that is compatible with the 
>>>>> BrailleNote apex for a cheap price? The Reason I'm asking is 
>>>>> because I like to read Braille because is my prefer way of reading 
>>>>> especially when I'm reading stories that are hard to understand 
>>>>> the wording. I'm actually doing an English major where I need to 
>>>>> take Literature classes that involve a lot of reading. Actually, 
>>>>> this semester I took American Literature before 1865, and it was 
>>>>> very challenging for me because the only accessable format of the 
>>>>> Book  that DSS provided me was PDF format, and and I got a audio 
>>>>> cd from Learning Ally. It was helpful, but not enough to 
>>>>> understand the stories since my first Language is not English, 
>>>>> even though I speak it, I'm still working on my comprehension of 
>>>>> words. I also talked to my DBS counceler about this and she told 
>>>>> me that she would not buy me the Braille printer because is very 
>>>>> expensive. I really Think a Braille paper copy of a reading will 
>>>>> really help me a lot since I'm thinking in taking American Literature
after 1865 in the Fall semester.
>>>>> Thank you guys for listening to me. I really appreciate it. God bless!
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