[nabs-l] RELast I checked I wasn't spam.
Ashley Griggs
ashleymuzicyeah at att.net
Tue May 21 02:46:08 UTC 2013
Hi, I think someone on the list already cleared this up. Thank you for that. Just for the record, I am definitely not spam. I'm an actual person who really is going to convention and asking about roommates. Sometimes what the internet has done to us as humans makes me sad. Let's try this again. Hi, I'm Ashley! Glad to be part of the list and looking forward to meeting as many of you as I can at convention.
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class for next semester (Arielle Silverman)
3. Re: requesting some advice about choosing a college science
class for next semester (Suzanne Germano)
4. Re: requesting some advice about choosing a college science
class for next semester (Aleeha Dudley)
5. Waitlist Question (Jordan Richardson)
6. Re: two questions that are completely unrelated to oneanother
(Sophie Trist)
7. Re: NVDA (Justin Young)
8. Re: two questions that are completely unrelated to oneanother
(Kaiti Shelton)
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(Arielle Silverman)
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(Sophie Trist)
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(Arielle Silverman)
12. Re: Waitlist Question (Arielle Silverman)
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14. Before the Black: Dealing with Impending Blindness (Joe)
15. Re: two questions that are completely unrelated to oneanother
(Greg Aikens)
16. Re: NVDA (Ashley Coleman)
17. Re: NVDA (Josh Gregory)
18. National Convention Room ates? (Ashley Griggs)
19. Re: two questions that are completely unrelated tooneanother
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20. Fire Walls (Gloria G)
21. Re: The Epic Philosophy call. (Jedi Moerke)
22. Re: requesting some advice about choosing a college science
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23. Re: requesting some advice about choosing a college science
class for next semester (Arielle Silverman)
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28. Re: Fire Walls (Anjelina)
29. Re: requesting some advice about choosing a college science
class for next semester (Ashley Bramlett)
30. Re: requesting some advice about choosing a college science
class for next semester (Kaiti Shelton)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 13:07:55 -0400
From: "Wasif, Zunaira" <Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
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You have the right to fight for this class, but do you want to fight?
You may be able to take a different class, Music Appreciation or
something else you enjoy. Perhaps you can discuss other options with
your Dean. Are you interested in this geology class? If you really
want to take it then go for it!
Zunaira
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti
Shelton
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:33 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
science class for next semester
I absolutely agree with what has been stated. This professor has no
right to pick and choose whether you take his class, (he can't pick and
choose his sighted students, right?) If this is the class you need to
take then your disability services people need to help advocate for you
and set the record straight with this guy. And, if push comes to shove
then you may need to file an ADA complaint about that professor, which
your DS office should be able to help you with as well.
On the issue of textbooks, the sooner you can figure out what you need
and get it to the appropriate people the better, be that Bookshare, your
DS office, or somewhere else. A few other places you might want to
check are APH and the library of congress. I have never taken a geology
course before, but I know APH has published several books of tactile
diagrams for different subjects which could get you what you need and
save time for the DS office that they can use to work on otther aspects
of your textbooks. A lot of APH's books are also available for free
loans and you could send them back when you're done with the class. NLS
might also have some textbooks on geology which you can also borrow for
free.
On 5/20/13, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> It is not up to the professor whether or not you take a class. If you
> sign up for the class, they are obligated to make all reasonable
accommodations.
> A good accommodation for this class might be an yb-class assistant
> (provided by your school's disability iddyxe)who could describe what
> each rock looks like. Then, when test time came, you would have to
> remember the descriptions and also weight when appropriate, and
> identify the rock based on information you ask for, such as what color
is it or does it have any marbling.
> This professor is being rude and discriminatory. If you really want to
> take the geology of rocks, there is no reason you couldn't. I just
> finished a geu-semester course in biology. The lab for the first
> course (microbiology )was almost exclusively microscope work. However,
> the disability office assigned me a lab assistant and many of the
> things that we were looking at under the microscope also had a tactile
> drawing. These accommodations helped me get a B in the class. What I
> am trying to say is that if microscope work can be made accessible,
surely so can rock geology.
> If your disability office and the dean of sciences can't or won't
> fight this discrimination on your behalf, you will have to fight
> harder if you want this class. You could go to the dean of students, a
> local disability efficacy group if one is nearby, abd/or contact your
NFB state president.
> Any of these should be able to help you. The most important thing is
> to stand up for your right to take any class you have met the
> prerequisites for, and be ready for a fight. If things don't go
> smoothly, you could be looking at a lawsuit.
> Now, lets tackle the issue of books. If you know which book or books
> you will need for next semester, great! An easy way to get the books
> would be to send a request to Bookshare. On the Bookshare page, select
> Contact Us, then select Requesting a Textbook from the dtuo-down menu.
> Tell them the book's title, author, edition, and, if you know it, its
> ISBN. Processing a textbook request is fast, but it takes two to three
> months before the book will be available through Bookshare. I have
> used this method when I knew the book far enough in advance, and the
> books are gufg-quality scans. The only drawback is the lack of
> alternative descriptions for pictures. Another method of obtaining
> your books is by requesting that the disability office provide you
> with accessible text. My disability office, for example, will take a
> copy of the book (you have to purchase it for ugrn), and scan each
> page with OCR, creating accessible text in a Word document. Then they
> go over it for errors, add page numbers and headings, and sometimes
> add alternative descriptions of pictures. Get the books to them as
> soon as possible, because most disability offices have to process a
> very large number of textbooks. Just be sure your disability office
does this before you purchase the books.
> I hope that has helped you, and I wish you the best of luck!
> -Jewel
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 20, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Joshua Hendrickson <louvins at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> --
>> Joshua T Hendrickson
>>
>> Hello to all. I'm glad to be a part of this list. I am very close
>> to getting my Associates of Arts degree. The only class I need to
>> take, is a geology science class with no lab. I met with a counselor
>> and I was going to take a class called Geology 206 which was all
>> about rocks and things like that. The Dean of The science department
>> had suggested I take this class, but there is a major problem. The
>> teacher of this class doesn't want me to take the class. This is
>> extremely frustrating. I had went to my disability support office,
>> and asked Gloria to call the teacher and find out when I could meet
>> with him to talk about what acomidations I would need for the
>> upcoming class, the teacher wouldn't even talk to me on the phone.
>> He told gloria, there would be no way I could tell the different
rocks apart.
>> I was going to take this same class a couple semesters before but in
>> the summer not in the fall like I still might take this class. Lynn
>> who heads the disability department talked with the dean of science
>> again, and now people are suggesting that I take an online class
>> called geology of the solar system. Lynn told me she thought I
>> should take this class, because the lady who taught the class was
>> supportive and didn't mind if I take this class. I don't really want
>> to take an online class, because I don't know how accessible it will
>> be with jaws. I was sent an email with a link to a page that was
>> kind of set up like what the online course would look like, but it
>> was very confusing. Since there isn't much there as far as
>> assignments, or discussion questions, its very hard for me to figure
>> out if jaws will be able to read what needs to be read. I'm going to
>> meet tomorrow with Lyn, and the teacher of this online course, to see
>> if I should take this class, although, I am already registered for
>> the lecture based geology rock class with the teacher who doesn't
>> even want me in his class. Also, I don't even have any accessible
>> textbooks for either class yet, that is another concern. Thanks for
>> reading this message.
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 11:29:29 -0600
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
science class for next semester
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This professor is discriminating against you and that is unacceptable.
Your disability office should advocate for you. If they don't, then go
ahead and talk to the chair of the geology department or an associate
dean or dean for the college. You may also be able to file an ADA
complaint. While it's up to you how much or how long you want to
fight, I think it's worth thinking about trying to prevent this
professor from discriminating against other students in the future.
There are many ways you can gain access to the course material,
distinguish the rocks, etc. that don't cost the college much if
anything at all. We can help you decide which accommodations to use
but first you will need the professor to let you into the class. You
can tell the professor that many blind students have taken geology
courses and that you have help and support from other blind students,
so the professor won't have to research the accommodations for you.
Arielle
On 5/20/13, Wasif, Zunaira <Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org> wrote:
> You have the right to fight for this class, but do you want to fight?
> You may be able to take a different class, Music Appreciation or
> something else you enjoy. Perhaps you can discuss other options with
> your Dean. Are you interested in this geology class? If you really
> want to take it then go for it!
> Zunaira
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti
> Shelton
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:33 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
> science class for next semester
>
> I absolutely agree with what has been stated. This professor has no
> right to pick and choose whether you take his class, (he can't pick and
> choose his sighted students, right?) If this is the class you need to
> take then your disability services people need to help advocate for you
> and set the record straight with this guy. And, if push comes to shove
> then you may need to file an ADA complaint about that professor, which
> your DS office should be able to help you with as well.
>
> On the issue of textbooks, the sooner you can figure out what you need
> and get it to the appropriate people the better, be that Bookshare, your
> DS office, or somewhere else. A few other places you might want to
> check are APH and the library of congress. I have never taken a geology
> course before, but I know APH has published several books of tactile
> diagrams for different subjects which could get you what you need and
> save time for the DS office that they can use to work on otther aspects
> of your textbooks. A lot of APH's books are also available for free
> loans and you could send them back when you're done with the class. NLS
> might also have some textbooks on geology which you can also borrow for
> free.
>
> On 5/20/13, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It is not up to the professor whether or not you take a class. If you
>> sign up for the class, they are obligated to make all reasonable
> accommodations.
>> A good accommodation for this class might be an yb-class assistant
>> (provided by your school's disability iddyxe)who could describe what
>> each rock looks like. Then, when test time came, you would have to
>> remember the descriptions and also weight when appropriate, and
>> identify the rock based on information you ask for, such as what color
> is it or does it have any marbling.
>> This professor is being rude and discriminatory. If you really want to
>
>> take the geology of rocks, there is no reason you couldn't. I just
>> finished a geu-semester course in biology. The lab for the first
>> course (microbiology )was almost exclusively microscope work. However,
>
>> the disability office assigned me a lab assistant and many of the
>> things that we were looking at under the microscope also had a tactile
>
>> drawing. These accommodations helped me get a B in the class. What I
>> am trying to say is that if microscope work can be made accessible,
> surely so can rock geology.
>> If your disability office and the dean of sciences can't or won't
>> fight this discrimination on your behalf, you will have to fight
>> harder if you want this class. You could go to the dean of students, a
>
>> local disability efficacy group if one is nearby, abd/or contact your
> NFB state president.
>> Any of these should be able to help you. The most important thing is
>> to stand up for your right to take any class you have met the
>> prerequisites for, and be ready for a fight. If things don't go
>> smoothly, you could be looking at a lawsuit.
>> Now, lets tackle the issue of books. If you know which book or books
>> you will need for next semester, great! An easy way to get the books
>> would be to send a request to Bookshare. On the Bookshare page, select
>
>> Contact Us, then select Requesting a Textbook from the dtuo-down menu.
>
>> Tell them the book's title, author, edition, and, if you know it, its
>> ISBN. Processing a textbook request is fast, but it takes two to three
>
>> months before the book will be available through Bookshare. I have
>> used this method when I knew the book far enough in advance, and the
>> books are gufg-quality scans. The only drawback is the lack of
>> alternative descriptions for pictures. Another method of obtaining
>> your books is by requesting that the disability office provide you
>> with accessible text. My disability office, for example, will take a
>> copy of the book (you have to purchase it for ugrn), and scan each
>> page with OCR, creating accessible text in a Word document. Then they
>> go over it for errors, add page numbers and headings, and sometimes
>> add alternative descriptions of pictures. Get the books to them as
>> soon as possible, because most disability offices have to process a
>> very large number of textbooks. Just be sure your disability office
> does this before you purchase the books.
>> I hope that has helped you, and I wish you the best of luck!
>> -Jewel
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 20, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Joshua Hendrickson <louvins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> --
>>> Joshua T Hendrickson
>>>
>>> Hello to all. I'm glad to be a part of this list. I am very close
>>> to getting my Associates of Arts degree. The only class I need to
>>> take, is a geology science class with no lab. I met with a counselor
>
>>> and I was going to take a class called Geology 206 which was all
>>> about rocks and things like that. The Dean of The science department
>
>>> had suggested I take this class, but there is a major problem. The
>>> teacher of this class doesn't want me to take the class. This is
>>> extremely frustrating. I had went to my disability support office,
>>> and asked Gloria to call the teacher and find out when I could meet
>>> with him to talk about what acomidations I would need for the
>>> upcoming class, the teacher wouldn't even talk to me on the phone.
>>> He told gloria, there would be no way I could tell the different
> rocks apart.
>>> I was going to take this same class a couple semesters before but in
>>> the summer not in the fall like I still might take this class. Lynn
>>> who heads the disability department talked with the dean of science
>>> again, and now people are suggesting that I take an online class
>>> called geology of the solar system. Lynn told me she thought I
>>> should take this class, because the lady who taught the class was
>>> supportive and didn't mind if I take this class. I don't really want
>
>>> to take an online class, because I don't know how accessible it will
>>> be with jaws. I was sent an email with a link to a page that was
>>> kind of set up like what the online course would look like, but it
>>> was very confusing. Since there isn't much there as far as
>>> assignments, or discussion questions, its very hard for me to figure
>>> out if jaws will be able to read what needs to be read. I'm going to
>
>>> meet tomorrow with Lyn, and the teacher of this online course, to see
>
>>> if I should take this class, although, I am already registered for
>>> the lecture based geology rock class with the teacher who doesn't
>>> even want me in his class. Also, I don't even have any accessible
>>> textbooks for either class yet, that is another concern. Thanks for
>>> reading this message.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>
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> Kaiti
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 11:59:11 -0700
From: Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
science class for next semester
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I am sure it is for a science requirement to graduate so it can not be any
class.
I would take it up with disabled student services, then I would go to dean
of the geology then I would go up the ladder until I got that instructor on
probation or fired.
The instructor would be fired if he said someone could not take the class
because they were black yet they can get away with discriminating against
blind.
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Wasif, Zunaira <
Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org> wrote:
> You have the right to fight for this class, but do you want to fight?
> You may be able to take a different class, Music Appreciation or
> something else you enjoy. Perhaps you can discuss other options with
> your Dean. Are you interested in this geology class? If you really
> want to take it then go for it!
> Zunaira
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti
> Shelton
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:33 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
> science class for next semester
>
> I absolutely agree with what has been stated. This professor has no
> right to pick and choose whether you take his class, (he can't pick and
> choose his sighted students, right?) If this is the class you need to
> take then your disability services people need to help advocate for you
> and set the record straight with this guy. And, if push comes to shove
> then you may need to file an ADA complaint about that professor, which
> your DS office should be able to help you with as well.
>
> On the issue of textbooks, the sooner you can figure out what you need
> and get it to the appropriate people the better, be that Bookshare, your
> DS office, or somewhere else. A few other places you might want to
> check are APH and the library of congress. I have never taken a geology
> course before, but I know APH has published several books of tactile
> diagrams for different subjects which could get you what you need and
> save time for the DS office that they can use to work on otther aspects
> of your textbooks. A lot of APH's books are also available for free
> loans and you could send them back when you're done with the class. NLS
> might also have some textbooks on geology which you can also borrow for
> free.
>
> On 5/20/13, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > It is not up to the professor whether or not you take a class. If you
> > sign up for the class, they are obligated to make all reasonable
> accommodations.
> > A good accommodation for this class might be an yb-class assistant
> > (provided by your school's disability iddyxe)who could describe what
> > each rock looks like. Then, when test time came, you would have to
> > remember the descriptions and also weight when appropriate, and
> > identify the rock based on information you ask for, such as what color
> is it or does it have any marbling.
> > This professor is being rude and discriminatory. If you really want to
>
> > take the geology of rocks, there is no reason you couldn't. I just
> > finished a geu-semester course in biology. The lab for the first
> > course (microbiology )was almost exclusively microscope work. However,
>
> > the disability office assigned me a lab assistant and many of the
> > things that we were looking at under the microscope also had a tactile
>
> > drawing. These accommodations helped me get a B in the class. What I
> > am trying to say is that if microscope work can be made accessible,
> surely so can rock geology.
> > If your disability office and the dean of sciences can't or won't
> > fight this discrimination on your behalf, you will have to fight
> > harder if you want this class. You could go to the dean of students, a
>
> > local disability efficacy group if one is nearby, abd/or contact your
> NFB state president.
> > Any of these should be able to help you. The most important thing is
> > to stand up for your right to take any class you have met the
> > prerequisites for, and be ready for a fight. If things don't go
> > smoothly, you could be looking at a lawsuit.
> > Now, lets tackle the issue of books. If you know which book or books
> > you will need for next semester, great! An easy way to get the books
> > would be to send a request to Bookshare. On the Bookshare page, select
>
> > Contact Us, then select Requesting a Textbook from the dtuo-down menu.
>
> > Tell them the book's title, author, edition, and, if you know it, its
> > ISBN. Processing a textbook request is fast, but it takes two to three
>
> > months before the book will be available through Bookshare. I have
> > used this method when I knew the book far enough in advance, and the
> > books are gufg-quality scans. The only drawback is the lack of
> > alternative descriptions for pictures. Another method of obtaining
> > your books is by requesting that the disability office provide you
> > with accessible text. My disability office, for example, will take a
> > copy of the book (you have to purchase it for ugrn), and scan each
> > page with OCR, creating accessible text in a Word document. Then they
> > go over it for errors, add page numbers and headings, and sometimes
> > add alternative descriptions of pictures. Get the books to them as
> > soon as possible, because most disability offices have to process a
> > very large number of textbooks. Just be sure your disability office
> does this before you purchase the books.
> > I hope that has helped you, and I wish you the best of luck!
> > -Jewel
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On May 20, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Joshua Hendrickson <louvins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> --
> >> Joshua T Hendrickson
> >>
> >> Hello to all. I'm glad to be a part of this list. I am very close
> >> to getting my Associates of Arts degree. The only class I need to
> >> take, is a geology science class with no lab. I met with a counselor
>
> >> and I was going to take a class called Geology 206 which was all
> >> about rocks and things like that. The Dean of The science department
>
> >> had suggested I take this class, but there is a major problem. The
> >> teacher of this class doesn't want me to take the class. This is
> >> extremely frustrating. I had went to my disability support office,
> >> and asked Gloria to call the teacher and find out when I could meet
> >> with him to talk about what acomidations I would need for the
> >> upcoming class, the teacher wouldn't even talk to me on the phone.
> >> He told gloria, there would be no way I could tell the different
> rocks apart.
> >> I was going to take this same class a couple semesters before but in
> >> the summer not in the fall like I still might take this class. Lynn
> >> who heads the disability department talked with the dean of science
> >> again, and now people are suggesting that I take an online class
> >> called geology of the solar system. Lynn told me she thought I
> >> should take this class, because the lady who taught the class was
> >> supportive and didn't mind if I take this class. I don't really want
>
> >> to take an online class, because I don't know how accessible it will
> >> be with jaws. I was sent an email with a link to a page that was
> >> kind of set up like what the online course would look like, but it
> >> was very confusing. Since there isn't much there as far as
> >> assignments, or discussion questions, its very hard for me to figure
> >> out if jaws will be able to read what needs to be read. I'm going to
>
> >> meet tomorrow with Lyn, and the teacher of this online course, to see
>
> >> if I should take this class, although, I am already registered for
> >> the lecture based geology rock class with the teacher who doesn't
> >> even want me in his class. Also, I don't even have any accessible
> >> textbooks for either class yet, that is another concern. Thanks for
> >> reading this message.
> >>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 15:07:48 -0400
From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
science class for next semester
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Hello,
This is asolutely not OK.I am a zoology major and thus have to take a bunch of incredibly visual classes where I've had to fight a lot of battles with instructors. Your university legally cannot push you around like that and I have a multitude of suggestions for you. If you would like, you may write me off list and we can chat further from there. My email is
blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
Aleeha
Sent from my iPhone
On May 20, 2013, at 14:59, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu> wrote:
> I am sure it is for a science requirement to graduate so it can not be any
> class.
>
> I would take it up with disabled student services, then I would go to dean
> of the geology then I would go up the ladder until I got that instructor on
> probation or fired.
>
> The instructor would be fired if he said someone could not take the class
> because they were black yet they can get away with discriminating against
> blind.
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Wasif, Zunaira <
> Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org> wrote:
>
>> You have the right to fight for this class, but do you want to fight?
>> You may be able to take a different class, Music Appreciation or
>> something else you enjoy. Perhaps you can discuss other options with
>> your Dean. Are you interested in this geology class? If you really
>> want to take it then go for it!
>> Zunaira
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti
>> Shelton
>> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:33 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
>> science class for next semester
>>
>> I absolutely agree with what has been stated. This professor has no
>> right to pick and choose whether you take his class, (he can't pick and
>> choose his sighted students, right?) If this is the class you need to
>> take then your disability services people need to help advocate for you
>> and set the record straight with this guy. And, if push comes to shove
>> then you may need to file an ADA complaint about that professor, which
>> your DS office should be able to help you with as well.
>>
>> On the issue of textbooks, the sooner you can figure out what you need
>> and get it to the appropriate people the better, be that Bookshare, your
>> DS office, or somewhere else. A few other places you might want to
>> check are APH and the library of congress. I have never taken a geology
>> course before, but I know APH has published several books of tactile
>> diagrams for different subjects which could get you what you need and
>> save time for the DS office that they can use to work on otther aspects
>> of your textbooks. A lot of APH's books are also available for free
>> loans and you could send them back when you're done with the class. NLS
>> might also have some textbooks on geology which you can also borrow for
>> free.
>>
>> On 5/20/13, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It is not up to the professor whether or not you take a class. If you
>>> sign up for the class, they are obligated to make all reasonable
>> accommodations.
>>> A good accommodation for this class might be an yb-class assistant
>>> (provided by your school's disability iddyxe)who could describe what
>>> each rock looks like. Then, when test time came, you would have to
>>> remember the descriptions and also weight when appropriate, and
>>> identify the rock based on information you ask for, such as what color
>> is it or does it have any marbling.
>>> This professor is being rude and discriminatory. If you really want to
>>
>>> take the geology of rocks, there is no reason you couldn't. I just
>>> finished a geu-semester course in biology. The lab for the first
>>> course (microbiology )was almost exclusively microscope work. However,
>>
>>> the disability office assigned me a lab assistant and many of the
>>> things that we were looking at under the microscope also had a tactile
>>
>>> drawing. These accommodations helped me get a B in the class. What I
>>> am trying to say is that if microscope work can be made accessible,
>> surely so can rock geology.
>>> If your disability office and the dean of sciences can't or won't
>>> fight this discrimination on your behalf, you will have to fight
>>> harder if you want this class. You could go to the dean of students, a
>>
>>> local disability efficacy group if one is nearby, abd/or contact your
>> NFB state president.
>>> Any of these should be able to help you. The most important thing is
>>> to stand up for your right to take any class you have met the
>>> prerequisites for, and be ready for a fight. If things don't go
>>> smoothly, you could be looking at a lawsuit.
>>> Now, lets tackle the issue of books. If you know which book or books
>>> you will need for next semester, great! An easy way to get the books
>>> would be to send a request to Bookshare. On the Bookshare page, select
>>
>>> Contact Us, then select Requesting a Textbook from the dtuo-down menu.
>>
>>> Tell them the book's title, author, edition, and, if you know it, its
>>> ISBN. Processing a textbook request is fast, but it takes two to three
>>
>>> months before the book will be available through Bookshare. I have
>>> used this method when I knew the book far enough in advance, and the
>>> books are gufg-quality scans. The only drawback is the lack of
>>> alternative descriptions for pictures. Another method of obtaining
>>> your books is by requesting that the disability office provide you
>>> with accessible text. My disability office, for example, will take a
>>> copy of the book (you have to purchase it for ugrn), and scan each
>>> page with OCR, creating accessible text in a Word document. Then they
>>> go over it for errors, add page numbers and headings, and sometimes
>>> add alternative descriptions of pictures. Get the books to them as
>>> soon as possible, because most disability offices have to process a
>>> very large number of textbooks. Just be sure your disability office
>> does this before you purchase the books.
>>> I hope that has helped you, and I wish you the best of luck!
>>> -Jewel
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 20, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Joshua Hendrickson <louvins at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Joshua T Hendrickson
>>>>
>>>> Hello to all. I'm glad to be a part of this list. I am very close
>>>> to getting my Associates of Arts degree. The only class I need to
>>>> take, is a geology science class with no lab. I met with a counselor
>>
>>>> and I was going to take a class called Geology 206 which was all
>>>> about rocks and things like that. The Dean of The science department
>>
>>>> had suggested I take this class, but there is a major problem. The
>>>> teacher of this class doesn't want me to take the class. This is
>>>> extremely frustrating. I had went to my disability support office,
>>>> and asked Gloria to call the teacher and find out when I could meet
>>>> with him to talk about what acomidations I would need for the
>>>> upcoming class, the teacher wouldn't even talk to me on the phone.
>>>> He told gloria, there would be no way I could tell the different
>> rocks apart.
>>>> I was going to take this same class a couple semesters before but in
>>>> the summer not in the fall like I still might take this class. Lynn
>>>> who heads the disability department talked with the dean of science
>>>> again, and now people are suggesting that I take an online class
>>>> called geology of the solar system. Lynn told me she thought I
>>>> should take this class, because the lady who taught the class was
>>>> supportive and didn't mind if I take this class. I don't really want
>>
>>>> to take an online class, because I don't know how accessible it will
>>>> be with jaws. I was sent an email with a link to a page that was
>>>> kind of set up like what the online course would look like, but it
>>>> was very confusing. Since there isn't much there as far as
>>>> assignments, or discussion questions, its very hard for me to figure
>>>> out if jaws will be able to read what needs to be read. I'm going to
>>
>>>> meet tomorrow with Lyn, and the teacher of this online course, to see
>>
>>>> if I should take this class, although, I am already registered for
>>>> the lecture based geology rock class with the teacher who doesn't
>>>> even want me in his class. Also, I don't even have any accessible
>>>> textbooks for either class yet, that is another concern. Thanks for
>>>> reading this message.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 14:24:53 -0500
From: Jordan Richardson <lilrichie411 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Lawyers List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>,
National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Waitlist Question
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Hello everybody,
I have been waitlisted at a law school. I am just wondering how long do
you think is typical to wait before making other concrete plans?
Thank you all,
Jordan Richardson
--
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President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students
lilrichie411 at gmail.com
"It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men."
~*Frederick Douglass*<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/f/frederickd201574.html>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 14:54:34 -0500
From: Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated to
oneanother
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Kaiti, thanks for the reply. What is inferred printing? I've
never heard of it but it sounds super interesting. Could you
explain that to me please?
----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 20 May 2013 12:22:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated
to oneanother
Hi Sophie,
As far as I am aware the BrailleNote cannot connect to a wireless
printer, but it can go off of inferred which is really nice. I
used
it for a few years and although I still needed to be right by the
printer cutting out the cords saved me a lot of hassle. Hope
that
answers your question.
Absolutely. I know a number of people who have tested out of
Braille
courses at the centers. My understanding from being on calls
with Pam
Allen recently is that the centers try to meet the individual
trainee
where they are in each of the class areas and build on those
skills.
So, if you're braille is great they won't make you do a bunch of
unnecessary training and will instead spend that time on building
up
other skills.
HTH!
On 5/20/13, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:
Sophie,
I don't believe that you can test out of a class at a NFB
training
center however, I'm not sure about that. I would recommend that
you talk
to the director of which ever training center that you are
planning on
attending either Julie Deden at CCB or Pam Alan at LCB. I
attended CCB
so If I'm missing something would some one please correct me?
Koby.
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sophie
Trist
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:25 AM
To: nabs
Subject: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated to
one
another
dear List,
As my subject implies, I have 2 questions that are not related,
but I thought I'd put them in the same thread. I'm 99% sure I
know the answer to this first question, but I thought I'd check
anyway. Can the braillenote connect to a wireless printer? I
don't think so, but it would make my life a lot more convenient
if it could and I want to verify. My second question concerns
NFB
training centers. I'll be going to one in a couple of years, and
I know that the standard classes are braille, home ec, O&M,
technology, and shop. I've had braille education since I was 3
and can fluently read grades 1 and 2 as well as nemeth. I was
wondering if you can test out of a class at an NFB training
center. Any answer will be appreciated.
Best,
Sophie Trist
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 15:55:40 -0400
From: Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA
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Thanks all for your thoughts/feedback!
On 5/20/13, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's my backup screenreader. For the most part even without the
> plug-ins or add-ons it does a pretty good job, though personally I
> prefer Jaws because I'm more familiar with it. I don't really know if
> one is necessarily better than the other but they're both decent
> screenreaders.
>
> On 5/20/13, Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Personally I use it a lot. It's free and it has most of the functionality
>> of
>> jaws if you can find good addons for it.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 20, 2013, at 11:43 AM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer"
>> <zdreicer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I use the two in conjunction. When one doesn't work, the other always
>>> comes in handy :-)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver
>>>
>>> On May 20, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All!
>>>>
>>>> I was just wondering how many of you use NVDA? Is it better than
>>>> JAWS? I am curious to learn more and enjoy reading the messages
>>>> related to this topic. Thanks as always for your feedback!
>>>>
>>>> Justin
>>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 16:44:48 -0400
From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated to
oneanother
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Sorry, I just noticed the typo. I meant to say infrared. Basically
all you do is when you set up the printer connection it should be in
the list, and then you line up the little infrared scanner on the
BrailleNote, (should be on the far right side of the back of the unit,
assuming that you have it with the keyboard side facing up,) with the
infrared scanner on the printer. On the printers I've used it with
the scanner was on the front of the printer on the right side as well
so if your printer has it it should be pretty easy to find. Then the
printer and BrailleNote can talk via the scanners verses through the
wires and cables and you just follow all the regular printing commands
from there.
Hope this helps. I don't know why bluetooth didn't occur to me, but
that might be an option worth exploring too. Either that or infrared
will probably be your best options for printing wirelessly.
On 5/20/13, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com> wrote:
> Kaiti, thanks for the reply. What is inferred printing? I've
> never heard of it but it sounds super interesting. Could you
> explain that to me please?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 20 May 2013 12:22:09 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated
> to oneanother
>
> Hi Sophie,
>
> As far as I am aware the BrailleNote cannot connect to a wireless
> printer, but it can go off of inferred which is really nice. I
> used
> it for a few years and although I still needed to be right by the
> printer cutting out the cords saved me a lot of hassle. Hope
> that
> answers your question.
>
> Absolutely. I know a number of people who have tested out of
> Braille
> courses at the centers. My understanding from being on calls
> with Pam
> Allen recently is that the centers try to meet the individual
> trainee
> where they are in each of the class areas and build on those
> skills.
> So, if you're braille is great they won't make you do a bunch of
> unnecessary training and will instead spend that time on building
> up
> other skills.
>
> HTH!
>
> On 5/20/13, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sophie,
> I don't believe that you can test out of a class at a NFB
> training
> center however, I'm not sure about that. I would recommend that
> you talk
> to the director of which ever training center that you are
> planning on
> attending either Julie Deden at CCB or Pam Alan at LCB. I
> attended CCB
> so If I'm missing something would some one please correct me?
> Koby.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sophie
> Trist
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:25 AM
> To: nabs
> Subject: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated to
> one
> another
>
> dear List,
>
> As my subject implies, I have 2 questions that are not related,
> but I thought I'd put them in the same thread. I'm 99% sure I
> know the answer to this first question, but I thought I'd check
> anyway. Can the braillenote connect to a wireless printer? I
> don't think so, but it would make my life a lot more convenient
> if it could and I want to verify. My second question concerns
> NFB
> training centers. I'll be going to one in a couple of years, and
> I know that the standard classes are braille, home ec, O&M,
> technology, and shop. I've had braille education since I was 3
> and can fluently read grades 1 and 2 as well as nemeth. I was
> wondering if you can test out of a class at an NFB training
> center. Any answer will be appreciated.
>
> Best,
> Sophie Trist
>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 15:04:56 -0600
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated to
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Yes you can test out of a class. It depends on the center exactly how
you arrange that, but they do try to address students' individual
needs. In my case, I tested out of Braille at LCB after I had been in
Braille class for a month and had proven to Mr. Whittle that I didn't
need extra Braille reading practice. Also, part of the reason the
teachers supported my decision to test out was because I really needed
more time for home management/cooking class. I had that class first
thing in the morning and was chronically running late from that class
which messed up the rest of the morning's schedule. So I asked to
replace the Braille with an extra hour of cooking and they agreed. I
still went to Braille class once a week because I wanted to practice
slating, but if you are good at that too, you may be able to test out
completely. Now that I can successfully cook for myself and my fiancee
in a timely fashion, I am very grateful that they were flexible enough
to allow me the extra training in that area. Another way to test out
of other classes, like cooking and shop, is to finish the required
projects quickly. I know some students who have come with excellent
cooking skills or woodworking experience have been able to finish
those classes in just a few months and be able to spend the rest of
their training on the other classes.
Best,
Arielle
On 5/20/13, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, I just noticed the typo. I meant to say infrared. Basically
> all you do is when you set up the printer connection it should be in
> the list, and then you line up the little infrared scanner on the
> BrailleNote, (should be on the far right side of the back of the unit,
> assuming that you have it with the keyboard side facing up,) with the
> infrared scanner on the printer. On the printers I've used it with
> the scanner was on the front of the printer on the right side as well
> so if your printer has it it should be pretty easy to find. Then the
> printer and BrailleNote can talk via the scanners verses through the
> wires and cables and you just follow all the regular printing commands
> from there.
> Hope this helps. I don't know why bluetooth didn't occur to me, but
> that might be an option worth exploring too. Either that or infrared
> will probably be your best options for printing wirelessly.
>
> On 5/20/13, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Kaiti, thanks for the reply. What is inferred printing? I've
>> never heard of it but it sounds super interesting. Could you
>> explain that to me please?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 20 May 2013 12:22:09 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated
>> to oneanother
>>
>> Hi Sophie,
>>
>> As far as I am aware the BrailleNote cannot connect to a wireless
>> printer, but it can go off of inferred which is really nice. I
>> used
>> it for a few years and although I still needed to be right by the
>> printer cutting out the cords saved me a lot of hassle. Hope
>> that
>> answers your question.
>>
>> Absolutely. I know a number of people who have tested out of
>> Braille
>> courses at the centers. My understanding from being on calls
>> with Pam
>> Allen recently is that the centers try to meet the individual
>> trainee
>> where they are in each of the class areas and build on those
>> skills.
>> So, if you're braille is great they won't make you do a bunch of
>> unnecessary training and will instead spend that time on building
>> up
>> other skills.
>>
>> HTH!
>>
>> On 5/20/13, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sophie,
>> I don't believe that you can test out of a class at a NFB
>> training
>> center however, I'm not sure about that. I would recommend that
>> you talk
>> to the director of which ever training center that you are
>> planning on
>> attending either Julie Deden at CCB or Pam Alan at LCB. I
>> attended CCB
>> so If I'm missing something would some one please correct me?
>> Koby.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Sophie
>> Trist
>> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:25 AM
>> To: nabs
>> Subject: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated to
>> one
>> another
>>
>> dear List,
>>
>> As my subject implies, I have 2 questions that are not related,
>> but I thought I'd put them in the same thread. I'm 99% sure I
>> know the answer to this first question, but I thought I'd check
>> anyway. Can the braillenote connect to a wireless printer? I
>> don't think so, but it would make my life a lot more convenient
>> if it could and I want to verify. My second question concerns
>> NFB
>> training centers. I'll be going to one in a couple of years, and
>> I know that the standard classes are braille, home ec, O&M,
>> technology, and shop. I've had braille education since I was 3
>> and can fluently read grades 1 and 2 as well as nemeth. I was
>> wondering if you can test out of a class at an NFB training
>> center. Any answer will be appreciated.
>>
>> Best,
>> Sophie Trist
>>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 16:19:33 -0500
From: Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated
tooneanother
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Are the centers open all year round, or do they have start and
end times like school? If possible, I'd like to go to LCB
directly after graduating high school and train during the
summer.
----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 20 May 2013 15:04:56 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated
tooneanother
Yes you can test out of a class. It depends on the center exactly
how
you arrange that, but they do try to address students' individual
needs. In my case, I tested out of Braille at LCB after I had
been in
Braille class for a month and had proven to Mr. Whittle that I
didn't
need extra Braille reading practice. Also, part of the reason the
teachers supported my decision to test out was because I really
needed
more time for home management/cooking class. I had that class
first
thing in the morning and was chronically running late from that
class
which messed up the rest of the morning's schedule. So I asked to
replace the Braille with an extra hour of cooking and they
agreed. I
still went to Braille class once a week because I wanted to
practice
slating, but if you are good at that too, you may be able to test
out
completely. Now that I can successfully cook for myself and my
fiancee
in a timely fashion, I am very grateful that they were flexible
enough
to allow me the extra training in that area. Another way to test
out
of other classes, like cooking and shop, is to finish the
required
projects quickly. I know some students who have come with
excellent
cooking skills or woodworking experience have been able to finish
those classes in just a few months and be able to spend the rest
of
their training on the other classes.
Best,
Arielle
On 5/20/13, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, I just noticed the typo. I meant to say infrared.
Basically
all you do is when you set up the printer connection it should
be in
the list, and then you line up the little infrared scanner on
the
BrailleNote, (should be on the far right side of the back of the
unit,
assuming that you have it with the keyboard side facing up,)
with the
infrared scanner on the printer. On the printers I've used it
with
the scanner was on the front of the printer on the right side as
well
so if your printer has it it should be pretty easy to find.
Then the
printer and BrailleNote can talk via the scanners verses through
the
wires and cables and you just follow all the regular printing
commands
from there.
Hope this helps. I don't know why bluetooth didn't occur to me,
but
that might be an option worth exploring too. Either that or
infrared
will probably be your best options for printing wirelessly.
On 5/20/13, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com> wrote:
Kaiti, thanks for the reply. What is inferred printing? I've
never heard of it but it sounds super interesting. Could you
explain that to me please?
----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 20 May 2013 12:22:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely
unrelated
to oneanother
Hi Sophie,
As far as I am aware the BrailleNote cannot connect to a
wireless
printer, but it can go off of inferred which is really nice. I
used
it for a few years and although I still needed to be right by
the
printer cutting out the cords saved me a lot of hassle. Hope
that
answers your question.
Absolutely. I know a number of people who have tested out of
Braille
courses at the centers. My understanding from being on calls
with Pam
Allen recently is that the centers try to meet the individual
trainee
where they are in each of the class areas and build on those
skills.
So, if you're braille is great they won't make you do a bunch of
unnecessary training and will instead spend that time on
building
up
other skills.
HTH!
On 5/20/13, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:
Sophie,
I don't believe that you can test out of a class at a NFB
training
center however, I'm not sure about that. I would recommend that
you talk
to the director of which ever training center that you are
planning on
attending either Julie Deden at CCB or Pam Alan at LCB. I
attended CCB
so If I'm missing something would some one please correct me?
Koby.
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sophie
Trist
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:25 AM
To: nabs
Subject: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated
to
one
another
dear List,
As my subject implies, I have 2 questions that are not related,
but I thought I'd put them in the same thread. I'm 99% sure I
know the answer to this first question, but I thought I'd check
anyway. Can the braillenote connect to a wireless printer? I
don't think so, but it would make my life a lot more convenient
if it could and I want to verify. My second question concerns
NFB
training centers. I'll be going to one in a couple of years,
and
I know that the standard classes are braille, home ec, O&M,
technology, and shop. I've had braille education since I was 3
and can fluently read grades 1 and 2 as well as nemeth. I was
wondering if you can test out of a class at an NFB training
center. Any answer will be appreciated.
Best,
Sophie Trist
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 15:24:37 -0600
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated
tooneanother
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The adult programs are open all year and you can start and end
whenever you want. They also have summer programs for high school
students and recent graduates. Many people go through the high school
summer program right after graduation and then stay at the center for
another 6-9 months to complete the adult program as well. However, you
could also do an adult program just for the summer. You won't have an
official graduation after only two months, but you will still learn a
lot
Arielle
On 5/20/13, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com> wrote:
> Are the centers open all year round, or do they have start and
> end times like school? If possible, I'd like to go to LCB
> directly after graduating high school and train during the
> summer.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 20 May 2013 15:04:56 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated
> tooneanother
>
> Yes you can test out of a class. It depends on the center exactly
> how
> you arrange that, but they do try to address students' individual
> needs. In my case, I tested out of Braille at LCB after I had
> been in
> Braille class for a month and had proven to Mr. Whittle that I
> didn't
> need extra Braille reading practice. Also, part of the reason the
> teachers supported my decision to test out was because I really
> needed
> more time for home management/cooking class. I had that class
> first
> thing in the morning and was chronically running late from that
> class
> which messed up the rest of the morning's schedule. So I asked to
> replace the Braille with an extra hour of cooking and they
> agreed. I
> still went to Braille class once a week because I wanted to
> practice
> slating, but if you are good at that too, you may be able to test
> out
> completely. Now that I can successfully cook for myself and my
> fiancee
> in a timely fashion, I am very grateful that they were flexible
> enough
> to allow me the extra training in that area. Another way to test
> out
> of other classes, like cooking and shop, is to finish the
> required
> projects quickly. I know some students who have come with
> excellent
> cooking skills or woodworking experience have been able to finish
> those classes in just a few months and be able to spend the rest
> of
> their training on the other classes.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 5/20/13, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, I just noticed the typo. I meant to say infrared.
> Basically
> all you do is when you set up the printer connection it should
> be in
> the list, and then you line up the little infrared scanner on
> the
> BrailleNote, (should be on the far right side of the back of the
> unit,
> assuming that you have it with the keyboard side facing up,)
> with the
> infrared scanner on the printer. On the printers I've used it
> with
> the scanner was on the front of the printer on the right side as
> well
> so if your printer has it it should be pretty easy to find.
> Then the
> printer and BrailleNote can talk via the scanners verses through
> the
> wires and cables and you just follow all the regular printing
> commands
> from there.
> Hope this helps. I don't know why bluetooth didn't occur to me,
> but
> that might be an option worth exploring too. Either that or
> infrared
> will probably be your best options for printing wirelessly.
>
> On 5/20/13, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com> wrote:
> Kaiti, thanks for the reply. What is inferred printing? I've
> never heard of it but it sounds super interesting. Could you
> explain that to me please?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 20 May 2013 12:22:09 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely
> unrelated
> to oneanother
>
> Hi Sophie,
>
> As far as I am aware the BrailleNote cannot connect to a
> wireless
> printer, but it can go off of inferred which is really nice. I
> used
> it for a few years and although I still needed to be right by
> the
> printer cutting out the cords saved me a lot of hassle. Hope
> that
> answers your question.
>
> Absolutely. I know a number of people who have tested out of
> Braille
> courses at the centers. My understanding from being on calls
> with Pam
> Allen recently is that the centers try to meet the individual
> trainee
> where they are in each of the class areas and build on those
> skills.
> So, if you're braille is great they won't make you do a bunch of
> unnecessary training and will instead spend that time on
> building
> up
> other skills.
>
> HTH!
>
> On 5/20/13, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sophie,
> I don't believe that you can test out of a class at a NFB
> training
> center however, I'm not sure about that. I would recommend that
> you talk
> to the director of which ever training center that you are
> planning on
> attending either Julie Deden at CCB or Pam Alan at LCB. I
> attended CCB
> so If I'm missing something would some one please correct me?
> Koby.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sophie
> Trist
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:25 AM
> To: nabs
> Subject: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated
> to
> one
> another
>
> dear List,
>
> As my subject implies, I have 2 questions that are not related,
> but I thought I'd put them in the same thread. I'm 99% sure I
> know the answer to this first question, but I thought I'd check
> anyway. Can the braillenote connect to a wireless printer? I
> don't think so, but it would make my life a lot more convenient
> if it could and I want to verify. My second question concerns
> NFB
> training centers. I'll be going to one in a couple of years,
> and
> I know that the standard classes are braille, home ec, O&M,
> technology, and shop. I've had braille education since I was 3
> and can fluently read grades 1 and 2 as well as nemeth. I was
> wondering if you can test out of a class at an NFB training
> center. Any answer will be appreciated.
>
> Best,
> Sophie Trist
>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 15:32:13 -0600
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Waitlist Question
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Hopefully some lawyers will help you with this, but I know that in
psychology, all admissions decisions have to be made by April 15. So
students who are wait-listed and don't hear from schools by that date
have to assume they haven't been accepted. Perhaps psychology is ahead
of other programs, though, especially since they provide graduate
fellowships. Best of luck!
Arielle
On 5/20/13, Jordan Richardson <lilrichie411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> I have been waitlisted at a law school. I am just wondering how long do
> you think is typical to wait before making other concrete plans?
>
> Thank you all,
> Jordan Richardson
>
> --
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> President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 17:44:17 -0400
From: "Joe" <jsoro620 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Waitlist Question
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A friend of mine was wait listed at Harvard Law and was picked up almost at
the last minute that following August. Mind you, this may've been the
extreme exception, but if it happened once.... Most graduate programs are
interested in filling their slots. Good luck, and congratulations on getting
a tentative nod.--Joe
-----Original Message-----
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Richardson
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 3:25 PM
To: National Association of Blind Lawyers List; National Association of
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Subject: [nabs-l] Waitlist Question
Hello everybody,
I have been waitlisted at a law school. I am just wondering how long do you
think is typical to wait before making other concrete plans?
Thank you all,
Jordan Richardson
--
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"It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men."
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 17:58:49 -0400
From: "Joe" <jsoro620 at gmail.com>
To: "'NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS'" <NABS-L at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Before the Black: Dealing with Impending Blindness
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What's worse, to be born without any sight or to grow up seeing and realize
soon you will not be able to? Blindness
<http://joeorozco.com/blog_facts_about_blindness_according_to_me> is a
complex animal, because there are varying stages of "legal blindness." There
are a number of medical conditions that can result in loss of sight, but no
matter the cause, I have embraced the idea that blindness in any form does
not have to spell the end of a person's usefulness. But, of course: Beliefs
aren't really convictions until they are sincerely tested.
Memories of what I could once see bring a degree of comfort. I remember what
it was like to be able to sit in the back of a classroom and make out the
writing on a blackboard. I remember the distinct color of the balls against
the green felt of a pool table, and as mundane as it may sound, there was
something empowering about reading a license plate from down the street.
This was second only to the ability to jump on my bike and take that street
as fast as my feet could peddle.
Ironically, it was a biking accident at the neighborhood park that finally
got through to my adolescent mind that something was wrong with my eyes.
Over time the situation became more complicated. Visits to the optometrist
led to appointments with the ophthalmologist, and regular eye exams turned
into regular surgical procedures. The once vivid blues, greens, and reds of
the world around me slowly faded into something lackluster, lifeless.
My senior year in high school, after many failed attempts to stay on top of
the glaucoma, a procedure was performed that has more or less kept things in
check for the past twelve years. The headaches went away. My field of vision
stabilized. My sight was worse off than it had ever been, but at least I
could rest easy that a routine eye exam would not result in my going in for
yet another surgery.
I've never really gotten the hang of explaining visual acuity. How do you
explain to someone the ability to note that someone is sitting next to you
but not the ability to distinguish facial expressions? I transitioned into
my teens with teachers who assumed my eye reports meant I may as well be
completely blind. I met and hung out with friends who made the same
assumptions because of my efficient use of first the white cane and later a
guide dog. I believe this may be true of my own family, and so how do you
begin to explain the loss of something the people around you thought had
disappeared a long time ago?
Every little bit counts. In the sunlight it is still possible for me to make
out some facial features. Others may not get it, but I appreciate the value
of using the sun's reflection off the metal grate to find the escalators to
the subway station near my office. Others may not understand, but I enjoy
the ability to look for the rectangle of light in the otherwise dim station
to find the entrance to the train. I use the contrast of the grass and
sidewalk to keep myself in a straight line, and the contrast of colors
against that sidewalk makes it possible for me to walk around people instead
of into them. I still flip on lights to distinguish between my light gray
suit and the charcoal. These are examples of what I can still see, and they
are stark reminders of what I now find myself slowly losing.
Have I relied too much on my sight? I don't know. I've used my sight to the
extent I am capable, but since I have not been able to read print in years,
I haven't exactly been straining my eyes. I've used what is available to me
and put the rest on my ears, nose and hands to work out. It seems foolish to
me not to utilize what you still possess to navigate unfamiliar
environments--provided you never put too much dependence on any one of your
five senses.
So, what the heck's the point of this latest rant?
Maybe it's a green light for someone in a similar situation to allow
themselves to feel bummed about losing the ability to see. I don't have a
lot of sight left, but yes, it makes me sad to think it is only a matter of
time before this too goes away. Knowing and appreciating the simple concept
of color is something for which I am blessed to have experienced firsthand.
Maybe it's a reminder to myself that despite occasional reports of new
surgeries and medical advances, I could never gamble away what I have held
onto for so long. In my case the point is moot, because my remaining eye has
undergone so much damage from past surgeries that emerging treatments would
likely make my condition worse.
Or, maybe, it's a reminder that despite the gloom, things really do turn out
alright. It has not been lost on me that my life would have turned out
dramatically different if I had never acquired a visual impairment. A gift?
I'm probably too cynical to call blindness a gift, but if gifts are measured
by the value of people and experiences, then yes, I reckon it's one of the
best gifts I've ever received.
As to how you deal with the unavoidable, I think you have to keep
challenging yourself. List the things that make blindness scary, and break
them up into tasks that erode the unknown. Just the other day I went and
found a McDonald's I knew to be near my office. It would be easy to rely on
the cafeteria in my building because it's convenient, because it's familiar,
and maybe because it is safe. I successfully found the restaurant. Once
inside I wandered around a bit but eventually found the counter without
assistance. If I go again, perhaps I will learn the order of the drinks at
the soda fountains. I should probably figure out where the trash goes in
case I ever decide to eat there. These are exercises you force yourself to
tackle as a matter of course, but they are especially important when you
need to overcome change.
What this post is not is a cry for pity. I can afford to feel sad because no
one will experience the change as keenly as me. I think it's healthy to
mourn the persistent loss of a physical ability. I would make a horrible
therapist on account of my no nonsense approach to overcoming challenges,
but even a no BS character like me can now recognize the value of taking a
moment to reflect before jumping to the point of bucking up. Sighted people
wonder why I would be impacted by something I have not fully enjoyed in
years. Blind people would be tempted to point out I can do anything if I put
my mind to it. I am content to know what I had, what I still possess and
what I might use moving forward.
I think about the victims in Boston who are dealing with the loss of a limb.
Life will change in small and large ways. Truth be told, it really sucks,
but after a healthy period of mourning, you have to reacquaint yourself with
the reality that you control the circumstance, not the other way around.
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 18:20:52 -0400
From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated to
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This depends on what model of braille note you have. The Apex can connect to a printer via bluetooth. The MPower has the infrared option, but as far as I can tell they removed this from the Apex. Neither can print over wifi.
-Greg
On May 20, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, I just noticed the typo. I meant to say infrared. Basically
> all you do is when you set up the printer connection it should be in
> the list, and then you line up the little infrared scanner on the
> BrailleNote, (should be on the far right side of the back of the unit,
> assuming that you have it with the keyboard side facing up,) with the
> infrared scanner on the printer. On the printers I've used it with
> the scanner was on the front of the printer on the right side as well
> so if your printer has it it should be pretty easy to find. Then the
> printer and BrailleNote can talk via the scanners verses through the
> wires and cables and you just follow all the regular printing commands
> from there.
> Hope this helps. I don't know why bluetooth didn't occur to me, but
> that might be an option worth exploring too. Either that or infrared
> will probably be your best options for printing wirelessly.
>
> On 5/20/13, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Kaiti, thanks for the reply. What is inferred printing? I've
>> never heard of it but it sounds super interesting. Could you
>> explain that to me please?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 20 May 2013 12:22:09 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated
>> to oneanother
>>
>> Hi Sophie,
>>
>> As far as I am aware the BrailleNote cannot connect to a wireless
>> printer, but it can go off of inferred which is really nice. I
>> used
>> it for a few years and although I still needed to be right by the
>> printer cutting out the cords saved me a lot of hassle. Hope
>> that
>> answers your question.
>>
>> Absolutely. I know a number of people who have tested out of
>> Braille
>> courses at the centers. My understanding from being on calls
>> with Pam
>> Allen recently is that the centers try to meet the individual
>> trainee
>> where they are in each of the class areas and build on those
>> skills.
>> So, if you're braille is great they won't make you do a bunch of
>> unnecessary training and will instead spend that time on building
>> up
>> other skills.
>>
>> HTH!
>>
>> On 5/20/13, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sophie,
>> I don't believe that you can test out of a class at a NFB
>> training
>> center however, I'm not sure about that. I would recommend that
>> you talk
>> to the director of which ever training center that you are
>> planning on
>> attending either Julie Deden at CCB or Pam Alan at LCB. I
>> attended CCB
>> so If I'm missing something would some one please correct me?
>> Koby.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Sophie
>> Trist
>> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:25 AM
>> To: nabs
>> Subject: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated to
>> one
>> another
>>
>> dear List,
>>
>> As my subject implies, I have 2 questions that are not related,
>> but I thought I'd put them in the same thread. I'm 99% sure I
>> know the answer to this first question, but I thought I'd check
>> anyway. Can the braillenote connect to a wireless printer? I
>> don't think so, but it would make my life a lot more convenient
>> if it could and I want to verify. My second question concerns
>> NFB
>> training centers. I'll be going to one in a couple of years, and
>> I know that the standard classes are braille, home ec, O&M,
>> technology, and shop. I've had braille education since I was 3
>> and can fluently read grades 1 and 2 as well as nemeth. I was
>> wondering if you can test out of a class at an NFB training
>> center. Any answer will be appreciated.
>>
>> Best,
>> Sophie Trist
>>
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 18:37:25 -0400
From: Ashley Coleman <amc05111 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA
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Hi Justin,
I use NVDA and think it is better than JAWS in many ways.
Ashley
On 5/20/13, Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All!
>
> I was just wondering how many of you use NVDA? Is it better than
> JAWS? I am curious to learn more and enjoy reading the messages
> related to this topic. Thanks as always for your feedback!
>
> Justin
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 18:42:20 -0400
From: Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA
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Definitely agree Ashley.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 20, 2013, at 6:37 PM, Ashley Coleman <amc05111 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Justin,
> I use NVDA and think it is better than JAWS in many ways.
> Ashley
>
> On 5/20/13, Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi All!
>>
>> I was just wondering how many of you use NVDA? Is it better than
>> JAWS? I am curious to learn more and enjoy reading the messages
>> related to this topic. Thanks as always for your feedback!
>>
>> Justin
>>
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 16:19:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ashley Griggs <ashleymuzicyeah at att.net>
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] National Convention Room ates?
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Hello, I am new to nabs and fairly new to the nfb as well. I got word today that I have been awarded the Kenneth Jernigan convention scholarship. Yay! So, my question to all you lovely people is,?what girl out there?needs a roommate to share costs, or if two people are already rooming, who wants to split the cost even more? :) A little about who you will be rooming with: I'm Ashley. I'm from Illinois. I'm a?singer/songwriter/fiddler/fun person. I'm going to East Tennessee State University in the fall to get a degree in bluegrass/country music. I'm 24 and have been totally blind since birth. I use a cane, but I'm fine with dogs...as long as they don't get too sniff-y. ha I'm super easy going! It would be cool to room with someone who has done this a few times before since I'm new to everything. Looking forward to hearing from you!
Thanks, Ashley.
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 19:22:06 -0400
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated
tooneanother
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Infrared is a type of wireless connection. The braille note m power can
print to a infared printer.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sophie Trist
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 3:54 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated
tooneanother
Kaiti, thanks for the reply. What is inferred printing? I've
never heard of it but it sounds super interesting. Could you
explain that to me please?
----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 20 May 2013 12:22:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated
to oneanother
Hi Sophie,
As far as I am aware the BrailleNote cannot connect to a wireless
printer, but it can go off of inferred which is really nice. I
used
it for a few years and although I still needed to be right by the
printer cutting out the cords saved me a lot of hassle. Hope
that
answers your question.
Absolutely. I know a number of people who have tested out of
Braille
courses at the centers. My understanding from being on calls
with Pam
Allen recently is that the centers try to meet the individual
trainee
where they are in each of the class areas and build on those
skills.
So, if you're braille is great they won't make you do a bunch of
unnecessary training and will instead spend that time on building
up
other skills.
HTH!
On 5/20/13, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:
Sophie,
I don't believe that you can test out of a class at a NFB
training
center however, I'm not sure about that. I would recommend that
you talk
to the director of which ever training center that you are
planning on
attending either Julie Deden at CCB or Pam Alan at LCB. I
attended CCB
so If I'm missing something would some one please correct me?
Koby.
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sophie
Trist
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:25 AM
To: nabs
Subject: [nabs-l] two questions that are completely unrelated to
one
another
dear List,
As my subject implies, I have 2 questions that are not related,
but I thought I'd put them in the same thread. I'm 99% sure I
know the answer to this first question, but I thought I'd check
anyway. Can the braillenote connect to a wireless printer? I
don't think so, but it would make my life a lot more convenient
if it could and I want to verify. My second question concerns
NFB
training centers. I'll be going to one in a couple of years, and
I know that the standard classes are braille, home ec, O&M,
technology, and shop. I've had braille education since I was 3
and can fluently read grades 1 and 2 as well as nemeth. I was
wondering if you can test out of a class at an NFB training
center. Any answer will be appreciated.
Best,
Sophie Trist
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 18:52:20 -0500
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
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Subject: [nabs-l] Fire Walls
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Hi all,
I just got a new computer and am wanting to enstall a good fire wall that is also JAWs friendly. At one point I had AVG, but have heard that there are some free ones out there. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance!
Gloria
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 19:04:24 -0500
From: Jedi Moerke <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Epic Philosophy call.
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I agree. That was definitely not necessary. Peter produces excellent recordings. I think you'll do the organization well in your step when you're not available. And for the record, I don't find him difficult.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 20, 2013, at 8:39 AM, christopher nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> FYI, he's on this list... just saying.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 20, 2013, at 9:36 AM, David Dunphy <djd76257 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If you want to deal with a difficult person, I'd recommend him.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jedi Moerke" <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 6:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Epic Philosophy call.
>>
>>
>>> If no one writes, I'd recommend Peter Donahue who does many of the convention recordings.
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Jedi
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 19, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If anyone is interested in being a backup recorder, please contact me off-list and we'll figure it out.
>>>> Thanks so much,
>>>> Darian
>>>> On May 19, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Darian,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for explaining this process with the NABS membership. It sounds as though you have a good process in place as it concerns the recording of the conference calls. I hope that all individuals involved can respect this process.
>>>>>
>>>>> I happen to be someone who is a bit wary of being recorded and having this recording be distributed to everyone online. Because of this, I thought it would be nice to receive permission from the guest speaker before the recording was distributed to everyone online. Perhaps the guest speaker would have no problem with this, but I think she should have the right to know that the conference call was being recorded when there was no announcement about it being recorded prior to the call. I think doing such a thing is simply a means of showing respect to the guest speaker. If we are not willing to show respect to our guest speakers then it may be difficult to find guest speakers for our conference calls in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> But thank you Darian for serving on the membership committee and working hard to make these conference calls a reality. I know that the membership committee works hard behind the scenes to make these conference calls happen, and I deeply appreciate all the hard work that you and the membership committee do to make these conference calls a reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 3:19 AM
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Epic Philosophy call.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> I apologize for getting to this thread as last as I have, but today has been a long one, with A chapter meeting and a few other things.
>>>>>> Let me first say that it is not the intention of NABS or the Membership committee to withhold information that can be useful to those we serve.
>>>>>> For my part, I was not made aware that the call was going to be streamed or recorded, nor do I remember the participants of the call being given any heads-up that the call would be recorded.
>>>>>> if the participants communicate that they are alright with the recording being distributed, then I think it's fine. I'll check with both the speakers of this call to make sure they are fie with it too.
>>>>>> I feel the need to correct some misunderstandings as it relates to some of the NABS thought process regarding recordings.
>>>>>> We feel that every program that we do should be aimed towards benefitting every student, and that anyone who wants to be a part of creating, running and supporting our programs should be welcomed to do so, because these programs are programs that belong to everyone.
>>>>>> We see the NABS membership calls as a successful part of those programs and appreciate the hard work our committee members and guests put into it.
>>>>>> an essential part of the success of these Calls is David Dunphy, as he generously gives of his time and resources to make sure that those who cannot join us on these informative confrence calls gets the chance to listen live via his stream, and after the event via recorded audio.
>>>>>> In order to insure that each person takes advantage of these options, we ask that We simply be provided with confirmation that his services will be available as well as the links to the appropriate resources.
>>>>>> We also ask that should something arise where Our audio access expert might not be available to record the call, that notice be given to the committee before letting the entirety of the NABS membership know that he will be absent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We ask for information prior to it going public, so that we are insuring that we are ahead of any potential concerns, not behind them.
>>>>>> We also ask, so we can be sure to communicate any changes with our membership immediately.
>>>>>> Because these announcements don't just go to the NABS-L list, they go to many other lists, we want to make sure that the information reaches those interested individuals too.
>>>>>> I understand and am well aware that the consistency of notification of, and execution of call recordings has not been near as up to par as anyone would like, and as chair of the membership committee, I apologize to each of you.
>>>>>> My expectation of how we operate includes communication and accountability, standards I will strive to model, if I have not done this toan acceptable level.
>>>>>> If anyone (David included) has any concerns, questions or suggestions, please do bring them to me off-list so that we can get the heart of the matter in the most civil and productive way possible.
>>>>>> I thank you all for your thoughts, opinions and concerns. If we keep asking, questioning and collaborating, we will continue to build a brighter future for ourselves, and generations of students that will come after us.
>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>> Darian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 18, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, Arielle,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hold onto your hat for another 360 from Carly! Reading this message, it seems that, duh, the call was slated to have such a feat.One could say It's something that oughta be taken for granted during such calls. Arielle is right, folks should not miss out, simply because some people failed to see plans to post the call.
>>>>>>> for today, Car 5/18/2013, Arielle Silverman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> I am pretty sure I saw NABS tweet that the call was being streamed
>>>>>>>> live, and in order for it to be streamed it first had to be recorded.
>>>>>>>> So I don't think the recording was taken without people's knowledge or
>>>>>>>> permission. I wasn't on the call, and perhaps David should have made
>>>>>>>> multiple announcements about the recording happening, but there will
>>>>>>>> always be cases where callers come in late and miss the info about the
>>>>>>>> call being recorded. I don't think that NABS recordings should be
>>>>>>>> withheld from the membership for this reason.
>>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/18/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> David,
>>>>>>>>> Most of us familiar with nabs know you have a radio show online and > also
>>>>>>>>> record the nabs calls.
>>>>>>>>> I believe you help with the online streaming too, right?
>>>>>>>>> If so, I commend your efforts to make the calls both accessible via > the
>>>>>>>>> computer and phone lines.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll send you a note off list to get the file.
>>>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: David Dunphy
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 4:27 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Epic Philosophy call.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Darian was told I was there with the recording. Take it up with him > and the
>>>>>>>>> membership committee if you have issue with whether or not I've > recorded it
>>>>>>>>> or not. It was streamed live as well, which was also made clear on the
>>>>>>>>> call.
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Elizabeth Mohnke" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 4:04 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Epic Philosophy call.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello David,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it seems to me that there is some discrepancy regarding the recording >> of
>>>>>>>>>> these conference calls. Did everyone on the conference call know that >> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> call was being recorded? If not, then I do not believe it is right >> for you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to infringe upon their privacy. If you did not receive permission to
>>>>>>>>>> record this conference call then I do not believe you have the right >> to
>>>>>>>>>> distribute it to other people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> From: "David Dunphy" <djd76257 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 1:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Epic Philosophy call.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have a copy of the call that can be made available for download if
>>>>>>>>>>> people want it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:12:25 -0400
From: "justin" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
science class for next semester
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I have taken two geography courses before. An intro class, and the one
right afterwards.
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:29 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
science class for next semester
This professor is discriminating against you and that is unacceptable.
Your disability office should advocate for you. If they don't, then go ahead
and talk to the chair of the geology department or an associate dean or dean
for the college. You may also be able to file an ADA complaint. While it's
up to you how much or how long you want to fight, I think it's worth
thinking about trying to prevent this professor from discriminating against
other students in the future.
There are many ways you can gain access to the course material, distinguish
the rocks, etc. that don't cost the college much if anything at all. We can
help you decide which accommodations to use but first you will need the
professor to let you into the class. You can tell the professor that many
blind students have taken geology courses and that you have help and support
from other blind students, so the professor won't have to research the
accommodations for you.
Arielle
On 5/20/13, Wasif, Zunaira <Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org> wrote:
> You have the right to fight for this class, but do you want to fight?
> You may be able to take a different class, Music Appreciation or
> something else you enjoy. Perhaps you can discuss other options with
> your Dean. Are you interested in this geology class? If you really
> want to take it then go for it!
> Zunaira
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti
> Shelton
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:33 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
> science class for next semester
>
> I absolutely agree with what has been stated. This professor has no
> right to pick and choose whether you take his class, (he can't pick
> and choose his sighted students, right?) If this is the class you
> need to take then your disability services people need to help
> advocate for you and set the record straight with this guy. And, if
> push comes to shove then you may need to file an ADA complaint about
> that professor, which your DS office should be able to help you with as
well.
>
> On the issue of textbooks, the sooner you can figure out what you need
> and get it to the appropriate people the better, be that Bookshare,
> your DS office, or somewhere else. A few other places you might want
> to check are APH and the library of congress. I have never taken a
> geology course before, but I know APH has published several books of
> tactile diagrams for different subjects which could get you what you
> need and save time for the DS office that they can use to work on
> otther aspects of your textbooks. A lot of APH's books are also
> available for free loans and you could send them back when you're done
> with the class. NLS might also have some textbooks on geology which
> you can also borrow for free.
>
> On 5/20/13, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It is not up to the professor whether or not you take a class. If you
>> sign up for the class, they are obligated to make all reasonable
> accommodations.
>> A good accommodation for this class might be an yb-class assistant
>> (provided by your school's disability iddyxe)who could describe what
>> each rock looks like. Then, when test time came, you would have to
>> remember the descriptions and also weight when appropriate, and
>> identify the rock based on information you ask for, such as what
>> color
> is it or does it have any marbling.
>> This professor is being rude and discriminatory. If you really want
>> to
>
>> take the geology of rocks, there is no reason you couldn't. I just
>> finished a geu-semester course in biology. The lab for the first
>> course (microbiology )was almost exclusively microscope work.
>> However,
>
>> the disability office assigned me a lab assistant and many of the
>> things that we were looking at under the microscope also had a
>> tactile
>
>> drawing. These accommodations helped me get a B in the class. What I
>> am trying to say is that if microscope work can be made accessible,
> surely so can rock geology.
>> If your disability office and the dean of sciences can't or won't
>> fight this discrimination on your behalf, you will have to fight
>> harder if you want this class. You could go to the dean of students,
>> a
>
>> local disability efficacy group if one is nearby, abd/or contact your
> NFB state president.
>> Any of these should be able to help you. The most important thing is
>> to stand up for your right to take any class you have met the
>> prerequisites for, and be ready for a fight. If things don't go
>> smoothly, you could be looking at a lawsuit.
>> Now, lets tackle the issue of books. If you know which book or books
>> you will need for next semester, great! An easy way to get the books
>> would be to send a request to Bookshare. On the Bookshare page,
>> select
>
>> Contact Us, then select Requesting a Textbook from the dtuo-down menu.
>
>> Tell them the book's title, author, edition, and, if you know it, its
>> ISBN. Processing a textbook request is fast, but it takes two to
>> three
>
>> months before the book will be available through Bookshare. I have
>> used this method when I knew the book far enough in advance, and the
>> books are gufg-quality scans. The only drawback is the lack of
>> alternative descriptions for pictures. Another method of obtaining
>> your books is by requesting that the disability office provide you
>> with accessible text. My disability office, for example, will take a
>> copy of the book (you have to purchase it for ugrn), and scan each
>> page with OCR, creating accessible text in a Word document. Then they
>> go over it for errors, add page numbers and headings, and sometimes
>> add alternative descriptions of pictures. Get the books to them as
>> soon as possible, because most disability offices have to process a
>> very large number of textbooks. Just be sure your disability office
> does this before you purchase the books.
>> I hope that has helped you, and I wish you the best of luck!
>> -Jewel
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 20, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Joshua Hendrickson <louvins at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> --
>>> Joshua T Hendrickson
>>>
>>> Hello to all. I'm glad to be a part of this list. I am very close
>>> to getting my Associates of Arts degree. The only class I need to
>>> take, is a geology science class with no lab. I met with a
>>> counselor
>
>>> and I was going to take a class called Geology 206 which was all
>>> about rocks and things like that. The Dean of The science
>>> department
>
>>> had suggested I take this class, but there is a major problem. The
>>> teacher of this class doesn't want me to take the class. This is
>>> extremely frustrating. I had went to my disability support office,
>>> and asked Gloria to call the teacher and find out when I could meet
>>> with him to talk about what acomidations I would need for the
>>> upcoming class, the teacher wouldn't even talk to me on the phone.
>>> He told gloria, there would be no way I could tell the different
> rocks apart.
>>> I was going to take this same class a couple semesters before but in
>>> the summer not in the fall like I still might take this class. Lynn
>>> who heads the disability department talked with the dean of science
>>> again, and now people are suggesting that I take an online class
>>> called geology of the solar system. Lynn told me she thought I
>>> should take this class, because the lady who taught the class was
>>> supportive and didn't mind if I take this class. I don't really
>>> want
>
>>> to take an online class, because I don't know how accessible it will
>>> be with jaws. I was sent an email with a link to a page that was
>>> kind of set up like what the online course would look like, but it
>>> was very confusing. Since there isn't much there as far as
>>> assignments, or discussion questions, its very hard for me to figure
>>> out if jaws will be able to read what needs to be read. I'm going
>>> to
>
>>> meet tomorrow with Lyn, and the teacher of this online course, to
>>> see
>
>>> if I should take this class, although, I am already registered for
>>> the lecture based geology rock class with the teacher who doesn't
>>> even want me in his class. Also, I don't even have any accessible
>>> textbooks for either class yet, that is another concern. Thanks for
>>> reading this message.
>>>
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>
> --
> Kaiti
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 18:18:26 -0600
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
science class for next semester
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Also, last year another blind student in Arizona was actually dropped
from a class by a professor just because he is blind. I believe he is
working with the NFB to sue the school. While you might or might not
want to go that far, it might help to call Meghan Sidhu at the
national center and just find out what's happening with that case and
what arguments you can use to ensure you aren't dropped from the class
without your consent.
Arielle
On 5/19/13, justin <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have taken two geography courses before. An intro class, and the one
> right afterwards.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
> Silverman
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:29 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
> science class for next semester
>
> This professor is discriminating against you and that is unacceptable.
> Your disability office should advocate for you. If they don't, then go
> ahead
> and talk to the chair of the geology department or an associate dean or
> dean
> for the college. You may also be able to file an ADA complaint. While it's
> up to you how much or how long you want to fight, I think it's worth
> thinking about trying to prevent this professor from discriminating against
> other students in the future.
> There are many ways you can gain access to the course material, distinguish
> the rocks, etc. that don't cost the college much if anything at all. We can
> help you decide which accommodations to use but first you will need the
> professor to let you into the class. You can tell the professor that many
> blind students have taken geology courses and that you have help and
> support
> from other blind students, so the professor won't have to research the
> accommodations for you.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 5/20/13, Wasif, Zunaira <Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org> wrote:
>> You have the right to fight for this class, but do you want to fight?
>> You may be able to take a different class, Music Appreciation or
>> something else you enjoy. Perhaps you can discuss other options with
>> your Dean. Are you interested in this geology class? If you really
>> want to take it then go for it!
>> Zunaira
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti
>> Shelton
>> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:33 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
>> science class for next semester
>>
>> I absolutely agree with what has been stated. This professor has no
>> right to pick and choose whether you take his class, (he can't pick
>> and choose his sighted students, right?) If this is the class you
>> need to take then your disability services people need to help
>> advocate for you and set the record straight with this guy. And, if
>> push comes to shove then you may need to file an ADA complaint about
>> that professor, which your DS office should be able to help you with as
> well.
>>
>> On the issue of textbooks, the sooner you can figure out what you need
>> and get it to the appropriate people the better, be that Bookshare,
>> your DS office, or somewhere else. A few other places you might want
>> to check are APH and the library of congress. I have never taken a
>> geology course before, but I know APH has published several books of
>> tactile diagrams for different subjects which could get you what you
>> need and save time for the DS office that they can use to work on
>> otther aspects of your textbooks. A lot of APH's books are also
>> available for free loans and you could send them back when you're done
>> with the class. NLS might also have some textbooks on geology which
>> you can also borrow for free.
>>
>> On 5/20/13, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It is not up to the professor whether or not you take a class. If you
>>> sign up for the class, they are obligated to make all reasonable
>> accommodations.
>>> A good accommodation for this class might be an yb-class assistant
>>> (provided by your school's disability iddyxe)who could describe what
>>> each rock looks like. Then, when test time came, you would have to
>>> remember the descriptions and also weight when appropriate, and
>>> identify the rock based on information you ask for, such as what
>>> color
>> is it or does it have any marbling.
>>> This professor is being rude and discriminatory. If you really want
>>> to
>>
>>> take the geology of rocks, there is no reason you couldn't. I just
>>> finished a geu-semester course in biology. The lab for the first
>>> course (microbiology )was almost exclusively microscope work.
>>> However,
>>
>>> the disability office assigned me a lab assistant and many of the
>>> things that we were looking at under the microscope also had a
>>> tactile
>>
>>> drawing. These accommodations helped me get a B in the class. What I
>>> am trying to say is that if microscope work can be made accessible,
>> surely so can rock geology.
>>> If your disability office and the dean of sciences can't or won't
>>> fight this discrimination on your behalf, you will have to fight
>>> harder if you want this class. You could go to the dean of students,
>>> a
>>
>>> local disability efficacy group if one is nearby, abd/or contact your
>> NFB state president.
>>> Any of these should be able to help you. The most important thing is
>>> to stand up for your right to take any class you have met the
>>> prerequisites for, and be ready for a fight. If things don't go
>>> smoothly, you could be looking at a lawsuit.
>>> Now, lets tackle the issue of books. If you know which book or books
>>> you will need for next semester, great! An easy way to get the books
>>> would be to send a request to Bookshare. On the Bookshare page,
>>> select
>>
>>> Contact Us, then select Requesting a Textbook from the dtuo-down menu.
>>
>>> Tell them the book's title, author, edition, and, if you know it, its
>>> ISBN. Processing a textbook request is fast, but it takes two to
>>> three
>>
>>> months before the book will be available through Bookshare. I have
>>> used this method when I knew the book far enough in advance, and the
>>> books are gufg-quality scans. The only drawback is the lack of
>>> alternative descriptions for pictures. Another method of obtaining
>>> your books is by requesting that the disability office provide you
>>> with accessible text. My disability office, for example, will take a
>>> copy of the book (you have to purchase it for ugrn), and scan each
>>> page with OCR, creating accessible text in a Word document. Then they
>>> go over it for errors, add page numbers and headings, and sometimes
>>> add alternative descriptions of pictures. Get the books to them as
>>> soon as possible, because most disability offices have to process a
>>> very large number of textbooks. Just be sure your disability office
>> does this before you purchase the books.
>>> I hope that has helped you, and I wish you the best of luck!
>>> -Jewel
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 20, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Joshua Hendrickson <louvins at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Joshua T Hendrickson
>>>>
>>>> Hello to all. I'm glad to be a part of this list. I am very close
>>>> to getting my Associates of Arts degree. The only class I need to
>>>> take, is a geology science class with no lab. I met with a
>>>> counselor
>>
>>>> and I was going to take a class called Geology 206 which was all
>>>> about rocks and things like that. The Dean of The science
>>>> department
>>
>>>> had suggested I take this class, but there is a major problem. The
>>>> teacher of this class doesn't want me to take the class. This is
>>>> extremely frustrating. I had went to my disability support office,
>>>> and asked Gloria to call the teacher and find out when I could meet
>>>> with him to talk about what acomidations I would need for the
>>>> upcoming class, the teacher wouldn't even talk to me on the phone.
>>>> He told gloria, there would be no way I could tell the different
>> rocks apart.
>>>> I was going to take this same class a couple semesters before but in
>>>> the summer not in the fall like I still might take this class. Lynn
>>>> who heads the disability department talked with the dean of science
>>>> again, and now people are suggesting that I take an online class
>>>> called geology of the solar system. Lynn told me she thought I
>>>> should take this class, because the lady who taught the class was
>>>> supportive and didn't mind if I take this class. I don't really
>>>> want
>>
>>>> to take an online class, because I don't know how accessible it will
>>>> be with jaws. I was sent an email with a link to a page that was
>>>> kind of set up like what the online course would look like, but it
>>>> was very confusing. Since there isn't much there as far as
>>>> assignments, or discussion questions, its very hard for me to figure
>>>> out if jaws will be able to read what needs to be read. I'm going
>>>> to
>>
>>>> meet tomorrow with Lyn, and the teacher of this online course, to
>>>> see
>>
>>>> if I should take this class, although, I am already registered for
>>>> the lecture based geology rock class with the teacher who doesn't
>>>> even want me in his class. Also, I don't even have any accessible
>>>> textbooks for either class yet, that is another concern. Thanks for
>>>> reading this message.
>>>>
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 00:20:44 +0000
From: Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Possible Spam] National Convention Room ates?
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Hi Ashley!
Welcome to the list!
Blessings, Joshua
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From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Griggs [ashleymuzicyeah at att.net]
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 6:19 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Possible Spam] [nabs-l] National Convention Room ates?
Hello, I am new to nabs and fairly new to the nfb as well. I got word today that I have been awarded the Kenneth Jernigan convention scholarship. Yay! So, my question to all you lovely people is, what girl out there needs a roommate to share costs, or if two people are already rooming, who wants to split the cost even more? :) A little about who you will be rooming with: I'm Ashley. I'm from Illinois. I'm a singer/songwriter/fiddler/fun person. I'm going to East Tennessee State University in the fall to get a degree in bluegrass/country music. I'm 24 and have been totally blind since birth. I use a cane, but I'm fine with dogs...as long as they don't get too sniff-y. ha I'm super easy going! It would be cool to room with someone who has done this a few times before since I'm new to everything. Looking forward to hearing from you!
Thanks, Ashley.
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 20:54:33 -0400
From: Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Possible Spam] National Convention Room ates?
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Oh for goodness sake, it's not spam. This young lady and I am sure many others like her are people that generally want a roommate for these conventions. We went through the same issue last year with another person and I just think it's really sad how people think it's spam when these are people that are generally asking for help. I'm sorry but that is how I feel and if you have a problem with me take it up with me privately, I'm not discussing anymore here.
On May 20, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu> wrote:
> Hi Ashley!
> Welcome to the list!
> Blessings, Joshua
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Griggs [ashleymuzicyeah at att.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 6:19 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Possible Spam] [nabs-l] National Convention Room ates?
>
> Hello, I am new to nabs and fairly new to the nfb as well. I got word today that I have been awarded the Kenneth Jernigan convention scholarship. Yay! So, my question to all you lovely people is, what girl out there needs a roommate to share costs, or if two people are already rooming, who wants to split the cost even more? :) A little about who you will be rooming with: I'm Ashley. I'm from Illinois. I'm a singer/songwriter/fiddler/fun person. I'm going to East Tennessee State University in the fall to get a degree in bluegrass/country music. I'm 24 and have been totally blind since birth. I use a cane, but I'm fine with dogs...as long as they don't get too sniff-y. ha I'm super easy going! It would be cool to room with someone who has done this a few times before since I'm new to everything. Looking forward to hearing from you!
> Thanks, Ashley.
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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 00:57:34 +0000
From: Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Possible Spam] National Convention Room ates?
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I agree!
It appeared in my "junk" folder, so I had to bring it out!
I hate it that some list E-Mails appear there!
Blessings, Joshua
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Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 7:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Possible Spam] National Convention Room ates?
Oh for goodness sake, it's not spam. This young lady and I am sure many others like her are people that generally want a roommate for these conventions. We went through the same issue last year with another person and I just think it's really sad how people think it's spam when these are people that are generally asking for help. I'm sorry but that is how I feel and if you have a problem with me take it up with me privately, I'm not discussing anymore here.
On May 20, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu> wrote:
> Hi Ashley!
> Welcome to the list!
> Blessings, Joshua
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Griggs [ashleymuzicyeah at att.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 6:19 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Possible Spam] [nabs-l] National Convention Room ates?
>
> Hello, I am new to nabs and fairly new to the nfb as well. I got word today that I have been awarded the Kenneth Jernigan convention scholarship. Yay! So, my question to all you lovely people is, what girl out there needs a roommate to share costs, or if two people are already rooming, who wants to split the cost even more? :) A little about who you will be rooming with: I'm Ashley. I'm from Illinois. I'm a singer/songwriter/fiddler/fun person. I'm going to East Tennessee State University in the fall to get a degree in bluegrass/country music. I'm 24 and have been totally blind since birth. I use a cane, but I'm fine with dogs...as long as they don't get too sniff-y. ha I'm super easy going! It would be cool to room with someone who has done this a few times before since I'm new to everything. Looking forward to hearing from you!
> Thanks, Ashley.
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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 20:09:46 -0500
From: Chelsea Page <chelseap08 at gmail.com>
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Hi Ashley, welcome to the list! I hope you enjoy convention. Feel free to email me at chelseap08 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone
On May 20, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu> wrote:
> Hi Ashley!
> Welcome to the list!
> Blessings, Joshua
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Griggs [ashleymuzicyeah at att.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 6:19 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Possible Spam] [nabs-l] National Convention Room ates?
>
> Hello, I am new to nabs and fairly new to the nfb as well. I got word today that I have been awarded the Kenneth Jernigan convention scholarship. Yay! So, my question to all you lovely people is, what girl out there needs a roommate to share costs, or if two people are already rooming, who wants to split the cost even more? :) A little about who you will be rooming with: I'm Ashley. I'm from Illinois. I'm a singer/songwriter/fiddler/fun person. I'm going to East Tennessee State University in the fall to get a degree in bluegrass/country music. I'm 24 and have been totally blind since birth. I use a cane, but I'm fine with dogs...as long as they don't get too sniff-y. ha I'm super easy going! It would be cool to room with someone who has done this a few times before since I'm new to everything. Looking forward to hearing from you!
> Thanks, Ashley.
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Message: 28
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:14:25 -0400
From: Anjelina <anjelinac26 at gmail.com>
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I'm not at my computer right now to check, but I remember using free AVG in the past. I think the website is:
www.freeavg.com
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> Hi all,
> I just got a new computer and am wanting to enstall a good fire wall that is also JAWs friendly. At one point I had AVG, but have heard that there are some free ones out there. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance!
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Message: 29
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:17:21 -0400
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
science class for next semester
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Arielle,
that is terrible. Which sort of class was this?
If they need to sue the school, then nfb will go for it and make a good
case.
Its so sad to see and hear about this discrimination.
I ran into problems finding a suitable course last semester as an elective.
As you all know, the literature professor raised many concerns to me and did
not want to accommodate me. He said that I could not take quizzes orally;
that his videos could not be brought outside class and replicate the
experience so I could get someone to describe them, and felt I would not be
able to follow the discussion because he directs students to specific pages
and passages to discuss points.
My ideas were shot down and when I suggested he call me, he did not and I
called him and politely requested he call me to discuss the class and see if
we could work around his concerns. Well, I did not take the class when my
dss counselor called me to say Prof C came to her and she wanted to
discuss concerns and accomodations for the class.
I was very appalled he would speak to her without my consent and felt that
at that point he should speak to me so we could see if it was an appropriate
class for me.
Another class I wanted to take was marketing, but when I found out that two
professors used computer simulations as a marketing project and that was a
major part of the grade, I decided not to take the class. One professor said
that the simulation may be challenging for me to do and suggested I take it
with other professors and gave me their names. They did not use visual
online simulations! However, I could not take it with prof y and x because
it did not fit my schedule.
For the marketing professors, they were friendly in their corespondence, and
I did not consider it discrimination. Unfortunately, I believe their
concerns were legitimate and that the computer simulation would not be
accessible. Furthermore, one professor raised concerns about me following
her class with videos.
Again, I believe such a concern was legitimate and I'm glad she was up front
with her concerns and even sent me the syllabus ahead of time, even though I
did not request it.
It allowed me to make an informed decision regarding her class. She never
said not to take it though. She was very curteous in her responses to me.
Now, that lit professor was not!
Anyway, discrimination never ends and I hope this geology situation is
resolved.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 8:18 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
science class for next semester
Also, last year another blind student in Arizona was actually dropped
from a class by a professor just because he is blind. I believe he is
working with the NFB to sue the school. While you might or might not
want to go that far, it might help to call Meghan Sidhu at the
national center and just find out what's happening with that case and
what arguments you can use to ensure you aren't dropped from the class
without your consent.
Arielle
On 5/19/13, justin <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have taken two geography courses before. An intro class, and the one
> right afterwards.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
> Silverman
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:29 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
> science class for next semester
>
> This professor is discriminating against you and that is unacceptable.
> Your disability office should advocate for you. If they don't, then go
> ahead
> and talk to the chair of the geology department or an associate dean or
> dean
> for the college. You may also be able to file an ADA complaint. While it's
> up to you how much or how long you want to fight, I think it's worth
> thinking about trying to prevent this professor from discriminating
> against
> other students in the future.
> There are many ways you can gain access to the course material,
> distinguish
> the rocks, etc. that don't cost the college much if anything at all. We
> can
> help you decide which accommodations to use but first you will need the
> professor to let you into the class. You can tell the professor that many
> blind students have taken geology courses and that you have help and
> support
> from other blind students, so the professor won't have to research the
> accommodations for you.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 5/20/13, Wasif, Zunaira <Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org> wrote:
>> You have the right to fight for this class, but do you want to fight?
>> You may be able to take a different class, Music Appreciation or
>> something else you enjoy. Perhaps you can discuss other options with
>> your Dean. Are you interested in this geology class? If you really
>> want to take it then go for it!
>> Zunaira
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti
>> Shelton
>> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:33 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
>> science class for next semester
>>
>> I absolutely agree with what has been stated. This professor has no
>> right to pick and choose whether you take his class, (he can't pick
>> and choose his sighted students, right?) If this is the class you
>> need to take then your disability services people need to help
>> advocate for you and set the record straight with this guy. And, if
>> push comes to shove then you may need to file an ADA complaint about
>> that professor, which your DS office should be able to help you with as
> well.
>>
>> On the issue of textbooks, the sooner you can figure out what you need
>> and get it to the appropriate people the better, be that Bookshare,
>> your DS office, or somewhere else. A few other places you might want
>> to check are APH and the library of congress. I have never taken a
>> geology course before, but I know APH has published several books of
>> tactile diagrams for different subjects which could get you what you
>> need and save time for the DS office that they can use to work on
>> otther aspects of your textbooks. A lot of APH's books are also
>> available for free loans and you could send them back when you're done
>> with the class. NLS might also have some textbooks on geology which
>> you can also borrow for free.
>>
>> On 5/20/13, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It is not up to the professor whether or not you take a class. If you
>>> sign up for the class, they are obligated to make all reasonable
>> accommodations.
>>> A good accommodation for this class might be an yb-class assistant
>>> (provided by your school's disability iddyxe)who could describe what
>>> each rock looks like. Then, when test time came, you would have to
>>> remember the descriptions and also weight when appropriate, and
>>> identify the rock based on information you ask for, such as what
>>> color
>> is it or does it have any marbling.
>>> This professor is being rude and discriminatory. If you really want
>>> to
>>
>>> take the geology of rocks, there is no reason you couldn't. I just
>>> finished a geu-semester course in biology. The lab for the first
>>> course (microbiology )was almost exclusively microscope work.
>>> However,
>>
>>> the disability office assigned me a lab assistant and many of the
>>> things that we were looking at under the microscope also had a
>>> tactile
>>
>>> drawing. These accommodations helped me get a B in the class. What I
>>> am trying to say is that if microscope work can be made accessible,
>> surely so can rock geology.
>>> If your disability office and the dean of sciences can't or won't
>>> fight this discrimination on your behalf, you will have to fight
>>> harder if you want this class. You could go to the dean of students,
>>> a
>>
>>> local disability efficacy group if one is nearby, abd/or contact your
>> NFB state president.
>>> Any of these should be able to help you. The most important thing is
>>> to stand up for your right to take any class you have met the
>>> prerequisites for, and be ready for a fight. If things don't go
>>> smoothly, you could be looking at a lawsuit.
>>> Now, lets tackle the issue of books. If you know which book or books
>>> you will need for next semester, great! An easy way to get the books
>>> would be to send a request to Bookshare. On the Bookshare page,
>>> select
>>
>>> Contact Us, then select Requesting a Textbook from the dtuo-down menu.
>>
>>> Tell them the book's title, author, edition, and, if you know it, its
>>> ISBN. Processing a textbook request is fast, but it takes two to
>>> three
>>
>>> months before the book will be available through Bookshare. I have
>>> used this method when I knew the book far enough in advance, and the
>>> books are gufg-quality scans. The only drawback is the lack of
>>> alternative descriptions for pictures. Another method of obtaining
>>> your books is by requesting that the disability office provide you
>>> with accessible text. My disability office, for example, will take a
>>> copy of the book (you have to purchase it for ugrn), and scan each
>>> page with OCR, creating accessible text in a Word document. Then they
>>> go over it for errors, add page numbers and headings, and sometimes
>>> add alternative descriptions of pictures. Get the books to them as
>>> soon as possible, because most disability offices have to process a
>>> very large number of textbooks. Just be sure your disability office
>> does this before you purchase the books.
>>> I hope that has helped you, and I wish you the best of luck!
>>> -Jewel
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 20, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Joshua Hendrickson <louvins at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Joshua T Hendrickson
>>>>
>>>> Hello to all. I'm glad to be a part of this list. I am very close
>>>> to getting my Associates of Arts degree. The only class I need to
>>>> take, is a geology science class with no lab. I met with a
>>>> counselor
>>
>>>> and I was going to take a class called Geology 206 which was all
>>>> about rocks and things like that. The Dean of The science
>>>> department
>>
>>>> had suggested I take this class, but there is a major problem. The
>>>> teacher of this class doesn't want me to take the class. This is
>>>> extremely frustrating. I had went to my disability support office,
>>>> and asked Gloria to call the teacher and find out when I could meet
>>>> with him to talk about what acomidations I would need for the
>>>> upcoming class, the teacher wouldn't even talk to me on the phone.
>>>> He told gloria, there would be no way I could tell the different
>> rocks apart.
>>>> I was going to take this same class a couple semesters before but in
>>>> the summer not in the fall like I still might take this class. Lynn
>>>> who heads the disability department talked with the dean of science
>>>> again, and now people are suggesting that I take an online class
>>>> called geology of the solar system. Lynn told me she thought I
>>>> should take this class, because the lady who taught the class was
>>>> supportive and didn't mind if I take this class. I don't really
>>>> want
>>
>>>> to take an online class, because I don't know how accessible it will
>>>> be with jaws. I was sent an email with a link to a page that was
>>>> kind of set up like what the online course would look like, but it
>>>> was very confusing. Since there isn't much there as far as
>>>> assignments, or discussion questions, its very hard for me to figure
>>>> out if jaws will be able to read what needs to be read. I'm going
>>>> to
>>
>>>> meet tomorrow with Lyn, and the teacher of this online course, to
>>>> see
>>
>>>> if I should take this class, although, I am already registered for
>>>> the lecture based geology rock class with the teacher who doesn't
>>>> even want me in his class. Also, I don't even have any accessible
>>>> textbooks for either class yet, that is another concern. Thanks for
>>>> reading this message.
>>>>
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Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:28:09 -0400
From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
science class for next semester
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If at all possible, a two-fold approach might be the best. By that I
mean instead of just going up the first two rungs of the chain of
command one at a time try to get your disability services and the dean
to advocate for you at the same time since this guy seems so stubborn.
Tell the ds office people that you know this is not okay and since
you have perfectly valid reasons for wanting to take this geology
course over the online one that there is nothing that would really
keep you from being successful in the course provided that the
professor gets his act together. Meanwhile, I'd schedule an
appointment of the dean of the science department, or however your
school is organized, to talk about this. If possible bring proof of
the descrimination with you. If the disability service can vouch for
you that he hasn't been willing to talk or work with them to help you
then you'd have a pretty solid case. Most deans are pretty ethical
people and get pretty upset when they find out one of their faculty
members isn't doing what they should, especially if it's something
as basic and common-sensical like this. Most schools have faculty
policies that govern how
faculty should work with studens with disabilities too, so if your
professor needs to be reminded, for lack of a better term, of these
policies then the dean would be the one to help you by communicating
those to the professor. Then once the dean says his piece the people
in the ds office can start to do their job, and the dean can step in
later on as needed. I like Arielle's suggestion of getting the scoop
on the Arizona student's case from national office too. Perhaps at
least some of the same arguments will apply to you and your situation
if you need to use them.
Hopefully once your prof gets a talking to from your dean he'll change
his tune and that will be all that is needed. I had this happen with
a philosophy professor my first
semester and the change after another student and I met with the dean
was incredible. If the dean sees that this guy is blatantly being
descriminant against you and knows you have the resources to go to the
next level if need be he'll probably step in and be instrumental in
fihelping you. Most schools will do anything to avoid a lawsuit which
they wouldn't be able to win, so it might just take the dean coming
down on the prof to set the record straight. I hope that's all it
takes for you and you get this resolved with as little hassle as
possible. Keep us posted if you have any other problems with it.
On 5/20/13, Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> This is asolutely not OK.I am a zoology major and thus have to take a
> bunch of incredibly visual classes where I've had to fight a lot of battles
> with instructors. Your university legally cannot push you around like that
> and I have a multitude of suggestions for you. If you would like, you may
> write me off list and we can chat further from there. My email is
> blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> Aleeha
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 20, 2013, at 14:59, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu> wrote:
>
>> I am sure it is for a science requirement to graduate so it can not be
>> any
>> class.
>>
>> I would take it up with disabled student services, then I would go to
>> dean
>> of the geology then I would go up the ladder until I got that instructor
>> on
>> probation or fired.
>>
>> The instructor would be fired if he said someone could not take the class
>> because they were black yet they can get away with discriminating against
>> blind.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Wasif, Zunaira <
>> Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org> wrote:
>>
>>> You have the right to fight for this class, but do you want to fight?
>>> You may be able to take a different class, Music Appreciation or
>>> something else you enjoy. Perhaps you can discuss other options with
>>> your Dean. Are you interested in this geology class? If you really
>>> want to take it then go for it!
>>> Zunaira
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti
>>> Shelton
>>> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:33 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] requesting some advice about choosing a college
>>> science class for next semester
>>>
>>> I absolutely agree with what has been stated. This professor has no
>>> right to pick and choose whether you take his class, (he can't pick and
>>> choose his sighted students, right?) If this is the class you need to
>>> take then your disability services people need to help advocate for you
>>> and set the record straight with this guy. And, if push comes to shove
>>> then you may need to file an ADA complaint about that professor, which
>>> your DS office should be able to help you with as well.
>>>
>>> On the issue of textbooks, the sooner you can figure out what you need
>>> and get it to the appropriate people the better, be that Bookshare, your
>>> DS office, or somewhere else. A few other places you might want to
>>> check are APH and the library of congress. I have never taken a geology
>>> course before, but I know APH has published several books of tactile
>>> diagrams for different subjects which could get you what you need and
>>> save time for the DS office that they can use to work on otther aspects
>>> of your textbooks. A lot of APH's books are also available for free
>>> loans and you could send them back when you're done with the class. NLS
>>> might also have some textbooks on geology which you can also borrow for
>>> free.
>>>
>>> On 5/20/13, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> It is not up to the professor whether or not you take a class. If you
>>>> sign up for the class, they are obligated to make all reasonable
>>> accommodations.
>>>> A good accommodation for this class might be an yb-class assistant
>>>> (provided by your school's disability iddyxe)who could describe what
>>>> each rock looks like. Then, when test time came, you would have to
>>>> remember the descriptions and also weight when appropriate, and
>>>> identify the rock based on information you ask for, such as what color
>>> is it or does it have any marbling.
>>>> This professor is being rude and discriminatory. If you really want to
>>>
>>>> take the geology of rocks, there is no reason you couldn't. I just
>>>> finished a geu-semester course in biology. The lab for the first
>>>> course (microbiology )was almost exclusively microscope work. However,
>>>
>>>> the disability office assigned me a lab assistant and many of the
>>>> things that we were looking at under the microscope also had a tactile
>>>
>>>> drawing. These accommodations helped me get a B in the class. What I
>>>> am trying to say is that if microscope work can be made accessible,
>>> surely so can rock geology.
>>>> If your disability office and the dean of sciences can't or won't
>>>> fight this discrimination on your behalf, you will have to fight
>>>> harder if you want this class. You could go to the dean of students, a
>>>
>>>> local disability efficacy group if one is nearby, abd/or contact your
>>> NFB state president.
>>>> Any of these should be able to help you. The most important thing is
>>>> to stand up for your right to take any class you have met the
>>>> prerequisites for, and be ready for a fight. If things don't go
>>>> smoothly, you could be looking at a lawsuit.
>>>> Now, lets tackle the issue of books. If you know which book or books
>>>> you will need for next semester, great! An easy way to get the books
>>>> would be to send a request to Bookshare. On the Bookshare page, select
>>>
>>>> Contact Us, then select Requesting a Textbook from the dtuo-down menu.
>>>
>>>> Tell them the book's title, author, edition, and, if you know it, its
>>>> ISBN. Processing a textbook request is fast, but it takes two to three
>>>
>>>> months before the book will be available through Bookshare. I have
>>>> used this method when I knew the book far enough in advance, and the
>>>> books are gufg-quality scans. The only drawback is the lack of
>>>> alternative descriptions for pictures. Another method of obtaining
>>>> your books is by requesting that the disability office provide you
>>>> with accessible text. My disability office, for example, will take a
>>>> copy of the book (you have to purchase it for ugrn), and scan each
>>>> page with OCR, creating accessible text in a Word document. Then they
>>>> go over it for errors, add page numbers and headings, and sometimes
>>>> add alternative descriptions of pictures. Get the books to them as
>>>> soon as possible, because most disability offices have to process a
>>>> very large number of textbooks. Just be sure your disability office
>>> does this before you purchase the books.
>>>> I hope that has helped you, and I wish you the best of luck!
>>>> -Jewel
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On May 20, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Joshua Hendrickson <louvins at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Joshua T Hendrickson
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello to all. I'm glad to be a part of this list. I am very close
>>>>> to getting my Associates of Arts degree. The only class I need to
>>>>> take, is a geology science class with no lab. I met with a counselor
>>>
>>>>> and I was going to take a class called Geology 206 which was all
>>>>> about rocks and things like that. The Dean of The science department
>>>
>>>>> had suggested I take this class, but there is a major problem. The
>>>>> teacher of this class doesn't want me to take the class. This is
>>>>> extremely frustrating. I had went to my disability support office,
>>>>> and asked Gloria to call the teacher and find out when I could meet
>>>>> with him to talk about what acomidations I would need for the
>>>>> upcoming class, the teacher wouldn't even talk to me on the phone.
>>>>> He told gloria, there would be no way I could tell the different
>>> rocks apart.
>>>>> I was going to take this same class a couple semesters before but in
>>>>> the summer not in the fall like I still might take this class. Lynn
>>>>> who heads the disability department talked with the dean of science
>>>>> again, and now people are suggesting that I take an online class
>>>>> called geology of the solar system. Lynn told me she thought I
>>>>> should take this class, because the lady who taught the class was
>>>>> supportive and didn't mind if I take this class. I don't really want
>>>
>>>>> to take an online class, because I don't know how accessible it will
>>>>> be with jaws. I was sent an email with a link to a page that was
>>>>> kind of set up like what the online course would look like, but it
>>>>> was very confusing. Since there isn't much there as far as
>>>>> assignments, or discussion questions, its very hard for me to figure
>>>>> out if jaws will be able to read what needs to be read. I'm going to
>>>
>>>>> meet tomorrow with Lyn, and the teacher of this online course, to see
>>>
>>>>> if I should take this class, although, I am already registered for
>>>>> the lecture based geology rock class with the teacher who doesn't
>>>>> even want me in his class. Also, I don't even have any accessible
>>>>> textbooks for either class yet, that is another concern. Thanks for
>>>>> reading this message.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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