[nabs-l] Need some help college issues

Sat Nov 23 02:27:33 UTC 2013

I wonder where Helga's professor got the book from!
Braille is so expensive, and hard to come by!
Good grief!
It's like I told the head boss of the DSS offices of my college, we need embossers on all three campuses, because if there are other sight impaired students in the future, they need to have the resources, and the knowhow to Braille the text for them!
Blessings, Joshua
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From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Josh Gregory [joshkart12 at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 8:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Need some help college issues

Sounds like a real pain in the you know what, if you have the facilities and the resources, see if you can get your book in braille.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 22, 2013, at 9:01 PM, Bridget Walker <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> I know right. Pearson told me to downgrade internet explorer and jaws. They said they used math ml which was designed for jaws 12 and earlier. Ok let's get real here we are on jaws what 15. So I think some updates are necessary. The overall Pearson page was ok with jaws until I got in to my account on my math lab. I couldn't find my course not by bringing up a links list or using the jaws find feature.
> I don't know they told me if I am using ie like 10 or something I need to downgrade. Not for nothing I just got a new laptop I am not downgrading anything.
> The IT department at my college set up a laptop which should make jaws and math ml compatible  for my math lab but no one tested it. I have to be real I do t have the time to play with different versions to see what works.
> Thanks
> Bridget
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 22, 2013, at 8:15 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Helga, this is awesome!
>> Your professor actually bought the Braille book for you?
>> Send him to my college!
>> They wouldn't dare do something like that for me.
>> Math is one thing that you really need Braille for.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Helga Schreiber [helga.schreiber at hotmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 6:57 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Need some help college issues
>>
>> Hi Bridget, this is Helga. Sorry to hear all these situations that you're going through in your college. I actually can't believe that your professors are not coperating in giving you accommodations; I think that's not fair. I actually experience the same things that you are going through, not really with my professors, but with the Dissability office. They were not providing me accomodations that I needed for my classes, like having stuff in Braille. So I actually talked to the Vice President of my college, and told him what was happening regarding the DSS department, and he did something about it. For instance, I'm taking a Pre-Calculus math class, and Literature class this semester,  and for my math class I wanted a Braille Pre-Calculus book, and he actually bought the book for me, and I'm using it a lot this semester. Actually this math book cost 3500 dollars. And I actually face many issues with the DSS department still. In fact, just to let you know, my professors coper
>> ate with me, for instance my math professor   makes me take her test in her office, and she scribes for me, and she is actually the head chair of the math department at my college.  Also, I know that my math lab site is not accessible with with JAWS, for that my mom help me read the site. By the way, have you tried to talk to the Vice President regarding these situations? Also, What is the name of your college, and what kind of math class are you taking this semester, where you need to use my math lab site? Just curious. If you want you can contact me off list, and then I can tell you in more detail the situations that I faced in my college, and which I'm still are right now! My email address is helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Thanks for listening to me, and God bless!! ;)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 22, 2013, at 5:27 PM, "Jamie Principato" <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bridget,
>>>
>>> I invite you to contact me off list, and is be happy to discuss this situation with you and perhaps help you a numerate some options. I had a very similar situation at my previous university in Florida, and eventually did have to take legal action against the university before issues in the Math and disability services departments were addressed. Though I've since left that school, it improved tremendously as a result of our lawsuit and will be better now for future blind students. Anyway, I hate to see anyone going through what you've described without support, and I would love to share my experience and help you in any way I can.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Jamie
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Nov 22, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Bridget Walker <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks everyone for the feedback. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this is crazy. I'm acting on everything trying to plan my next step. I'll keep you posted.
>>>>
>>>> Bridget
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 22, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Joshua Hendrickson <louvins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Bridget.  This situation is not right at all.  I know how difficult
>>>>> using my math lab can be.  I used tutors to read me the questions that
>>>>> were on the my math lab site and did the questions with my tutor.  I
>>>>> didn't do all the questions, but about half of them, my math
>>>>> professors were very acomidating in this regard.  I took the tests for
>>>>> my math classes, some with the instructors, and some at our colleges
>>>>> testing center.  I'd say geometry was one of the hardest math classes
>>>>> I took, but some of the algebra wasn't so bad.  Since you have CP, can
>>>>> you use a brailler ok?  If so, you should use a brailler to write out
>>>>> some of your math problems so you'll understand them.  This does take
>>>>> sometime, but is really worth it in the long run.  If I had had one of
>>>>> the new notetakers with Nemith braiolle input, I would have used it.
>>>>> What your school is doing is completely wrong.  I'm very surprised
>>>>> your Disability Support Office didn't help you if your school has a DS
>>>>> office.  Please keep us posted on what happens.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/22/13, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> This is true. VR fought me on something and once I filed an official
>>>>>> appeal, all of a sudden what I was asking for was approved. They did not
>>>>>> want to do the legal channel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree if she has done all the channel at the school she needs to do the
>>>>>> next step. In the meantime is there any blind org in your area that could
>>>>>> help provide braille and the other things you need?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a lot of usable vision but am totally color blind and when I asked
>>>>>> DRC for ideas on handling diagrams with color coded lines in my computer
>>>>>> organization, the first thing they offered was to make tactile versions of
>>>>>> every diagram in the book.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Her school is being completely unreasonable and I think legal action may be
>>>>>> necessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suzanne
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Joshua Lester
>>>>>> <JLester8462 at pccua.edu>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah!
>>>>>>> She has gone to all of the higher-ups in the school, and nothing's
>>>>>>> changing.
>>>>>>> Once they know she means business, and they hear that a lawsuit is
>>>>>>> probable, they'll give her what she needs!
>>>>>>> Most people want to avoid lawsuits, so if we "Scare them straight,"
>>>>>>> they'll do what's right by her!
>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [
>>>>>>> justin.williams2 at gmail.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 8:59 AM
>>>>>>> To: tyler at tysdomain.com; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>>>>> list'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Need some help college issues
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where should she take it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
>>>>>>> Tyler
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 9:53 AM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Need some help college issues
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why is it that instead of working on alternative options, everyone jumps
>>>>>>> straight for a lawsuit? Maybe she has went through a ton of options, but
>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>> not take it higher rather than say "o gawd nfb time lets sue lets sue
>>>>>>> lets
>>>>>>> sue o yeah lawsuit!"
>>>>>>>> On 11/22/2013 4:49 AM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>>>>> Bridget!
>>>>>>>> Good grief!
>>>>>>>> You've already gone the nice route, so now it's time to contact Chris
>>>>>>> Danielson, and get the NFB involved!
>>>>>>>> Can anyone say lawsuit?
>>>>>>>> I wouldn't reckomend suing unless you've exhausted all of your options,
>>>>>>> but it looks like you have!
>>>>>>>> Good grief!
>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Bobbi Pompey
>>>>>>>> [pompey2010 at yahoo.com]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 1:54 AM
>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Need some help college issues
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is ridiculous. Based on the info provided, you have spoken with DS
>>>>>>> and professors. And both haven given you I ignorant, insensitive, rude,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> most importantly illegal feedback. In my opinion this is the proper time
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> work your way up the chain of command. Talk to the head of
>>>>>>> departments/colleges that the class falls under. Talk to the department
>>>>>>> chair over DS. And need be, talk to the Chanselor. Document everything
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> had occurred and remind them of their legal obligations. I'm not saying
>>>>>>> sue
>>>>>>> or threaten to sue them. But in my experiences, Judy saying the word
>>>>>>> "illegal" scares them because they don't want a lawsuit. Plus it lets
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> know that you know your rights.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've had similar situations and this is what I did. I hope this helps!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey
>>>>>>>> (336) 988-6375
>>>>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 22, 2013, at 12:26 AM, Bridget Walker
>>>>>>>>> <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>> I have reached a point where I need all the help I can get. First it
>>>>>>> helps to have some background. My primary disability is blindness due to
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> TBI. I have another component to my condition which is spastic CP.
>>>>>>>>> So I am now a junior, an education major, and think I have it all. At
>>>>>>> least that's how the semester starts.
>>>>>>>>> I need to know what do I do if due to my secondary disabilities that
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> not blindness professors either refuse to accommodate me all together or
>>>>>>> focus on one disability and not the other?
>>>>>>>>> My next question is in the area of equal access. I am all for
>>>>>>>>> advocating
>>>>>>> for yourself in this area and using whatever you have to get the job
>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>> One of my professors uses google sites and although I made her along
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> DS aware of the accessibility problem I am still required to use the
>>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> sent everyone the letter Sean sent the list with my explanation but they
>>>>>>> don't care.
>>>>>>>>> Now we move on to art. I'm taking a sculpture class nice and tactile.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> professor refuses to grade me because I'm blind and have CP. I can't see
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> can't move my hands the way other people do. She said I receive a pass
>>>>>>> fail
>>>>>>> for the class and am required to do everything but not for an actual
>>>>>>> letter
>>>>>>> grade. She told me at the start I can see powerpoints. Ok no if I read
>>>>>>> Braille, have a guide dog, and get migraines when I use my eyes I don't
>>>>>>> think I can see. DS didn't even back me up I had to bring my eye report
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the head of the art department to prove my disability. Let's add in the
>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>> there is already documentation about my disability at DS.
>>>>>>>>> Finally we get to math. Let me say I knew math was going to be a
>>>>>>> challenge. My book is I not accessible on my math lab with jaws 15. The
>>>>>>> college wanted me to downgrade my screen reader and my IE version so my
>>>>>>> math
>>>>>>> lab might work. I tested it with an older version of jaws and windows
>>>>>>> seven
>>>>>>> it is not compatible as far spas I know. Bigger point I should not be
>>>>>>> downgrading my technology for a book.
>>>>>>>>> Then to have them say what is the big deal?
>>>>>>>>> We have an embosser on campus. We are lucky. I have Braille as an
>>>>>>> accommodation but, we need someone to Braille my tests because I can't
>>>>>>> that's not ok and DS is not trained. DS has brailled before and did well
>>>>>>> they just won't do it I guess a confidence thing. So I have to take my
>>>>>>> tests
>>>>>>> with jaws. Jaws and math are not a good combo.
>>>>>>>>> I just want to know what do people think of all of this?
>>>>>>>>> I have met with as many resources on campus to reach a common ground
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> I get nowhere.
>>>>>>>>> I have a year and a half left. I don't want it to be like this.
>>>>>>>>> I feel like I take five steps forward and ten steps back.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>> Bridget
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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