[nabs-l] Best techniques for group computer science projects

Tue Oct 29 03:18:37 UTC 2013

Suzanne,
Well, then, you have to write the code; no way around that. But is there 
another way to participate too?
Perhaps, presenting it to the class or compiling a reference sheet for it?
Also, most computers have a magnification option. Since you have so much 
vision, and say you can even see small print, why not enlarge the print on 
the regular screen the students use?
I understand you want everything visible, but I don't think you can have 
everything given the constraints of your vision and working with a group.
I like the idea of the Zoomtext bar; not being too familiar with zoomtext, I 
forgot about that.

I don't think you should use a platform like Go to Meeting if other students 
want to sit together and work this out. I think you should work around them, 
not the other way around.

Another option might be to simply do a smaller project yourself. I've 
occasionally done this with the permission of the instructor.

I hope it works out.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Suzanne Germano
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:56 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Best techniques for group computer science projects

It's a programming project so we are all responsible to write code for it.

And the thing I dislike more than group projects is writing. I would really
like to graduate without ever writing another paper! Give me hours of math
and programming homework but no papers!

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com>wrote:

> I agree with Arielle here.  I actually enjoy group work(unlike most
> people I've met), and I think that the key to working with a good
> group is dividing the work properly.  Perhaps you can be the writer
> for the group, or maybe you can edit what the others come up with
> while taking notes so that you can help along the way.  I don't know
> the specifics of the project, but it would be good for you to
> communicate clearly with your group that it would be good for everyone
> to have specific goals.  This will help the entire project run more
> smoothly.
>
>
>
> On 10/28/13, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Suzanne and all,
> >
> > I can understand why listening to a reader might not be optimal, but
> > it sounds like trying to use your vision is not optimal either, which
> > is why you are asking us for advice. In the end you will need to
> > decide which method works better in which situation. A reader can
> > filter the content down to the part you really need to know. Perhaps
> > you can take notes while you are listening to the reader, or you could
> > be writer for the group and type the code rather than having to read
> > and inspect the code. There is no perfect solution here; the best one
> > will depend on what it is you have to do. But I would encourage you to
> > give some serious thought to nonvisual solutions.
> > Best,
> > Arielle
> >
> > On 10/28/13, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu> wrote:
> >> Ugh I hate not having control over what I see. I do not do anything 
> >> with
> >> a
> >> reader so I pretty much am not used to listening and remembering and
> >> working under those conditions. I want to scan the code and see what
> >> needs
> >> to be done no rely or trust someone else. I have so much usable vision
> it
> >> is very hard to get people to understand I can't see it on their
> >> computer.
> >> I write and read all my notes and not super huge. Larger than others
> >> write
> >> but nothing where people would automatically think I had a vision 
> >> issue.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:03 PM, christopher nusbaum <
> >> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In these situations I often ask one of my partners in the group to be
> >>> a reader for me. If it is a group of two or more, this is most easily
> >>> done by the person who is sitting closest to the computer. Based on my
> >>> experience with these types of group projects, I must advise you to
> >>> make sure you hold that reader accountable. Sometimes some group
> >>> members can get off task, holding back the other members of the group.
> >>> If you are relying on one member of the group to read you the
> >>> information on the computer screen and that reader gets off task, you
> >>> are at a loss. So, you might need to "mag" your reader if this is
> >>> necessary.
> >>>
> >>> Hope this helps,
> >>>
> >>> Chris Nusbaum
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> > On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu>
> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > I have a group project in one of my computer science classes and
> >>> > several
> >>> > more to come before I finish the degree. Most sighted people sit
> >>> > around
> >>> one
> >>> > computer and all look at the screen. I use ZoomText so no one likes
> to
> >>> look
> >>> > at my screen since you lose so much view but obviously I can't see
> >>> theirs.
> >>> >
> >>> > What techniques do you find work best for situations like this. It 
> >>> > is
> >>> not a
> >>> > situation that we could run dual monitors and mirror them with one
> >>> > having
> >>> > zoom text enlarged. I am also not super fond of that since what I 
> >>> > see
> >>> > depends on where they have the mouse which may not be the area we 
> >>> > are
> >>> > talking about.
> >>> >
> >>> > Thank you
> >>> >
> >>> > Suzanne
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