[nabs-l] Best techniques for group computer science projects

Tue Oct 29 03:31:08 UTC 2013

two issues here.
first, working on team projects as a comp sci student is really 
important. you don't have the ability to just take a smaller project if 
you're asked to work as a team on a project, so get used to it now. 
Learn how to use a vc system and it'll save you and your group a lot of 
headache.
Second, I'm not sure what a reference sheet is in the context of 
software development.
On 10/28/2013 11:18 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
> Suzanne,
> Well, then, you have to write the code; no way around that. But is 
> there another way to participate too?
> Perhaps, presenting it to the class or compiling a reference sheet for 
> it?
> Also, most computers have a magnification option. Since you have so 
> much vision, and say you can even see small print, why not enlarge the 
> print on the regular screen the students use?
> I understand you want everything visible, but I don't think you can 
> have everything given the constraints of your vision and working with 
> a group.
> I like the idea of the Zoomtext bar; not being too familiar with 
> zoomtext, I forgot about that.
>
>
> I don't think you should use a platform like Go to Meeting if other 
> students want to sit together and work this out. I think you should 
> work around them, not the other way around.
>
>
> Another option might be to simply do a smaller project yourself. I've 
> occasionally done this with the permission of the instructor.
>
> I hope it works out.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:56 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Best techniques for group computer science projects
>
> It's a programming project so we are all responsible to write code for 
> it.
>
> And the thing I dislike more than group projects is writing. I would 
> really
> like to graduate without ever writing another paper! Give me hours of 
> math
> and programming homework but no papers!
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Julie McGinnity 
> <kaybaycar at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I agree with Arielle here.  I actually enjoy group work(unlike most
>> people I've met), and I think that the key to working with a good
>> group is dividing the work properly.  Perhaps you can be the writer
>> for the group, or maybe you can edit what the others come up with
>> while taking notes so that you can help along the way.  I don't know
>> the specifics of the project, but it would be good for you to
>> communicate clearly with your group that it would be good for everyone
>> to have specific goals.  This will help the entire project run more
>> smoothly.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/28/13, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Suzanne and all,
>> >
>> > I can understand why listening to a reader might not be optimal, but
>> > it sounds like trying to use your vision is not optimal either, which
>> > is why you are asking us for advice. In the end you will need to
>> > decide which method works better in which situation. A reader can
>> > filter the content down to the part you really need to know. Perhaps
>> > you can take notes while you are listening to the reader, or you could
>> > be writer for the group and type the code rather than having to read
>> > and inspect the code. There is no perfect solution here; the best one
>> > will depend on what it is you have to do. But I would encourage you to
>> > give some serious thought to nonvisual solutions.
>> > Best,
>> > Arielle
>> >
>> > On 10/28/13, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu> wrote:
>> >> Ugh I hate not having control over what I see. I do not do 
>> anything >> with
>> >> a
>> >> reader so I pretty much am not used to listening and remembering and
>> >> working under those conditions. I want to scan the code and see what
>> >> needs
>> >> to be done no rely or trust someone else. I have so much usable 
>> vision
>> it
>> >> is very hard to get people to understand I can't see it on their
>> >> computer.
>> >> I write and read all my notes and not super huge. Larger than others
>> >> write
>> >> but nothing where people would automatically think I had a vision 
>> >> issue.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:03 PM, christopher nusbaum <
>> >> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> In these situations I often ask one of my partners in the group 
>> to be
>> >>> a reader for me. If it is a group of two or more, this is most 
>> easily
>> >>> done by the person who is sitting closest to the computer. Based 
>> on my
>> >>> experience with these types of group projects, I must advise you to
>> >>> make sure you hold that reader accountable. Sometimes some group
>> >>> members can get off task, holding back the other members of the 
>> group.
>> >>> If you are relying on one member of the group to read you the
>> >>> information on the computer screen and that reader gets off task, 
>> you
>> >>> are at a loss. So, you might need to "mag" your reader if this is
>> >>> necessary.
>> >>>
>> >>> Hope this helps,
>> >>>
>> >>> Chris Nusbaum
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>
>> >>> > On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I have a group project in one of my computer science classes and
>> >>> > several
>> >>> > more to come before I finish the degree. Most sighted people sit
>> >>> > around
>> >>> one
>> >>> > computer and all look at the screen. I use ZoomText so no one 
>> likes
>> to
>> >>> look
>> >>> > at my screen since you lose so much view but obviously I can't see
>> >>> theirs.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > What techniques do you find work best for situations like this. 
>> It >>> > is
>> >>> not a
>> >>> > situation that we could run dual monitors and mirror them with one
>> >>> > having
>> >>> > zoom text enlarged. I am also not super fond of that since what 
>> I >>> > see
>> >>> > depends on where they have the mouse which may not be the area 
>> we >>> > are
>> >>> > talking about.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Thank you
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Suzanne
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