[nabs-l] Students with guide dogs

Sun Sep 1 16:28:23 UTC 2013

I was just saying that if a student registered for services with DSS that
DSS cannot tell residential services or dining or anyone else on campus
anything about that student including that they have a service animal.

Every semester I have to sign several forms allowing DSS to communicate
with my specific teachers. Another form to allow them to speak to my
adviser if I want them to. Another to speak with voc rehab. So if the
school was going to have the policy it would be DSS to maintain the records
of the service dog.

I am not saying it is necessary or right. I am just saying of all the
things we need to fight throughout our lives supplying vaccines records
would be way down the list of things that I would fight.

On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Joe <jsoro620 at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's one thing for a dog, any dog, to have a rabies tag. That's responsible
> pet ownership, and it makes sense for a pet store to require such a thing
> in
> a place with a high concentration of animals in proximity. The same is true
> of pet expos and kennels. I've never encountered the requirement at
> baseball
> parks but accept this could be something common to your area.
>
>
>
> The key difference is carrying a tag versus providing proof of all vaccines
> as your previous message suggested. Pet-friendly hotels do not request this
> type of information. We should not impose stricter measures on ourselves
> simply because the service dog has greater access to public places. By that
> logic, we may as well ask people to carry about proof of human vaccines
> since we're actually more at risk of contracting a disease from our
> interactions with people than we are from our interactions with canines.
>
>
>
> If a DSS office is requesting vaccine proof of a student for their service
> animal, I think it fair for the office to point to the specific policy
> justifying the request. Yes, the policy would strike me as unnecessarily
> invasive, but it's more difficult to object to something that has been
> mandated by someone well above the DSS staff versus the staff just asking
> because they feel they need to cover themselves. It would seem odd that the
> oversight would fall to DSS instead of residential services or some office
> where the student would have greater exposure. In some schools it is not
> even required that the blind student register with DSS at all. I don't
> understand your point about DSS not being able to tell other departments
> about their clients...
>
>
>
> Prove the number of people faking service dogs is growing out of control.
> Otherwise it just sounds like an alarmist argument.
>
>
>
> I did not have problem showing an ID card when asked. That was the purpose
> of The Seeing Eye dispensing such evidence, but showing my card was by my
> own discretion and not as a result of a legal mandate. If I'm wrong about
> that, by all means set me straight, but your examples of senior discounts,
> military discounts and student discounts fall flat because those discounts
> are optional. A person seeking access to a public facility with a service
> animal is not.
>
>
>
> The idea of a card identifying legally blind people is mind-boggling.
> That's
> what we need, another database somewhere tracking the number of persons
> with
> disabilities.
>
>
>
> In short, I'm all in favor of legitimate steps to show the person has a
> right to have their dog with them in public facilities. I'm not in favor of
> unreasonable steps to excessively prove the legitimacy simply because I am
> blind and because there are a few people taking advantage of the system.
> People are not randomly pulled over to show the car they are driving
> belongs
> to them. Outside of police stings, people are not automatically questioning
> drivers with handicapped placards despite handicapped fraud. It's one thing
> to be a society of rules and quite another to be an overly suspicious
> society.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> From: Suzanne Germano [mailto:sgermano at asu.edu]
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:14 PM
> To: Joe Orozco; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>
>
>
> I am not talking about specific to guide dogs.
>
> 1) Taking your dog to pets smart you are supposed to have proof of rabies
> and shots. They don't ask but it does say it is required.
>
> 2) Dog in the park at baseball stadiums requires every owner of a dog to
> have proof on them.
>
> 3) Pet expos
>
> 4) Dog boarding and doggy daycare
> ...
>
> This is for all people and all dogs.
>
> Sorry I fail to see the big deal about providing a form to disabled
> student's services.
>
> And why disabled student services and not another department on campus is
> because disabled students services cannot tell any other department
> anything
> about their clients so how would they know who had a service dog.
>
> It is people like you with legitimate guide dogs that will start having
> tons
> of problems soon because more and more people are faking service dogs just
> so they can bring their pet to the store with them. People aren't faking
> canes so they can bring them in stores, on planes, in restaurants but they
> are faking service animals.
>
> I have no issues with showing proof when asked. It is just like if someone
> wants a benefit say senior discount, military discount, student discount,
> disabled line cuts if you chose to use them, I see nothing wrong with
> having
> to prove you fit that category. There are to many dishonest people. I wish
> I
> have a card that stated I was legally blind provided by the ADA or
> something.
>
> I had no issue showing my id card from Guide Dogs when asked. I was asked
> on
> several occasions because I have usable vision so people thought he was not
> a real guide dog.
>
> It's just like people who have handicapped placards they give you an id,
> well a slip of paper, that verifies you are entitled to the placard and you
> have to show it if asked.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Joe <jsoro620 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Suzanne,
>
> What places are requiring proof of vaccines for dogs? Showing your ID for a
> credit card transaction is done so for security purposes, not for the
> purposes of establishing legitimacy. Yes, there are people who will try to
> abuse the system, but these are far and few between. Having owned a guide
> dog for more than seven years, I would say people already face enough
> hurdles without adding to the burden of showing more proof than what the
> law
> requires. If you're going to follow that logic, we may as well bring along
> proof that our canes are canes and not weapons since canes are more readily
> available than fake ID cards for service animals.
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne
> Germano
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 4:35 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
>
> When people bring dogs to any event dogs are welcome they must show proof
> of
> vaccines and registration. I don't feel just because a dog is a guide dog
> they should be exempt from proving their shots are up to date. I guess for
> me it would not be a big deal and yes I had a guide dog in the past.
>
> I have a dog that cannot have a rabies shot due to a medical condition
> there
> fore I can not bring him to any event dogs are allowed that requires proof
> of registration this includes even things like many boarding places.
>
> Some things are worth fighting for like equal access to course materials
> but
> for me showing my dog is up to date on vaccines is not something I think is
> an issue to fight.
>
> Personally as a blind person I think people SHOULD have to prove their
> service animal is certified not just the two ADA questions because anyone
> can say their animal is a service animal and make up a need they have. You
> can even buy harnesses online and id's saying your dog is a service dog
> with
> zero proof of any training or any need for a service animal. This is going
> to lead to future problems for those who really have proper service dogs. I
> had no issue showing my ID card from Guide Dogs when asked. To me it is no
> different than showing an id when I use my credit card.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:07 PM, justin williams <
> justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > They can't, or at least, they are not supposed too.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > Littlefield, Tyler
> > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:05 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
> >
> > Exactly what point? I understand alergies, but how do you justify the
> > DS office requesting it? If someone has alergies, there needs to be
> > something said to Minh directly. It wouldn't be to hard for her or
> > someone else to move across the room or something.
> > On 8/31/2013 3:02 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
> > > Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know!
> > > This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and
> > horses!
> > > What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog
> sheds!
> > > Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue,
> > > but
> > you get the point!
> > > Blessings, Joshua
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin
> > > williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM
> > > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
> > >
> > > It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti
> > > Shelton
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM
> > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and
> > > have seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and
> otherwise.
> > > While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people
> > > and the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any
> > > problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly.  The only hitch I
> > > remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to
> > > do
> > with
> > the DS office.
> > >
> > > Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this
> > > information so long as you're just eating there.  If you were
> > > working as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just
> > > going to get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing
> > > other people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see
> > > how this
> > would be a true health concern.
> > > To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense.
> > >
> > > On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Hi Minh,
> > >>
> > >> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus
> > >> all four years.  I never had to provide disability services with
> > >> any information.  I was in the dining hall and other food service
> > >> areas frequently, and no one ever had a problem.  If you were to
> > >> work in one of these places, perhaps there would be reason for
> > >> these questions, but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry.
> > >>
> > >> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any
> > >> information on my dog.  So you can certainly tell this person that
> > >> not "all" universities require this information.  This isn't even a
> > >> reason for the information anyway.  You should also point out that
> > >> under the ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you.
> > >>
> > >> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many
> > >> universities about the questions they can ask of students with
> > >> service dogs.  Perhaps this is a result of that.
> > >>
> > >> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the
> > >>> university with my guide  dog. I however didn't live on campus, so
> > >>> I don't know what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I
> > >>> took her into the student union  to get meals though.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hello all,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just
> > >>>> moved into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide
> > >>>> dog. I have a question regarding disability services and the
> > >>>> questions they can ask about a service animal. I received a
> > >>>> message from my DS office today inquiring whether my guide is all
> > >>>> up to dates on her vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back
> > >>>> asking about the relevancy of this question because under the
> > >>>> ADA, the only two questions public places are allowed to ask are
> > >>>> "is the animal a service animal" and "what services do they
> > >>>> perfor." The dean replied that every university requires this
> > >>>> information of their students with service animals in case dining
> > >>>> services need this
> > information.
> > >>>>  From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out
> > >>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I
> > >>>> do understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel
> > >>>> as though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is
> > >>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the
> > > requirements are different.
> > >>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>> Minh
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
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> > >> --
> > >> Julie McG
> > >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National
> > >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
> > >> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes
> > >> for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he
> > >> gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not
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