[nabs-l] problem with college cafe

Thu Sep 19 18:40:27 UTC 2013

The only thing you have control of iis you; it's going to be hard for
security to have the other students push the chairs in.  

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt Manwaring
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:36 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe

Nathan,
  In my honest opinion, you aren't really educating the public about the
capabilities of independent blind folks if you have to bring something as
trivial as this to campus security.  Yes, I understand your frustration, I
deal with the same problem on a daily basis...but no intervention by
security (and how would such an intervention make people view you as more
independent?) will solve this situation in the myriad other places you are
bound to encounter it.  I think Justin's suggestion is an excellent one,
which I often use to deal with this problem so I can have a free hand in
which to use my cane and, contrary to Carley's earlier assertion, not trip
over the chair carelessly left in my path.  I guarantee you will be faced
with this situation over and over again for the rest of your life so, and I
mean this with the utmost possible respect...deal with it.
  Best,
Kirt

On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Ashley,
> I don't want the college to enforce it but just remind students to do 
> it. I bring my lunch to school with me so carrying a tray is not an 
> issue for me. Thanks for your thoughts.
> Sincerely,
> Nathan Clark
>
> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Carin,
>> What makes me so mad about the situation is that I can't believe that 
>> people are just so lazy that they can't take 2 seconds out of their 
>> day and push their chairs in. It doesn't take much energy last time I 
>> checked to use your arm and push the chair in.
>> Sincerely,
>> Nathan
>>
>> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Dear Tyler,
>>> As blind people don't we want to educate others around us about what 
>>> we need and makes us the most successful and independent? I don't 
>>> want to rely on a sighted person who walks with me and pushes chairs 
>>> for me for obvious reasons that we all know about. I understand 
>>> where you are coming from and I respect your opinion.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Nathan Clark
>>>
>>> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Dear Tyler,
>>>> My school's café is not exactly layid out in a way where you can 
>>>> travel around the outside by the walls and find the opening to the 
>>>> door. Our café has tables that are both pushed up against the wall 
>>>> and in the middle of the café so it isn't exactly a easy navigation 
>>>> like you thought it was.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Nathan
>>>>
>>>> On 9/19/13, Littlefield, Tyler <tyler at tysdomain.com> wrote:
>>>>> first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to do 
>>>>> with security.
>>>>> Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to deal with.
>>>>> You could get some person that has to push in chairs after 
>>>>> everyone so you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear paths 
>>>>> through any cafe regardless where the chairs are. My suggestion is 
>>>>> to use your cane, find each individual chair and push it toward 
>>>>> the table with your foot. I just balance my tray on one arm and 
>>>>> use my cane with the other hand and it works out pretty well.
>>>>> You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe 
>>>>> (depending on the layout) to get to the room you want to go to.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Nabs,
>>>>>> My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on 
>>>>>> this list but I have a situation that I have at my community 
>>>>>> college where I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that 
>>>>>> almost every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking 
>>>>>> ot where people had been sitting in and forgot to push their 
>>>>>> chairs in. My school had a room off the café where students can 
>>>>>> eat their lunch in a more quieter environment which is where I 
>>>>>> usually eat my lunch and that is where I wanted to eat today. 
>>>>>> However, after struggling with navigating through the chairs that 
>>>>>> were not pushed in I just gave up and sat a different bale and 
>>>>>> had my lunch. After eating, I went to my school's Secutrity 
>>>>>> department and expressed my concerns with them.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security 
>>>>>> guard but the secretary for the department. She knows me very 
>>>>>> well and she knows from previous semesters that I have 
>>>>>> encountered this problem before with the café. She helped me 
>>>>>> schedule an appointment with the Assistant Chieef of Security on
Tuesday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or 
>>>>>> just dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I 
>>>>>> could bring up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for 
>>>>>> Tuesday? If you were wondering I forgot to say that I talked to 
>>>>>> my DSS office and they said that they would work with the 
>>>>>> Secutiry department to solve this problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if 
>>>>>> this has happened to other people on the list?
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Nathan Clark
>>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Take care,
>>>>> Ty
>>>>> http://tds-solutions.net
>>>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a 
>>>>> fool; he that dares not reason is a slave.
>>>>>
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