[nabs-l] problem with college cafe

Fri Sep 20 12:34:53 UTC 2013

Good morning, Nathan,

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for today, CarAt 11:39 PM 9/19/2013, Kaiti Shelton wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I don't know your entire situation, but here are a few suggestions.
>I agree with the views expressed by Kirt, Arielle, Justin, and others.
>  I also like the idea of making the cafeteria more accessible to all,
>but realistically if the school has too many tables in a room that is
>really not big enough for them and extra space, it might not be
>possible.
>Getting your food in a bag or to-go box does wonders.  I do this all
>the time and it makes everything a lot easier for me.  Or, since you
>bring your lunch to school, you can skip the cafe if you really don't
>like dealing with it that day.  If you usually get a drink from the
>cafe before sitting down to eat, try bringing something from home
>along with your food.  Or, there is nothing wrong with eating outside
>in a courtyard or at a table in an academic building; other students
>do it all the time.
>If you really want to eat in the cafe though, I would suggest a few
>things if you have not done so already.  Check that you're confident
>in using your cane skills, as that can be a huge factor in this.  If
>you can find an aisle that is more open than others to get from point
>A to point B, figure out a route that works for you.  This might
>require practice on your own time, but can be worth it.  I would also
>try asking cafe staff if they could recommend a way for you to go that
>might get you through the cafeteria a little more efficiently than the
>way you're using now.  .
>As was said, I don't think that this is going to change.  I don't
>really see what security can do, and also think that web accessibility
>and other matters that can't easily be remedied by individual students
>are of more importance to faculty.  Yes, left out chairs is a hassle
>and it is a tripping hazard, but it is that way for all students, not
>just those who are blind.  They have to push in the chairs to clear a
>path too, so the best thing you can do is figure out a way to work
>through it to show that you are just as capable a navigator as a
>sighted student.
>
>On 9/19/13, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Nathan and all,
> >
> > I think there's something to say for only getting your disability
> > office involved in matters that are serious and those that directly
> > involve blindness. We all agree that chairs being left out are a
> > nuisance, and they make orientation a little tougher, but they don't
> > pose a safety hazard to blind folks who are using canes or dogs. I
> > don't think the problem is serious enough to involve campus security.
> > Jamie's redesign idea does sound nice for people with all kinds of
> > disabilities, but I don't think the issue is as important as those
> > involving campus website accessibility, for example.
> > Nathan, I think you are a cane user, but if you're not I would
> > encourage you to use a cane at least while you are in the café. It
> > might help to get a little orientation through the café and, in
> > particular, pay attention to sound cues that will help you find your
> > way to the room you're trying to find even if the messy chairs cause
> > you to lose your bearings.
> >
> > Best,
> > Arielle
> >
> > On 9/19/13, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Nathan,
> >>
> >> There's a big difference between educating the sighted public about
> >> what we need as blind individuals and changing bad habits. Yes, you
> >> can talk to your DS office and security and have them post reminders,
> >> but I would be willing to bet that the issue of chairs sticking out in
> >> your way is not going to be resolved any time soon. I have a guide dog
> >> now so she just takes me around the chairs or stop so I can nudge the
> >> chair out of our path, but when I was using a cane, all I had to do
> >> was nudge the chair in a little bit and I would have room to go on my
> >> merry way. You could try this simple solution to see if it fixes your
> >> problem before tackling other people's lack of courtesy. I also want
> >> to remind you that you're not going to have a DS office or a chief of
> >> security that you could run to in the real world when people don't
> >> have chairs pushed in.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Minh
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Dear Tyler,
> >>> As blind people don't we want to educate others around us about what
> >>> we need and makes us the most successful and independent? I don't want
> >>> to rely on a sighted person who walks with me and pushes chairs for me
> >>> for obvious reasons that we all know about. I understand where you are
> >>> coming from and I respect your opinion.
> >>> Sincerely,
> >>> Nathan Clark
> >>>
> >>> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Dear Tyler,
> >>>> My school's café is not exactly layid out in a way where you can
> >>>> travel around the outside by the walls and find the opening to the
> >>>> door. Our café has tables that are both pushed up against the wall and
> >>>> in the middle of the café so it isn't exactly a easy navigation like
> >>>> you thought it was.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sincerely,
> >>>> Nathan
> >>>>
> >>>> On 9/19/13, Littlefield, Tyler <tyler at tysdomain.com> wrote:
> >>>>> first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to do with
> >>>>> security.
> >>>>> Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to deal with.
> >>>>> You could get some person that has to push in chairs after everyone so
> >>>>> you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear paths through any cafe
> >>>>> regardless where the chairs are. My suggestion is to use your cane,
> >>>>> find
> >>>>> each individual chair and push it toward the table with your foot. I
> >>>>> just balance my tray on one arm and use my cane with the other hand
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> it works out pretty well.
> >>>>> You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe (depending
> >>>>> on
> >>>>> the layout) to get to the room you want to go to.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote:
> >>>>>> Dear Nabs,
> >>>>>> My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this
> >>>>>> list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where
> >>>>>> I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost
> >>>>>> every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where
> >>>>>> people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My
> >>>>>> school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and
> >>>>>> that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with
> >>>>>> navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up
> >>>>>> and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my
> >>>>>> school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them.
> >>>>>> The
> >>>>>> lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard
> >>>>>> but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she
> >>>>>> knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem
> >>>>>> before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the
> >>>>>> Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or
> >>>>>> just
> >>>>>> dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring
> >>>>>> up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were
> >>>>>> wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they
> >>>>>> said
> >>>>>> that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this
> >>>>>> problem.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this
> >>>>>> has
> >>>>>> happened to other people on the list?
> >>>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>> Nathan Clark
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Take care,
> >>>>> Ty
> >>>>> http://tds-solutions.net
> >>>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool;
> >>>>> he
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> dares not reason is a slave.
> >>>>>
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