[nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class

Mon Sep 23 03:53:09 UTC 2013

You could probably circle your answers on a printout and then come up
and give your printout to the professor before she discusses the
answers with the class. Would that work?
Arielle

On 9/22/13, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu> wrote:
> We use turning point. I have the clicker set to the channel at the start of
> class and it is the only class I use a clicker for.
>
> For some reason when I answer the question (which is multiple choice) there
> have been several time it end up on the change channel screen.
>
> I may ask for print outs and ask if I can just circle my answer. I don't
> know if she will think I will cheat since after every one enters their
> answer she tells the correct one.
>
> I don't use readers or note-takers. I only use a lab aid in biology
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Anna Givens <annajee82 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Suzanne,
>> What school do you go to and what clicker do you use?
>>
>> For one thing, there are accessible clickers.  I don't know much about
>> it,
>> as I have never used one.  And if this is the only class you're taking
>> with
>> clicker questions, you may not care to look into using one.  But for
>> future
>> reference if you want, look into it.  There is iClicker, and there is
>> TurningPoint or Turning Technology.
>>
>> As for now, I would highly recommend talking to your professor about the
>> questions you have missed. This happened to me.  I kept missing them
>> because there was so little time and I wasn't prepared to deal with that.
>>  So to get credit for the ones I missed, I just talked to him and
>> explained
>> the situation.  I suggested a way to make up for the missed points, to
>> ask
>> me questions, either during their office time or just before or after
>> lecture that were similar to the clicker questions, and then if I get it
>> right, just add those points to grade somewhere or go back and change the
>> points for missed clicker questions.  Or I could do some sort of extra
>> credit.  That's what happened and it worked out fine.
>> I hope you are in close contact with your professor.  And I hope you are
>> communicating all these accessibility situations to him/her.  Often the
>> professor will have a great alternative.  As for the rest of the clicker
>> questions throughout the rest of your current class, I would have someone
>> help you with entering the responses on the clicker, as it is not fair to
>> not be able to make sure your response is accurate and has been sent
>> successfully.  You should be able to enter the channel before class ever
>> starts.  I would enter the channel when I got to class that way it
>> already
>> knows what channel I was on and didn't ask me when I was trying to enter
>> information.   There may be a way to lock in the channel so you don't
>> have
>> to enter it, as someone suggested, u might want to look into that. That
>> would certainly be the easiest thing, if that is the only class you are
>> using it for.  But if you are using it for more than one class, enter the
>> channel before class starts and it should
>>   not be an issue when you are doing the question.  Then like I said, for
>> the question, have a TA or a reader from DSS or your own reader help you
>> with seeing the screen.  Of course if you are just doing multiple choice
>> answers, it may not be a big deal, but if you are entering numeric
>> information, I think it's good to be able to double check the screen, and
>> depending on which clicker your school uses, you will need help with
>> entering the numeric info.  I would suggest not using a student next to
>> you
>> to help you with it though, as these questions typically only give a very
>> short time period to answer, and each student needs that limited time to
>> figure out the answer and enter it for themselves.
>>
>> As far as getting access to the actual question, you could have your
>> professor print out the question and give it to you in large font every
>> day
>> when he puts it up on the board.  Sit in front so if they forget, you can
>> raise your hand or whatever to remind them to give it to you.  If they
>> forget to print it out for you, they either will just use the questions
>> as
>> review and not give anyone points for that day or they will do something
>> to
>> let u get those missed points as they will be aware that it is not your
>> fault that you missed it.   I used to email my professors the day or
>> morning before each class politely reminding them, towards the beginning
>> of
>> the semester.  I think that might be a good option for you.  Or you could
>> possibly have them email it to you before class or something.  Or you
>> could
>> use a reader for the question as well.
>> One way to get around this is to have the clicker questions on an
>> accessible website, which some schools do.  I don't know how complicated
>> of
>> a process it is to set that up but if nothing else, you could suggest it
>> to
>> your professor for future reference.
>>
>> As for your lab.  I think there have been some very good suggestions.
>> One
>> thing that always comes to mind is - Get a reader.  Pay someone to
>> describe
>> something for you, you might be able to get someone from DSS to do this.
>> The option that I personally would take however, is what Arielle said -
>> do
>> something that does not require sight. If my understanding of your
>> assignment is correct, I don't know why you need to involve vision in it
>> at
>> all, unless you just want to.
>> Working with another student is also something you could ask your teacher
>> about I suppose.  Good luck.  And let us know what you decide.
>>
>> Anna E Givens
>>
>> On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I wonder if there is a way to lock the channel on the clicker so you
>> > can't accidentally get kicked out of the channel you need to be in?
>> > Arielle
>> >
>> > On 9/22/13, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu> wrote:
>> >> Our clicker questions are every lecture and count toward our grade.
>> >> She
>> has
>> >> read the questions out loud but quickly and they are biology genetics
>> stuff
>> >> so I usually need to reread and make sure I have all the data right
>> before
>> >> doing my punnet squares or come up with the answer.
>> >>
>> >> Most of the time the questions were not super long so I had time to
>> reread
>> >> and calculate.
>> >>
>> >> There have been several times I enter my answer and my screen says
>> change
>> >> channel? I need to get out magnifier which takes a few seconds to turn
>> on
>> >> then go through the menu on the clicker o make sure the channel is
>> >> still
>> >> right, get back to the place ot answer then answer. The channel is
>> >> often
>> >> wrong because it took my answer entry as my input for new channel.
>> >>
>> >> I have 2 days with no answers registered when got all four each day
>> >> correct.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke
>> >> <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hello Suzanne,
>> >>>
>> >>> I am not sure if each college or university uses the clicker
>> >>> questions
>> in
>> >>> the same manner, but I can describe how I have been able to use them
>> >>> while
>> >>> attending a community college.
>> >>>
>> >>> The professor who uses the clicker questions only uses them for
>> >>> review
>> >>> questions and poll questions. Therefore, if a student is not able to
>> >>> participate, or does not wish to participate, it does not effect
>> >>> their
>> >>> grade.
>> >>>
>> >>> In the past, the professor handed out the clickers during class. They
>> >>> were
>> >>> not all that complicated as they had a layout similar to a telephone
>> >>> keypad. However, this semester students can use either a cell phone
>> >>> to
>> >>> text
>> >>> the answer, or log into the survey website with their laptop
>> >>> computers.
>> >>>
>> >>> In either case, the professor reads both the question and the answers
>> >>> aloud so I can follow along with what the rest of the class is doing.
>> >>> When
>> >>> the professor used the clickers, all I had to do was press the button
>> >>> that
>> >>> corresponded with the answer while pointing it in the direction of my
>> >>> professor.
>> >>>
>> >>> I do not know if every school uses the clickers in this same manner,
>> but
>> >>> this is how I was able to deal with the situation. Alternative
>> >>> methods
>> >>> may
>> >>> be to ask a student sitting next to you to read the question and the
>> >>> answers, or perhaps a reader from the disabilities office if they
>> provide
>> >>> such a service.
>> >>>
>> >>> Even though I have had usable vision for most of my life, I have
>> >>> found
>> >>> non-visual techniques to be the most effective and efficient for me.
>> >>> Perhaps you may wish to give some of them a try.
>> >>>
>> >>> Warm regards,
>> >>> Elizabeth
>> >>>
>> >>> ------------------------------**--------------------
>> >>> From: "Suzanne Germano" <sgermano at asu.edu>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:03 PM
>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class
>> >>>
>> >>> I am taking general biology as a lab science requirement. We have to
>> >>>> observe an animal then design and experiment and then perform the
>> >>>> experiment. An example that one person is doing is what percentage
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> time
>> >>>> do duck go in the water based on temperature. We cannot do pets.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I don't have people sitting around doing nothing waiting drive me
>> >>>> somewhere
>> >>>> and to be my eyes and observe and animal several times.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Have any of you had to do something like this? What did you find the
>> >>>> best
>> >>>> solution to be?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Also clicker questions. How do you deal with them? I use a cctv to
>> >>>> see
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> board and even with that I can't read long questions fast enough.
>> >>>> And
>> >>>> there
>> >>>> have been several times my clicker goes into change channel mode
>> >>>> when
>> I
>> >>>> select an answer. I can't read the clicker display or the buttons. I
>> >>>> have
>> >>>> to get out my hand held cctv to read the screen and get it out of
>> change
>> >>>> channel mode by the time I fix it time is up.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Suzanne
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