[nabs-l] Training centers

Sat Aug 9 15:03:32 UTC 2014

Exactly, I need a place that focuses on independent living skills and mobility, not social skills.

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> On Aug 9, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear RJ,
> 
> I of course agree with you that what matters is not whether you attended a training center or not but whether you can do the job you're being hired to do, or more generally function in life.  I haven't attended a training center, so I can't speak to what they do or do not do.  I would like to point out, however, that it is not really their job nor is it feasible to teach "proper social skills" in four months while also teaching independent living skills, orientation and mobility, etc.  I'm sure you have talked to people who went to one or another training center and have poor social skills, but blind people in general often have poor social skills (because of the way blind people tend to be educated and treated differently from the time they are born among other things).  Did you talk to these center graduates both before and after they attended the centers?  That sort of comparison would be necessary to know whether attending the centers improved their social skills at all.  Even if these people you speak of were as socially inept when they started attending the centers as they were when they graduated, you still can't make the leap to the claim that "you can attend a training center, and still be as uneducated in blindness skills as before you attended" unless they also didn't improve their mobility skills, daily living skills, etc.
> 
> Best,
> Karl
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: RJ Sandefur via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "Beth Taurasi" <bethslists at gmail.com>,"National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 10:39:19 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers
> 
> My belief is that you can attend a training center, and still be as
> uneducated in blindness skills as before you attended. If I'm an employer, I
> am not going to give a rats behind if you went to lcb or not, because I
> would want to see if you could do the job without having someone hold your
> hand. The NFB training centers do not in my opinion teach proper social
> skills training. I've spoke to some of these center graduates via skype, and
> their social skills in my opinion were poor. Speaking of skype, My computer
> broke down, so I'm using a back up computer which does not have the ability
> for skype. I will be getting a windows 8 computer in a few weeks God
> willing. RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Beth Taurasi via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "Miso Kwak" <kwakmiso at aol.com>; "National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 6:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers
> 
> 
> There's a problem with guiide dogs and training.  There's the possibility
> of separation anxiety for the dog, which one of my FB friends wrote in a
> heartrending manner.  She's not getting her dog back due to traiing.
> Beth
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 00:34:40 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers
> 
> Hello,
> I am sure some people on this list have experience of attending an NFB
> center with a guide dog.
> I know that Pam Allen who is the director of Louisiana Center for the
> Blind did her training when she had a guide dog. I was in contact with
> her regarding related issues and she told me this. You may want to
> contact her.
> Miso Kwak
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Matthew Dierckens <matt.dierckens at me.com
> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 6:58 pm
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers
> 
> That unfortunately doesn't sound like enough to maintain a working
> relationship with a dog.
> 
> Are there centers not affiliated with NFB?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 8, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Matthew Dierckens <matt.dierckens at me.com
> wrote:
> 
> You use an NFB straight cane from 8:00 AM to 4:30 PM.
> You're free to use your dog to go to and from the apartments, and
> obviously to relieve the dog.
> 
> Matthew Dierckens
> Macintosh Trainer
> Blind Access Training
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> 
> On Aug 8, 2014, at 13:55, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I also have a question about the training center: I really want to go
> to one some time soon because it would help me address areas that I
> need work in like navigating unfamiliar places and improving
> independent living skills. However, I've heard that the centers don't
> let us work with guide dogs -- we can only do that in our free time.
> I've felt a lot safer and more independent with my dog, and I can't
> just stop working with her for 9 months, which keeps me from
> considering a center even though it would really help me. Does anyone
> have any input or does anyone know someone who has gone with a guide
> dog?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Sofia
> 
> On 8/8/14, Candice Chapman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Roanna,
> 
> You're right. Talking with family and your rehab counselor is
> important, but
> another important place to start is the NFB center you want to
> attend. The
> center can be helpful in assisting with issues you may have with
> rehab.
> 
> Best if luck with your research.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Candice Chapman
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Aug 7, 2014, at 8:43 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> wrote:
> 
> Dear Nabs Members,
> 
> I have a question for all of you.  How would you prepare to attend
> one of
> the Nfb training centers? I know that you have to discuss
> attending one of
> these facilities with your vocational rehab counselor since they
> are out
> of state.  I'm assuming that each of you spoke to your families
> before
> planning to attend one of these centers.  I'd like to hear your
> stories
> about preparing to attend an Nfb training center.
> 
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