[nabs-l] Training centers
Karl Martin Adam
kmaent1 at gmail.com
Thu Aug 14 17:12:48 UTC 2014
Alright Antonio, I'll bight. Why do you think that blind
mobility instructors aren't capable of training people with dog
guides? There don't seem to be any real reasons for this apart
from the same prejudices that have prevented blind people from
teaching mobility at all for decades. If a blind person is
competent enough to keep their student safe and help them employ
structured discovery, then why aren't they competent enough to do
this if the student happens to use a dog?
Karl
----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio Guimaraes via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Sofia Gallo <sofiagallo13 at gmail.com>,National Association of
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 12:32:38 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers
The training at the NFB centers does not include guide dog
mobility training. the nobel is based on cane skills, so it would
follow that you’d not use your dog while learning to use a cane.
I guess the centers like you to practice your cane skills during
business hours. I agree that this is a bit slanted towards cane
use.
I believe the Colorado Center may be more compatible with keeping
your dog bond ad training up best for a couple of reasons.
The Denver metropolitan area offers you more choices ad
opportunities to work your dog on off hours.
I don’t know how much one can do out in a place like Roustin. I
have a perception that the Louisiana Center is way in the middle
of nowhere, so if I had a dog, or wanted to learn city living
mobility skills, I’d avoid it.
I wish I knew more about other centers to tell you, Sofia, but no
matter what I say, there will be a push to say the center i
brought up is custodial, or substandard, which may or may not be
true.
You are the one ultimately responsible for making your choice,
and it seems you are doing a great job at asking for information
and researching.
You might eat to talk to staff, and students at each potential
training center, and do your best to get past the hype. Any
center r director you talk to wants to recruit you as a student.
I can’t blame them. They work for and run the best center around,
no matter what that center is.
You might be willing to leave your dog with an instructor, under
their desk from 8:30 to 4:00, and work your dog in the community
after hours. That might work well if you work at it, even though
I agree you’re giving up some bonding and hard training from the
schools and your time with the animal.
The truth of the matter is the NFB centers do not have dog
trainers on hand, they employ mobility instructors. Mobility
instructors in my opinion should be well versed in training blind
people to navigate with a dog, cane, and a hybrid approach.
I also don’t think a blind mobility instructor can adequately
observe the intricacies of a blind person and dog guide team to
provide adequate services and training.
Others certainly feel otherwise, which is an interesting debate
for a noter time.
NFB centers work with blind instructors, and blind mobility
trainers are able to train blind students in the use of the cane.
I for one wonder what guide dog training schools would think,
say, or do if NFB centers started training blind people to
navigate with their dogs.
It would be interesting to partner with dog guide schools to
offer services to dog users at an NFB center, even if at a very
limited basis, but that is too far outside the NFB box to ever
happen.
All that said, Sofia, you could get a lot out of training at an
NFB center. It may be the best option available to you.
I wish you luck, and hope you find the center tat best suits you.
Best,
Antonio
On Aug 9, 2014, at 7:29 AM, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
Yea, I'd be interested to know how people handled it since it
doesn't sound like I can work with my dog a lot.
Beth, that's scary! I wouldn't want to risk that.
I'll definitely contact the directors.
Sofia
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 9, 2014, at 6:32 AM, Beth Taurasi via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
There's a problem with guiide dogs and training. There's the
possibility of separation anxiety for the dog, which one of my FB
friends wrote in a heartrending manner. She's not getting her
dog back due to traiing.
Beth
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From: Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 00:34:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers
Hello,
I am sure some people on this list have experience of attending
an NFB
center with a guide dog.
I know that Pam Allen who is the director of Louisiana Center
for the
Blind did her training when she had a guide dog. I was in
contact with
her regarding related issues and she told me this. You may want
to
contact her.
Miso Kwak
-----Original Message-----
From: Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Matthew Dierckens <matt.dierckens at me.com
Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 6:58 pm
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers
That unfortunately doesn't sound like enough to maintain a
working
relationship with a dog.
Are there centers not affiliated with NFB?
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 8, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Matthew Dierckens
<matt.dierckens at me.com
wrote:
You use an NFB straight cane from 8:00 AM to 4:30 PM.
You're free to use your dog to go to and from the apartments,
and
obviously to relieve the dog.
Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 3
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
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On Aug 8, 2014, at 13:55, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
wrote:
Hi
I also have a question about the training center: I really want
to go
to one some time soon because it would help me address areas
that I
need work in like navigating unfamiliar places and improving
independent living skills. However, I've heard that the centers
don't
let us work with guide dogs -- we can only do that in our free
time.
I've felt a lot safer and more independent with my dog, and I
can't
just stop working with her for 9 months, which keeps me from
considering a center even though it would really help me. Does
anyone
have any input or does anyone know someone who has gone with a
guide
dog?
Thanks!
Sofia
On 8/8/14, Candice Chapman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
Hi Roanna,
You're right. Talking with family and your rehab counselor is
important, but
another important place to start is the NFB center you want to
attend. The
center can be helpful in assisting with issues you may have with
rehab.
Best if luck with your research.
Best,
Candice Chapman
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 7, 2014, at 8:43 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
wrote:
Dear Nabs Members,
I have a question for all of you. How would you prepare to
attend
one of
the Nfb training centers? I know that you have to discuss
attending one of
these facilities with your vocational rehab counselor since they
are out
of state. I'm assuming that each of you spoke to your families
before
planning to attend one of these centers. I'd like to hear your
stories
about preparing to attend an Nfb training center.
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