[nabs-l] MusicforBandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear)

Mon Jan 6 04:30:30 UTC 2014

Is it possable to request online?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 23:25:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 
MusicforBandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear)

Hi Marissa,

The apex would not be able to convert print music to braille 
music.
It does not work the same as print since music is not text.  You 
need
to have a transcriber edit the print file.

Have you been shown what print music symbols look like?  If not, 
that
might be something to look into as well.  There is a book of 
raised
tactile music symbols available from NLS.  The number for the 
music
section, which you could call yourself (I have called throughout 
high
school with no problems) is (202)707-500.  They should be pretty
helpful.

On 1/5/14, marissa <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:
 The Apex converts it.

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 18:38:49 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music
 forBandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear)

 Hi Marissa,

 Which files are you trying to convert to brf?  Music is not like
 other
 print stuff that can just be scanned and converted to a 
different
 format.  Music in print, as well as music in braille, are
 different
 codes and follow different rules, and you need different 
software
 than
 Duxberry or Openbook to edit and make the conversions.  If you
 need a
 brf file you will have to get a transcriber to edit the music 
and
 email it to you.

 On 1/5/14, marissa <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:

  Lucky you.
  I only have the Apex.

   ----- Original Message -----
  From: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com
  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 10:27:10 -0500
  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for
  BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear)

  In New Jersey, we have the Comission for the Blind, and they 
get
  me all of my equiptment.  Plus, my TVI works for them.

  Sent from my iPad

  On Jan 5, 2014, at 6:20 AM, marissa 
<pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com
  wrote:

   If I had a display that worked, I know how to convert files to
  brf on the Apex.  We do not have an embosser, no, but I'm 
trying
  to get them to get me the small desktop one from Humanware.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
   To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
   Date sent: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 02:21:00 -0500
   Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for
  BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year)

   Marissa,

   I know how you feel, but it is the law that all teachers, even
  band
   directors, have to provide an equal education to ALL students.
  I know
   that blind students are not common in most band programs, and
  most of
   us who do join band are the first blind students our directors
  have
   met, but I know I was the first blind student for a majority 
of
  my
   teachers in other subjects and they had to follow the rules.
  The
   problem is that school districts and band directors do not
 think
  these
   standards apply to the music classes, and the result is that
  students
   with needs that are out of the norm fall through the cracks.

   If you're going to use a braille display to read music you 
will
  still
   need a transcriber to edit the print music file and turn it
 into
  a brf
   or gf format.  What is really helpful if you don't have a
  display but
   have an embosser at school is to get the transcriber to email
  you the
   completed brf or gf file and emboss them using Duxberry or a
  similar
   software.

   I couldn't find that list for some reason when I looked
 earlier,
  but
   I'll keep looking for it.  :)

   On 1/4/14, marissa <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:

   If I send it in, I won't be able to do much because the only
   thing I have is the Braille Writer, I can't use that in some
   classes because I do not have a braille writer in them.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
   To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
   <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
   Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 21:44:37 -0500
   Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band
   wasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year)

   Marisa,
   have the apex fixed; humanware can fix the braille display;
 that
   must suck
   to have
   trouble with the display because that is a major benefit of 
the
   apex.

   If I were you, I'd press to have it fixed.  Since the display
   isn't an
   option, just emboss the braille music.  Your TVI or aid should
  be
   able to
   emboss it for you.

   -----Original Message-----
   From: marissa
   Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:34 PM
   To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
   Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was
   RE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year)

   No, All I have is the Apex, and it is getting on my last nerve
   anyway.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com
   To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
   <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
   Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:03:47 -0500
   Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE:
   adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year)

   Hmmm! Do you have an I'phone or I'pad with a braille display?

   Sent from my iPad

   On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:59 PM, marissa
 <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com
   wrote:

   I am Mr Sanders' first blind student.  I feel bad for him
   sometimes, because he is so new to this.  The
   really cool thing is this: he never smiles (according to
   friends), never laughs or anything, just has a straight face
 all
   the time.  Whenever I give him something, (like a braille
   picture), or tell him something, he'll laugh or smile.  My
   friends think it's a miracle and I can't help, but laugh too.

   We are having a new thing at our school, starting Monday, 
bring
   your own device.  I have my braille note Apex, which would be
   able to read the music, if only the display worked.  The thing
   is, if Sanders sent it to me, which I'm sure he wouldn't mind
 if
   I explained the machine to him, I would be able to read it off
  of
   the display, just like everyone else reading their phones,
   tablets, etc.  But because of the display, this does not seem
   very effective.
   I have tried recording the band to see if I can learn by ear,
   didn't help, although I did get some sweet recordings.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
   To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
   <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
   Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 20:24:31 -0500
   Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE:
   adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[] new year)

   Hi Marissa,

   Here is a suggestion I have posted to a couple of other lists
 on
   this
   topic.  I had similar issues in high school; my band was 
really
   large
   like your's, and the director chose to not devote the time to
   providing me an equal music education to my sighted peers.
 This
   is
   exactly what your director is doing, and if it did not work in
   the IEP
   meeting the best thing you can do is take him as far out of 
the
   braille music situation as possible.  This means that you will
   simply
   ask him to give you the print copies of your music as far in
   advance
   as possible and then send them to a transcriber from NLS
   yourself.
   Giving you the music is all he will have to do, he won't have
 to
   edit
   things, work with Goodfeel, or do anything beyond have an open
   line of
   communication with you and have an idea of which pieces the
 band
   will
   be playing for their next concert.

   It is sad that this seems like the solution to your problem,
 and
   what
   your director is doing really isn't fair, but sometimes when 
we
   can't
   get our instructors to do their part we need to take matters
   into our
   own hands.

   The NLS site has a list online which shows all their certified
   braille
   music transcribers along with email addresses for each person.
   You
   can email one in your state about getting your band music
   brailled.  I
   would have never gotten a single piece of braille music in 
high
   school
   had I waited for my band director to tow the line.

   I will find the link to the list of transcribers and post it 
to
   this
   thread.  I hope it will be of help.  Also, I have talked to
   other
   student's instructors about accomodations in music before, so
 if
   you
   would like someone who has gone through high school music
   classes and
   is now majoring in music in college to speak to someone I 
would
   be
   glad to.  I have found that most often when a director says, 
"I
   don't
   have time," they know that isn't an acceptable excuse, but
   they're
   scared of the commitment that they think will be required of
   them to
   produce braille music.  Really, it isn't that big of a
   commitment at
   all, especially if you out source the transcription.

   On 1/4/14, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:
   Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or
   contact
   details?
   Right back soon,
   Koby.

   -----Original Message-----
   From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
   Mikayla
   Gephart
   Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM
   To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
   Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto
   highschool(was:Re:[] new year)

   Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts.

   Sent from my iPad

   On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> 
wrote:

   That's cool.  I see that you have a iPad do you also have a
   iPhone?
   Right back soon,
   Koby.

   -----Original Message-----
   From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
   Mikayla
   Gephart
   Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM
   To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
   Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto
   highschool(was:Re:[] new year)

   some vision, but not enough to rely on large print.

   Sent from my iPad

   On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> 
wrote:

   Are you totally blind or do you have some vision?
   Right back soon,
   Koby.

   -----Original Message-----
   From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
   Mikayla
   Gephart
   Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM
   To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
   Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto
   highschool(was:Re:[] new year)

   No, I am in Choir and Student Council.  My favorite hobby is
   swimming.

   Sent from my iPad

   On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> 
wrote:

   Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun?
   Right back soon,
   Koby
   Sent from my iPhone

   On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart
   <mikgephart at icloud.com
   wrote:

   Thirteen.  Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was
   typing
   a
   little to fast.

   Sent from my iPad

   On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> 
wrote:

   How old are you?
   Right back soon,
   Koby
   Sent from my iPhone

   On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart
   <mikgephart at icloud.com
   wrote:

   Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart,
 and
   figured it out.

   Sent from my iPad

   On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa
   <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com
   wrote:

   Does she know braille music?
   If so, you are very lucky.  As I said before, no one knows it
   it,
   which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing,
 but
   listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't
   there.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com
   To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
   <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
   Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500
   Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto
   highschool(was:Re:[] new year)

   My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she 
wanted
   me
   to learn it.

   Sent from my iPad

   On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett
   <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:

   Hi Marissa,
   All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your
   state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or
   whomever
   needs to call.
   Some libraries have an email address to send your request to.
 I
   think that question is best answered by a librarian in your
   cooperating
   library.
   We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of
   the
   library branch system of the county; they are county 
employees.
   They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind
   people.
   I was able to order my own books as a high school student.  
But
   perhaps your area is different.

   I would also recommend trying the distance education program,
   hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music.

   I've heard braille music is quite different than regular
   braille;
   I never learned it, but was not in band.  I did do choir a few
   years.
   but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by 
listening.
   in
   fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply
   went to
   class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the
   lyrics
   for me though.

   That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you
   braille music, if you want to learn it.  There are camps for
   blind
   musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code
   and
   meet
   other blind musicians.

   Ashley

   -----Original Message----- From: marissa
   Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM
   To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
   Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to
   highschool(was:Re:[] new year)

   You can request it online?
   How?

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Lillie Pennington <lilliepennington at fuse.net
   To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
   <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
   Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500
   Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high
   school(was:Re:[] new year)

   You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it
   online.

   Sent from my iPhone

   On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa
   <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:

   I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave
 me.
   No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself.  They
   would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music.
   I'm
   trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting 
to
   call, so that one's out.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com
   To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
   <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
   Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500
   Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high
   school (was:Re:[] new year)

   Do you know Braille Music?

   Sent from my iPad

   On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa
   <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:

   They do not know braille music.  I have asked repeatedly.  I
   brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago.  Didn't help.  I
   told
   my casecarrier about Dancing Dots  and she told me to tell Mr
   Sanders, my band director.  I emailed him, because he never 
has
   time during class for much because it is a band of 90 
students.
   Hasn't replied.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
   To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
   <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
   Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500
   Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high
   school (was: Re:[] new year)

   Marissa,

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