[nabs-l] Music forBandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear)

Mon Jan 6 04:39:36 UTC 2014

I already know about print music, having asked my friends, but I 
do not know what they look like, I think I can get the gist of it 
though.
I can't get the display fixed

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 23:37:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music 
forBandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear)

Marisa,
I think you need that display fixed.
But, if you want to read music, not the lyrics of songs, you 
cannot convert
a file to braille on the apex.
You need a transcriber.  Print music is an image.  it has a 
sympbol for treble
or base clef
Then lines called a staff are where the notes are.  A note has a 
line called
a stem with a circle, either filled in or empty.
The circles are on the staves and tell you what notes you play.  
I have
vision and tried to learn music, but its complex and reading and 
playing the
piano was frustrating.

You will not convert print music to braille without a 
transcriber.
NLS can send you the material to learn braille music.
Just tell your aunt to call.  write a note if needed to her.
Press your  school to get you this music.

Its rediculous to hear this.  Not only will they not teach you 
music reading
wich other students get, but  additionally, you are not even 
getting the
music in braille.
There is software to create braille music; I think its named Good 
feel.

There is little excuse for this BS from your school.  Meanwhile 
do the best
you can.  Listen and try and pick it up by ear.

Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: marissa
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 6:20 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for
BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear)

If I had a display that worked, I know how to convert files to
brf on the Apex.  We do not have an embosser, no, but I'm trying
to get them to get me the small desktop one from Humanware.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 02:21:00 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for
BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year)

Marissa,

I know how you feel, but it is the law that all teachers, even
band
directors, have to provide an equal education to ALL students.  I
know
that blind students are not common in most band programs, and
most of
us who do join band are the first blind students our directors
have
met, but I know I was the first blind student for a majority of
my
teachers in other subjects and they had to follow the rules.  The
problem is that school districts and band directors do not think
these
standards apply to the music classes, and the result is that
students
with needs that are out of the norm fall through the cracks.

If you're going to use a braille display to read music you will
still
need a transcriber to edit the print music file and turn it into
a brf
or gf format.  What is really helpful if you don't have a display
but
have an embosser at school is to get the transcriber to email you
the
completed brf or gf file and emboss them using Duxberry or a
similar
software.

I couldn't find that list for some reason when I looked earlier,
but
I'll keep looking for it.  :)

On 1/4/14, marissa <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:

If I send it in, I won't be able to do much because the only
thing I have is the Braille Writer, I can't use that in some
classes because I do not have a braille writer in them.

  ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 21:44:37 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band
wasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year)

Marisa,
have the apex fixed; humanware can fix the braille display; that
must suck
to have
trouble with the display because that is a major benefit of the
apex.

If I were you, I'd press to have it fixed.  Since the display
isn't an
option, just emboss the braille music.  Your TVI or aid should
be
able to
emboss it for you.

-----Original Message-----
From: marissa
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:34 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was
RE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year)

No, All I have is the Apex, and it is getting on my last nerve
anyway.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:03:47 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE:
adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year)

Hmmm! Do you have an I'phone or I'pad with a braille display?

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:59 PM, marissa <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com
wrote:

I am Mr Sanders' first blind student.  I feel bad for him
sometimes, because he is so new to this.  The
really cool thing is this: he never smiles (according to
friends), never laughs or anything, just has a straight face all
the time.  Whenever I give him something, (like a braille
picture), or tell him something, he'll laugh or smile.  My
friends think it's a miracle and I can't help, but laugh too.

We are having a new thing at our school, starting Monday, bring
your own device.  I have my braille note Apex, which would be
able to read the music, if only the display worked.  The thing
is, if Sanders sent it to me, which I'm sure he wouldn't mind if
I explained the machine to him, I would be able to read it off
of
the display, just like everyone else reading their phones,
tablets, etc.  But because of the display, this does not seem
very effective.
I have tried recording the band to see if I can learn by ear,
didn't help, although I did get some sweet recordings.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 20:24:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE:
adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[] new year)

Hi Marissa,

Here is a suggestion I have posted to a couple of other lists on
this
topic.  I had similar issues in high school; my band was really
large
like your's, and the director chose to not devote the time to
providing me an equal music education to my sighted peers.  This
is
exactly what your director is doing, and if it did not work in
the IEP
meeting the best thing you can do is take him as far out of the
braille music situation as possible.  This means that you will
simply
ask him to give you the print copies of your music as far in
advance
as possible and then send them to a transcriber from NLS
yourself.
Giving you the music is all he will have to do, he won't have to
edit
things, work with Goodfeel, or do anything beyond have an open
line of
communication with you and have an idea of which pieces the band
will
be playing for their next concert.

It is sad that this seems like the solution to your problem, and
what
your director is doing really isn't fair, but sometimes when we
can't
get our instructors to do their part we need to take matters
into our
own hands.

The NLS site has a list online which shows all their certified
braille
music transcribers along with email addresses for each person.
You
can email one in your state about getting your band music
brailled.  I
would have never gotten a single piece of braille music in high
school
had I waited for my band director to tow the line.

I will find the link to the list of transcribers and post it to
this
thread.  I hope it will be of help.  Also, I have talked to
other
student's instructors about accomodations in music before, so if
you
would like someone who has gone through high school music
classes and
is now majoring in music in college to speak to someone I would
be
glad to.  I have found that most often when a director says, "I
don't
have time," they know that isn't an acceptable excuse, but
they're
scared of the commitment that they think will be required of
them to
produce braille music.  Really, it isn't that big of a
commitment at
all, especially if you out source the transcription.

On 1/4/14, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:
Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or
contact
details?
Right back soon,
Koby.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mikayla
Gephart
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto
highschool(was:Re:[] new year)

Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:

That's cool.  I see that you have a iPad do you also have a
iPhone?
Right back soon,
Koby.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mikayla
Gephart
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto
highschool(was:Re:[] new year)

some vision, but not enough to rely on large print.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:

Are you totally blind or do you have some vision?
Right back soon,
Koby.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mikayla
Gephart
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto
highschool(was:Re:[] new year)

No, I am in Choir and Student Council.  My favorite hobby is
swimming.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:

Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun?
Right back soon,
Koby
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart
<mikgephart at icloud.com
wrote:

Thirteen.  Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was
typing
a
little to fast.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:

How old are you?
Right back soon,
Koby
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart
<mikgephart at icloud.com
wrote:

Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and
figured it out.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa
<pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com
wrote:

Does she know braille music?
If so, you are very lucky.  As I said before, no one knows it
it,
which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but
listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't
there.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto
highschool(was:Re:[] new year)

My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted
me
to learn it.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett
<bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:

Hi Marissa,
All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your
state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or
whomever
needs to call.
Some libraries have an email address to send your request to.  I
think that question is best answered by a librarian in your
cooperating
library.
We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of
the
library branch system of the county; they are county employees.
They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind
people.
I was able to order my own books as a high school student.  But
perhaps your area is different.

I would also recommend trying the distance education program,
hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music.

I've heard braille music is quite different than regular
braille;
I never learned it, but was not in band.  I did do choir a few
years.
but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening.
in
fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply
went to
class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the
lyrics
for me though.

That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you
braille music, if you want to learn it.  There are camps for
blind
musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code
and
meet
other blind musicians.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- From: marissa
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to
highschool(was:Re:[] new year)

You can request it online?
How?

----- Original Message -----
From: Lillie Pennington <lilliepennington at fuse.net
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high
school(was:Re:[] new year)

You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it
online.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa
<pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:

I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me.
No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself.  They
would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music.
I'm
trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to
call, so that one's out.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high
school (was:Re:[] new year)

Do you know Braille Music?

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa
<pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:

They do not know braille music.  I have asked repeatedly.  I
brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago.  Didn't help.  I
told
my casecarrier about Dancing Dots  and she told me to tell Mr
Sanders, my band director.  I emailed him, because he never has
time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students.
Hasn't replied.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high
school (was: Re:[] new year)

Marissa,

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