[nabs-l] Music forBandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear)

Kaiti Shelton crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
Mon Jan 6 17:58:54 UTC 2014 

Ashley, you are right on and we are thinking along the same lines.  :)

If all else fails, getting an NLS transcriber to do the transcription
is your best bet.  That way all you would need is the print music from
your teacher.  It really does debunk the excuse of "I don't have
time," because it only takes a few seconds to gather up your parts and
hand them to you.

Unfortunately as blind students, we can not always count on our
teachers to do the right thing---even if it is required by law, in an
IEP, etc.  Sometimes we need to take our education into our own hands.
 That really does sound like what needs to happen here.

You could also check if a local state agency will do the embossing for
you if you do not have an embosser.

On 1/5/14, marissa <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I already know about print music, having asked my friends, but I
> do not know what they look like, I think I can get the gist of it
> though.
> I can't get the display fixed
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 23:37:31 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music
> forBandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear)
>
> Marisa,
> I think you need that display fixed.
> But, if you want to read music, not the lyrics of songs, you
> cannot convert
> a file to braille on the apex.
> You need a transcriber.  Print music is an image.  it has a
> sympbol for treble
> or base clef
> Then lines called a staff are where the notes are.  A note has a
> line called
> a stem with a circle, either filled in or empty.
> The circles are on the staves and tell you what notes you play.
> I have
> vision and tried to learn music, but its complex and reading and
> playing the
> piano was frustrating.
>
> You will not convert print music to braille without a
> transcriber.
> NLS can send you the material to learn braille music.
> Just tell your aunt to call.  write a note if needed to her.
> Press your  school to get you this music.
>
> Its rediculous to hear this.  Not only will they not teach you
> music reading
> wich other students get, but  additionally, you are not even
> getting the
> music in braille.
> There is software to create braille music; I think its named Good
> feel.
>
> There is little excuse for this BS from your school.  Meanwhile
> do the best
> you can.  Listen and try and pick it up by ear.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marissa
> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 6:20 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for
> BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear)
>
>
> If I had a display that worked, I know how to convert files to
> brf on the Apex.  We do not have an embosser, no, but I'm trying
> to get them to get me the small desktop one from Humanware.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 02:21:00 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for
> BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year)
>
> Marissa,
>
> I know how you feel, but it is the law that all teachers, even
> band
> directors, have to provide an equal education to ALL students.  I
> know
> that blind students are not common in most band programs, and
> most of
> us who do join band are the first blind students our directors
> have
> met, but I know I was the first blind student for a majority of
> my
> teachers in other subjects and they had to follow the rules.  The
> problem is that school districts and band directors do not think
> these
> standards apply to the music classes, and the result is that
> students
> with needs that are out of the norm fall through the cracks.
>
> If you're going to use a braille display to read music you will
> still
> need a transcriber to edit the print music file and turn it into
> a brf
> or gf format.  What is really helpful if you don't have a display
> but
> have an embosser at school is to get the transcriber to email you
> the
> completed brf or gf file and emboss them using Duxberry or a
> similar
> software.
>
> I couldn't find that list for some reason when I looked earlier,
> but
> I'll keep looking for it.  :)
>
> On 1/4/14, marissa <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If I send it in, I won't be able to do much because the only
> thing I have is the Braille Writer, I can't use that in some
> classes because I do not have a braille writer in them.
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 21:44:37 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band
> wasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year)
>
> Marisa,
> have the apex fixed; humanware can fix the braille display; that
> must suck
> to have
> trouble with the display because that is a major benefit of the
> apex.
>
> If I were you, I'd press to have it fixed.  Since the display
> isn't an
> option, just emboss the braille music.  Your TVI or aid should
> be
> able to
> emboss it for you.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marissa
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:34 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was
> RE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year)
>
> No, All I have is the Apex, and it is getting on my last nerve
> anyway.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:03:47 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE:
> adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year)
>
> Hmmm! Do you have an I'phone or I'pad with a braille display?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:59 PM, marissa <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>
> I am Mr Sanders' first blind student.  I feel bad for him
> sometimes, because he is so new to this.  The
> really cool thing is this: he never smiles (according to
> friends), never laughs or anything, just has a straight face all
> the time.  Whenever I give him something, (like a braille
> picture), or tell him something, he'll laugh or smile.  My
> friends think it's a miracle and I can't help, but laugh too.
>
> We are having a new thing at our school, starting Monday, bring
> your own device.  I have my braille note Apex, which would be
> able to read the music, if only the display worked.  The thing
> is, if Sanders sent it to me, which I'm sure he wouldn't mind if
> I explained the machine to him, I would be able to read it off
> of
> the display, just like everyone else reading their phones,
> tablets, etc.  But because of the display, this does not seem
> very effective.
> I have tried recording the band to see if I can learn by ear,
> didn't help, although I did get some sweet recordings.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 20:24:31 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE:
> adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[] new year)
>
> Hi Marissa,
>
> Here is a suggestion I have posted to a couple of other lists on
> this
> topic.  I had similar issues in high school; my band was really
> large
> like your's, and the director chose to not devote the time to
> providing me an equal music education to my sighted peers.  This
> is
> exactly what your director is doing, and if it did not work in
> the IEP
> meeting the best thing you can do is take him as far out of the
> braille music situation as possible.  This means that you will
> simply
> ask him to give you the print copies of your music as far in
> advance
> as possible and then send them to a transcriber from NLS
> yourself.
> Giving you the music is all he will have to do, he won't have to
> edit
> things, work with Goodfeel, or do anything beyond have an open
> line of
> communication with you and have an idea of which pieces the band
> will
> be playing for their next concert.
>
> It is sad that this seems like the solution to your problem, and
> what
> your director is doing really isn't fair, but sometimes when we
> can't
> get our instructors to do their part we need to take matters
> into our
> own hands.
>
> The NLS site has a list online which shows all their certified
> braille
> music transcribers along with email addresses for each person.
> You
> can email one in your state about getting your band music
> brailled.  I
> would have never gotten a single piece of braille music in high
> school
> had I waited for my band director to tow the line.
>
> I will find the link to the list of transcribers and post it to
> this
> thread.  I hope it will be of help.  Also, I have talked to
> other
> student's instructors about accomodations in music before, so if
> you
> would like someone who has gone through high school music
> classes and
> is now majoring in music in college to speak to someone I would
> be
> glad to.  I have found that most often when a director says, "I
> don't
> have time," they know that isn't an acceptable excuse, but
> they're
> scared of the commitment that they think will be required of
> them to
> produce braille music.  Really, it isn't that big of a
> commitment at
> all, especially if you out source the transcription.
>
> On 1/4/14, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:
> Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or
> contact
> details?
> Right back soon,
> Koby.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mikayla
> Gephart
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto
> highschool(was:Re:[] new year)
>
> Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That's cool.  I see that you have a iPad do you also have a
> iPhone?
> Right back soon,
> Koby.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mikayla
> Gephart
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto
> highschool(was:Re:[] new year)
>
> some vision, but not enough to rely on large print.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Are you totally blind or do you have some vision?
> Right back soon,
> Koby.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mikayla
> Gephart
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto
> highschool(was:Re:[] new year)
>
> No, I am in Choir and Student Council.  My favorite hobby is
> swimming.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun?
> Right back soon,
> Koby
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart
> <mikgephart at icloud.com
> wrote:
>
> Thirteen.  Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was
> typing
> a
> little to fast.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How old are you?
> Right back soon,
> Koby
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart
> <mikgephart at icloud.com
> wrote:
>
> Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and
> figured it out.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa
> <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>
> Does she know braille music?
> If so, you are very lucky.  As I said before, no one knows it
> it,
> which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but
> listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't
> there.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto
> highschool(was:Re:[] new year)
>
> My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted
> me
> to learn it.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett
> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Marissa,
> All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your
> state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or
> whomever
> needs to call.
> Some libraries have an email address to send your request to.  I
> think that question is best answered by a librarian in your
> cooperating
> library.
> We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of
> the
> library branch system of the county; they are county employees.
> They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind
> people.
> I was able to order my own books as a high school student.  But
> perhaps your area is different.
>
> I would also recommend trying the distance education program,
> hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music.
>
> I've heard braille music is quite different than regular
> braille;
> I never learned it, but was not in band.  I did do choir a few
> years.
> but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening.
> in
> fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply
> went to
> class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the
> lyrics
> for me though.
>
> That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you
> braille music, if you want to learn it.  There are camps for
> blind
> musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code
> and
> meet
> other blind musicians.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: marissa
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to
> highschool(was:Re:[] new year)
>
>
> You can request it online?
> How?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lillie Pennington <lilliepennington at fuse.net
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high
> school(was:Re:[] new year)
>
> You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it
> online.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa
> <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me.
> No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself.  They
> would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music.
> I'm
> trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to
> call, so that one's out.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high
> school (was:Re:[] new year)
>
> Do you know Braille Music?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa
> <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> They do not know braille music.  I have asked repeatedly.  I
> brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago.  Didn't help.  I
> told
> my casecarrier about Dancing Dots  and she told me to tell Mr
> Sanders, my band director.  I emailed him, because he never has
> time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students.
> Hasn't replied.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high
> school (was: Re:[] new year)
>
> Marissa,
>
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