[nabs-l] public versus private universities

Thu Jan 16 14:03:46 UTC 2014

Sophie,
As has been said before, it honestly just depends on the school. I started my undergraduate education at Brigham Young University which is, without a doubt, one of the largest and most well-funded private universities in the country. There were many reasons why I transferred to a nearby public university instead but, I sure you, the disability services was not one of them. Now I attend the University of Utah, The flagship public university in my state, and the disability service office here, if anything, has less funding and resources than the one at the private university I transferred from… though it is more than adequate for what I need. Basically, you probably do yourself a disservice by generalizing here. Yes, probably most private universities are small and have less established disability service offices then The typical public university… but I'm sure you will find many private universities whose disability service centers are excellent, As mine was. And, while disability center effectiveness and philosophy are factors that should not even be close to your top priority, they are worth thinking about because, most likely, your relationship with your disability counselor Will have a real impact on your college experience.

y

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 16, 2014, at 5:50 AM, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the advice that's been given. It's very helpful. Disability services is not my top priority for a school, but I've heard horror stories about people having to fight for every little accomodation. I want to spend most of my time actually learning stuff, not fighting for what I need.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "melissa Green" <lissa1531 at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:23:26 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] public versus private universities
> 
> Arielle has given some very good advice.
> I have attended a private school and a public one.
> There were some things that I had to figure out my self on the private
> school's campus.
> I didn't mind it because it also prepared me for when I started at the
> public university.
> Some private schools are under the impression that they don't have to follow
> any laws or provide acomodations because they are a private school.
> That was my experience anyway.
> Good luck.
> 
> Blessings and best wishes,
> Melissa R. Green and Pj
> "We love because he first loved us."
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] public versus private universities
> 
> 
> Hi Sophie,
> 
> I would recommend judging colleges based on factors like how good the
> curriculum is and how friendly people are at the school, and to put
> disability services lower on your list of criteria for judging
> schools. Some schools will have more disability resources than others,
> but sometimes, a school with less resources may be more open-minded
> and flexible when working with you as an individual student, while
> some schools with big disability offices may be more rigid about how
> they treat blind students and less willing to work with you as an
> individual. I attended a large public university with a well-staffed
> disability office, and while this had its advantages, I also found
> that the staff at the disability office wanted to do everything a
> certain way, were somewhat custodial, and gave me little opportunity
> to negotiate with individual professors. I have talked with blind
> students who attended schools with no disability office at all or just
> a small one, and who had excellent experiences arranging their own
> accommodations, using readers and publicly available services like
> BookShare, Learning Ally etc. They felt more in control of their
> accommodations and, as a bonus, got really accustomed to advocating
> for themselves early on, which is important for employment. It's a
> little like how sometimes, the teachers who have never had a blind
> student in their class before are better to work with than the ones
> who have had someone blind in the past, because the former teachers
> will listen to how you want them to do things, while sometimes the
> latter will tend to compare you with other blind students or assume
> you have the same preferences and limitations that they had.
> So I would encourage you to pick a school that's the best fit for your
> career goals, and worry about the disability accommodation stuff
> later. No matter where you go, there are resources that you will be
> able to use to get access to your materials.
> 
> Best,
> Arielle
> 
> On 1/15/14, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sophie,
> 
> It honestly does depend on the university and the kind of resources
> they have. I go to a private Catholic college in Boston and even
> though they are not very knowledgeable about what a visually impaired
> student might need, they are extremely accommodating when I tell them
> exactly what I require in order to be successful. Visit the colleges
> you are interested in and talk to the disability services office; 9
> times out of 10, you can get a realistic feel for what they can and
> cannot offer you in terms of accommodations. Honestly, I don't think
> we as blind students should base our college decisions entirely on the
> support we might get from the university. Yes, it's a factor we need
> to consider because it can make or break our academic experience, but
> it shouldn't be the only reason that we pick the school. I know when I
> was searching for colleges, I fell in love with my college and I knew
> it was the school I would be attending way before I met with the
> disability services office. If you want to go to a school but the DSO
> is less than stellar, then it's another opportunity for you to
> advocate for yourself and your needs.
> 
> Cheers,
> Minh
> 
> On 1/15/14, Lillie Pennington <lilliepennington at fuse.net> wrote:
> Also, you may be able to general feel for the ds office when you go. That
> may determine if you think it is the right fit.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 15, 2014, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett"
> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Sophie,
> No there Is no resource to rank support services. I think you should
> visit
> schools you are interested like anyone else would. Visit the disability
> office and see what they offer. Sometimes if you voice a need, they
> might
> be able to do it, even if they have not before.
> 
> It is generally true that private schools have smaller disability
> service,
> ds, offices. They have less staff, but also they have less students to
> serve.
> They may be less aware of disabled student needs but that's where
> advocacy
> comes in.
> 
> Just go and visit the schools you want; loyola and tulane are great
> schools.
> I wouldn't prejudge  services too much. Don't be discourage what one
> professor said.
> 
> I went to  a private catholic school, btw. I transferred out of george
> mason university, GMU. GMU is public.
> I liked the private school more because of smaller classes, small
> campus,
> upholding my religious values, no not  catholic but do agree with some
> principles they have, the atmosphere, and religious activities.
> Oh, and the quality was excellent of instruction since you get
> professors,
> not grad students teaching your classes. Universities will have grad
> students teach some classes.
> 
> Good luck with your decision.
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist
> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM
> To: nabs
> Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look
> for a college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking
> about which colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned
> Loyola, which is a private Catholic university in New Orleans. My
> friend, whose mother is a professor at Tulane, another private
> New Orleans school, said that it was very difficult for blind
> people to attend private colleges because they weren't as good as
> protecting textbooks and other necessary materials. He said in
> general that private universities' disability services weren't as
> great as those of public universities. I know this is true for
> post-secondary public schools--they're more able to provide
> braille and technology than are private schools--so I was
> wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list
> that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we
> visit a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that
> those people are often trying to sell their school. So I was
> wondering if there was any concrete resource I could use for this
> information. Any info or comments would be super helpful and
> appreciated!
> 
> Yours sincerely,
> Sophie Trist
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4
> 0earthlink.net
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning
> ton%40fuse.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40
> gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> --
> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g
> mail.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40g
> mail.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade
> r%40gmail.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com