[nabs-l] marketing class

[Carly Mihalakis]

Hi, Ashley,

Okay. Can't you see this refusal to accommodate 
you is a blessing in disguise? Beyond an 
unwillingness on teach's part to actually 
accommodate, this so-called instructor just 
sounds more close-minded than a drum, and you 
might not even offer a healthy push because as 
they say, Some people you just can't reach! Take 
it with someone else, I think, then will you find 
the experience for which you are looking.
Yaa know everybody, if people have yet to 
noticethemselves, generally, it tells you all you 
need to know about someone whether or not they're 
interested in working with us, adapting existing 
infrastructure to make it workable non-visually, you know?
Again, let the guy or this chick go. Perhaps, 
that's the message she's trying to send you all 
along. Maybe, she is seeking to dissuade.
for today, Car
408-209-3239

04:03 PM 1/10/2014, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>Hi Emily, Thanks. So where are you at school? 
>what is your major? What are some of the major 
>things you learned? There is one more professor 
>I can try for next semester. Maybe he will be 
>understanding. As I said, I just want to take it 
>for the business and consumer knowledge. I'm a 
>bit sad and frustrated because I tried last 
>semester to take it only to learn two professors 
>required a marketing computer simulation; I 
>would not be able to see this, so opted not to 
>take it. I may have gotten an alternate 
>assignment, but I did not want to pay for a 
>class knowing I could not do a major part of the 
>course because its inherriently inaccessible. I 
>don't think the professor will work with me. I 
>wrote only three emails. Today, I asked her 
>this. I understand the videos are a critical 
>component to class. Will you provide the 
>material another way such as describing it to me 
>or giving me copies to watch outside class? End 
>question. I'm glad to hear the blackboard 
>discussion is working; last time it was not but 
>that was a few years back. The professor wrote 
>back reiterating she is Not on campus, will not 
>call students, will not give out her number to 
>discuss anything, and feels her spontaneous 
>teaching style is not good for me; I would not 
>see her white board notes either. I would not 
>see the powerpoints, but I could get copies I 
>know. I don't think I should work with someone 
>like this. I'm glad you had a good experience 
>but your professor seemed more open. Here is 
>just an excerpt of her hurtful email. and keep 
>in mind I only wrote three times which btw is 
>not much if you are having a discussion. also, I 
>waited for her responses! I did not! email and 
>email same stuff and bother her. Some students 
>do that; I know because professors complain 
>about that; students do that and fail to wait 
>for a response. Here is the excerpt. Thank you 
>for your phone number. However, I do not call 
>students, nor do I provide my phone number. I've 
>also written that, as an adjunct, I am not on 
>campus except when I have classes. That said and 
>based on the frequency of your recent emails, I 
>may not be as accessible as you might require. I 
>am concerned that the spontaneity of my classes 
>may not be appropriate for the best learning 
>experience for you. I often decide at the last 
>minute if and what video I will use. The sources 
>are not predictable. It's wherever I find the 
>most appropriate video. I do not have prepared 
>notes for the White Board, as they are often 
>based on the classroom discussions, as I've 
>mentioned before. I have indicated there is much 
>Team work, including the Final Project. There 
>are Powerpoints and presentations involved in 
>all the Team work. I have concern for you and 
>your Teammates in preparing this work, since 
>there is often not a great deal of lead time. 
>end note. Isn't this bad? Oh, why oh why do 
>schools hire such closed minded people. Okay, 
>she is not required to call me, and not required 
>to give out her number. but she should be 
>willing to dialogue with students even if it 
>means emails or heaven forbid, staying on campus 
>to be accessible. Okay done ranting. Ashley 
>-----Original Message----- From: Emily 
>Pennington Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:02 
>PM To: National Association of Blind Students 
>mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing 
>class Hi, Ashley. Last spring, I took a 
>Principles of Marketing class, and it wasn't bad 
>at all in terms of accessibility. Like your 
>professor, mine lectured with PowerPoints and 
>showed several videos in class. While the 
>dialogue in the videos was helpful (depending on 
>the commercial or advertisement), there were 
>some visual things I often missed. However, my 
>professor would briefly discuss the video 
>afterword, asking the class what they observed 
>and reiterating what they had seen. It helped me 
>fill in most of the missing pieces. If your 
>professor shows the videos in class, you could 
>ask her to reiterate and discuss what went on -- 
>namely, what she wanted the class to see in 
>particular. My Marketing class didn't have a 
>Blackboard discussion component, although I've 
>been in several other classes in which it has 
>played a major role. The discussion forums on 
>Blackboard are very accessible; I used JAWS and 
>never had any difficulty once I familiarized 
>myself with the page. It's easy to upload file 
>assignments, too; there is usually a submit 
>assignments link, and you either upload the file 
>by browsing your computer or cut and paste the 
>text of your assignment, depending on what your 
>teacher prefers. Feel free to write me off-list 
>if you have any more questions. I hope this 
>helped, to an extent. Marketing is a great 
>business class to take. Take care, Emily ----- 
>Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" 
><bookwormahb at earthlink.net> To: "National 
>Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Sent: Friday, January 10, 
>2014 3:07 PM Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class > 
>Hi all, > > I am debating whether to take intro 
>to marketing or another business > class. I’m 
>taking a class more for the knowledge, as a 
>resume builder, and > something to do as I look 
>for work. My goals are to learn something for > 
>the work world; I may want to go into marketing 
>or communications; I have > a liberal studies 
>degree. > I also want to learn about the office 
>environment and how it functions. > > I’m 
>hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible 
>the class will be. In > the past, group work 
>using case studies, videos, and blackboard > 
>discussions has posed a big problem. > > The 
>professor says she lectures from powerpoint. 
>This is typical as many > teachers do it; she 
>also uses class discussion, group activities, 
>case > studies, and videos. > I could benefit 
>from lectures and discussion as everyone else 
>does. > > But she indicates we use ocasional 
>group blackboard discussion and videos > are 
>critical. > > So my questions. Have you taken 
>marketing? If so, what was your > experience? 
>Did you run into these challenges and how did 
>you deal with > them? > > Is the blackboard 
>submission link accessible? How about 
>discussions? > I may have issues with group 
>projects, but that would be the same with the > 
>business organization development class too. > > 
>How did you get access to video content? I would 
>ask the professor > questions, but she is 
>adjunct and does not have an office on campus. 
>she > already told me in her email that she is 
>only on campus to teach, and > furthermore, the 
>best communication channel is email. This 
>eliminates the > idea of discussing stuff either 
>on phone, skype, or in person in her > office. 
>Often, face to face is best, because emails you 
>can go round and > round and not be helped. Now, 
>with a discussion, you can have more of an > 
>understanding, in my opinion. > > So, I’m just 
>thinking aloud. My last professor for religion 
>showed videos > extensively, but we worked it 
>out. she spoke to me after class to answer > my 
>questions or if there was some action she felt I 
>needed, she told me > after class. > 
>Additionally, any concerns we discussed in 
>office hours; she was full > time, and had 
>office on campus. > > I’ll check online and 
>see if there are any ratings for the marketing > 
>professor. > > Look forward to ideas. > Ashley > 
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