[nabs-l] I'm looking for a book

Elif Emir Öksüz filerime at gmail.com
Mon Jan 12 01:46:35 UTC 2015 

Thanks guys.
we will see how it will work for me. this classes are online. so maybe
it will be an advantage.
I'll ask for a reader when it is required for me.

2015-01-11 19:03 GMT-05:00, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Hi all, I've used statistics texts in both E-text and recorded audio
> from Learning Ally. When I used E-text I had a reader help me with the
> few things that weren't accessible. A little secret: There are a lot
> of graphs and tables in the print book, but most are not actually
> necessary to read. The few tables that are actually necessary, like
> the table of critical values, can be found online. This is coming from
> someone who has taken five stats courses and also prefers Braille.
> What I'd suggest is to focus on the text part, and then if you have
> any trouble following a specific concept, talk with your professor or
> a TA to help improve your understanding of the content in that
> particular area. If you use recorded audio, they will describe
> everything. The trick I used then was to take notes while listening to
> the recorded text, using my Braille Note, so I could retain the info.
> I've found the best way to learn statistics is to do the homework
> problems. This is more important than carefully reading the text. In
> fact, in my graduate course where I only had an inaccessible PDF copy
> of the text, I stopped bothering with the text altogether after the
> first chapter, and just focused on the spoken lectures and the
> homework. My husband, who is sighted and was also in that class with
> me, didn't read the book either. And we both got A's. So I'd suggest
> checking the homework problems to see if you can read the formulas in
> them, and if you can't, invest in a reader or see if you can get a
> cleaner copy or an audio copy from Learning Ally. Or you could try
> asking your professor or TA to simply type up the homework for you.
> But don't worry so much about the details in the chapters. This is
> just what has worked for me. Good luck!
> Arielle
>
> On 1/11/15, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I think someone already mentioned that statistics books have a lot of
>> tables and graphs in them that are impossible to make accessible
>> electronically. No matter if a pdf is completely readable, there's no
>> way for you to read tables and graphs with Jaws. One option is for you
>> to ask your DS office to make the text portions of the book accessible
>> and then get a reader to describe the visual material for you, or you
>> could make them braille the book fo ryou. I tok Stats last year and my
>> DS office had to braille the book fo rme because I can't do math by
>> listening to it.
>>
>> Minh
>>
>> On 1/11/15, Elif Emir Öksüz <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> They wanted me to send an example to show what I want.
>>> Does anyone have a good processed statistic book chapter, only one
>>> chapter, with some tables and grafs?
>>> Would you mind shareing it with me.
>>> I have bunch of examples but they are not statistic books, so not many
>>> tables and graffs are not in them.
>>>
>>> 2015-01-11 11:47 GMT-05:00, Elif Emir Öksüz <filerime at gmail.com>:
>>>> I read on reviews that the online version of this book is extremely
>>>> bad so I bought the paper coppy hoping that my disability office will
>>>> take care of it. They already requested it from the publisher. While
>>>> waiting for it, one of the other books came from publisher. They
>>>> directly forwarded the pdf to me as an accessible format.
>>>> I went there and talked to them, and I understood they have no idea
>>>> about alternate texts. I am so disappointed with them. I don't believe
>>>> that they can manage to prepare a statistic book.
>>>> I need to educate them I think. Maybe in this point NFB can be
>>>> helpful. If they insist on sending pdfs I'll let you know for some
>>>> help from nfb.
>>>> UC doesn't have a real blind student for years. They have some legally
>>>> blind people but not totally.
>>>> Thanks for your suggestions.
>>>> I'll still request it from bookshare. They can be more successful then
>>>> my
>>>> guys.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2015-01-11 7:33 GMT-05:00, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>>> The trouble with that is this is a stats book, which means it
>>>>> will include a large number of tables, graphs, and mathematical
>>>>> formulae, and Bookshare does not typically transcribe these
>>>>> properly nor are they accessible in a pdf from the publisher.
>>>>> Someone would have to actually sit down and write in descriptions
>>>>> of the graphs etc. to make the book accessible.  This is awkward,
>>>>> but if you can't get that done, you might have to have your dss
>>>>> provide you with a reader to sit down and explain the graphs and
>>>>> formulae to you.  Make sure you get them to give you someone who
>>>>> knows statistics--sometimes they will give you like an exercise
>>>>> science major or something, and they will have a really hard time
>>>>> describing things.
>>>>>
>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Tamika Williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> To: "filerime at gmail.com" <filerime at gmail.com>,National
>>>>> Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:10:19 -0600
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a book
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have already tried both Learning Ally and Bookshare then I
>>>>> have a few other  suggestions. you should ccontact your bookstore
>>>>> to see if the print version of the book comes with an access code
>>>>> that gives you access to the online version of the textbook. If
>>>>> that is not a choice then you or your Disabled Student Services
>>>>> could request an electronic copy directly from the publisher.
>>>>> Lastly, you could put in a special request on Bookshare and if
>>>>> they can obtain the book they will make it available to you as
>>>>> soon as they can. I will tell you though that if you choose to
>>>>> request a book from the publisher or if you pace a special
>>>>> request from Bookshare that i may take a while before you get it.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> Tamika Willliams
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Jan 10, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Elif via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Book share doesn't have that particular book they have other
>>>>> statistical books
>>>>>
>>>>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Jan 10, 2015, at 13:36, Arielle Silverman
>>>>> <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi Elif, Have you checked BookShare or Learning Ally?
>>>>>  Arielle
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 1/9/15, Elif Emir 횜ks체z <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>  Hello all,
>>>>>  For 2 of my spring courses I need a book. Unfortunetly my new
>>>>> school
>>>>>  has a little idea and experience about alternate texts. They
>>>>> think
>>>>>  that a simple pdf is accessible
>>>>>  I also registered to those classes very late. So they are in
>>>>> short of
>>>>>  time and don't have so much past experience.
>>>>>  Did anyone use this book in accessible format?
>>>>>  An introduction to statistical concepts? 3rd edition
>>>>>  Richard Lomax, it should be 2012 or 2013
>>>>>  If yes please let me know. My school can ask your school's
>>>>> disability
>>>>>  services dept to get the accessible version of it from there.
>>>>>
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>>>>>   I don't want to read that book in Odeal because there are so
>>>>> many tables and screenshotsDs in this book
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