[nabs-l] I'm looking for a book

Mon Jan 12 00:03:30 UTC 2015

Hi all, I've used statistics texts in both E-text and recorded audio
from Learning Ally. When I used E-text I had a reader help me with the
few things that weren't accessible. A little secret: There are a lot
of graphs and tables in the print book, but most are not actually
necessary to read. The few tables that are actually necessary, like
the table of critical values, can be found online. This is coming from
someone who has taken five stats courses and also prefers Braille.
What I'd suggest is to focus on the text part, and then if you have
any trouble following a specific concept, talk with your professor or
a TA to help improve your understanding of the content in that
particular area. If you use recorded audio, they will describe
everything. The trick I used then was to take notes while listening to
the recorded text, using my Braille Note, so I could retain the info.
I've found the best way to learn statistics is to do the homework
problems. This is more important than carefully reading the text. In
fact, in my graduate course where I only had an inaccessible PDF copy
of the text, I stopped bothering with the text altogether after the
first chapter, and just focused on the spoken lectures and the
homework. My husband, who is sighted and was also in that class with
me, didn't read the book either. And we both got A's. So I'd suggest
checking the homework problems to see if you can read the formulas in
them, and if you can't, invest in a reader or see if you can get a
cleaner copy or an audio copy from Learning Ally. Or you could try
asking your professor or TA to simply type up the homework for you.
But don't worry so much about the details in the chapters. This is
just what has worked for me. Good luck!
Arielle

On 1/11/15, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I think someone already mentioned that statistics books have a lot of
> tables and graphs in them that are impossible to make accessible
> electronically. No matter if a pdf is completely readable, there's no
> way for you to read tables and graphs with Jaws. One option is for you
> to ask your DS office to make the text portions of the book accessible
> and then get a reader to describe the visual material for you, or you
> could make them braille the book fo ryou. I tok Stats last year and my
> DS office had to braille the book fo rme because I can't do math by
> listening to it.
>
> Minh
>
> On 1/11/15, Elif Emir Öksüz <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> They wanted me to send an example to show what I want.
>> Does anyone have a good processed statistic book chapter, only one
>> chapter, with some tables and grafs?
>> Would you mind shareing it with me.
>> I have bunch of examples but they are not statistic books, so not many
>> tables and graffs are not in them.
>>
>> 2015-01-11 11:47 GMT-05:00, Elif Emir Öksüz <filerime at gmail.com>:
>>> I read on reviews that the online version of this book is extremely
>>> bad so I bought the paper coppy hoping that my disability office will
>>> take care of it. They already requested it from the publisher. While
>>> waiting for it, one of the other books came from publisher. They
>>> directly forwarded the pdf to me as an accessible format.
>>> I went there and talked to them, and I understood they have no idea
>>> about alternate texts. I am so disappointed with them. I don't believe
>>> that they can manage to prepare a statistic book.
>>> I need to educate them I think. Maybe in this point NFB can be
>>> helpful. If they insist on sending pdfs I'll let you know for some
>>> help from nfb.
>>> UC doesn't have a real blind student for years. They have some legally
>>> blind people but not totally.
>>> Thanks for your suggestions.
>>> I'll still request it from bookshare. They can be more successful then my
>>> guys.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-01-11 7:33 GMT-05:00, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>> The trouble with that is this is a stats book, which means it
>>>> will include a large number of tables, graphs, and mathematical
>>>> formulae, and Bookshare does not typically transcribe these
>>>> properly nor are they accessible in a pdf from the publisher.
>>>> Someone would have to actually sit down and write in descriptions
>>>> of the graphs etc. to make the book accessible.  This is awkward,
>>>> but if you can't get that done, you might have to have your dss
>>>> provide you with a reader to sit down and explain the graphs and
>>>> formulae to you.  Make sure you get them to give you someone who
>>>> knows statistics--sometimes they will give you like an exercise
>>>> science major or something, and they will have a really hard time
>>>> describing things.
>>>>
>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Tamika Williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> To: "filerime at gmail.com" <filerime at gmail.com>,National
>>>> Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:10:19 -0600
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a book
>>>>
>>>> If you have already tried both Learning Ally and Bookshare then I
>>>> have a few other  suggestions. you should ccontact your bookstore
>>>> to see if the print version of the book comes with an access code
>>>> that gives you access to the online version of the textbook. If
>>>> that is not a choice then you or your Disabled Student Services
>>>> could request an electronic copy directly from the publisher.
>>>> Lastly, you could put in a special request on Bookshare and if
>>>> they can obtain the book they will make it available to you as
>>>> soon as they can. I will tell you though that if you choose to
>>>> request a book from the publisher or if you pace a special
>>>> request from Bookshare that i may take a while before you get it.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>> Tamika Willliams
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>  On Jan 10, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Elif via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Book share doesn't have that particular book they have other
>>>> statistical books
>>>>
>>>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>  On Jan 10, 2015, at 13:36, Arielle Silverman
>>>> <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hi Elif, Have you checked BookShare or Learning Ally?
>>>>  Arielle
>>>>
>>>>  On 1/9/15, Elif Emir 횜ks체z <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>  Hello all,
>>>>  For 2 of my spring courses I need a book. Unfortunetly my new
>>>> school
>>>>  has a little idea and experience about alternate texts. They
>>>> think
>>>>  that a simple pdf is accessible
>>>>  I also registered to those classes very late. So they are in
>>>> short of
>>>>  time and don't have so much past experience.
>>>>  Did anyone use this book in accessible format?
>>>>  An introduction to statistical concepts? 3rd edition
>>>>  Richard Lomax, it should be 2012 or 2013
>>>>  If yes please let me know. My school can ask your school's
>>>> disability
>>>>  services dept to get the accessible version of it from there.
>>>>
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>>>>   I don't want to read that book in Odeal because there are so
>>>> many tables and screenshotsDs in this book
>>>>
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