[nabs-l] academic library access

STOMBERG, KENNEDY kestomberg at coe.edu
Wed Jan 13 02:17:30 UTC 2016


Kaiti,

I will deffinitely talk to my ADA cordinator! I wasn't aware that this was
part of ADA, but I will definitely get on that!

Carly, I do appoligize if I seemed disrespectful or close-minded in any
way. Readers can be nice to have. My ADA cordinator just hired one for me
to have in my Henetics Lab. We will only meet when it is needed, and he
will help me with the more visual parts of the problems. class, such as
Punitt Squares, and graphing However, I will do most of the work
endependently. I'm certainly not above asking for help. But I have found
that I tend to do well on my own a lot of the time, so a reader isn't
necessary, especially when it means trying to figure out busy schedules.
course, I would have to work with my reader more if my technology failed.

Have a lovely evening!
Kennedy Stomberg

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> wrote:

> Hi, Kennedy,
>
> I just within the past year learned that the library at my college had
> a computer with jaws on it.  Apparently the DS office forgot to tell
> me where it was, but it had been there all along in compliance with
> ADA regulations, and it was nice to have it when my computer was
> completely down for the count.  It might be worth talking to your
> disability coordinator about.  I'm not sure how far along you are in
> your education there, but unless you're close to finishing up having
> the conversation about computer access options might not be a bad
> idea.
>
> It should be noted that, at the very least, they should put NVDA or
> something on a computer and keep it there.  NVDA is free and you can
> get an eloquence driver for it.  I believe that Window Eyes, which is
> also free, has a Jaws imitation mode.  There shouldn't be any excuse
> for them to do nothing.  Hopefully, if you choose to have the
> conversation, it would be a productive brainstorming session about a
> detail they just somehow overlooked, and even if it takes a while to
> implement it might be there for the next blind student who might want
> to study at your university.
>
> I'd be interested to find out from the other blind student I know of
> on my campus if they also have zoom text on that library for her since
> she does not use braille proficiently yet, but it could be useful to
> explore what universities are required to load onto library computers
> in ADA compliance.
>
> On 1/12/16, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Carly,
> >
> > No one was "fixating" on anything.  Ashley was asking for suggestions
> > and several of us were throwing out what we do to accomplish the
> > things she asked about.  No one said using human readers was not an
> > option, but having access to the actual article itself in some
> > electronic form has its benefits, and for some students scheduling
> > every little research session out with a human reader would be a huge
> > undertaking and burden to the task at hand.  No one was saying
> > technology is the only way to go, but it certainly has benefits and
> > makes things easier, which was precisely what it is supposed to do if
> > I'm not mistaken.  If you prefer to use human readers over technology
> > then that is your choice, and everyone has the right to like what
> > suits them best.
> >
> > On 1/12/16, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Afternoon, "STOMBERG,
> >>   Seems, you are fixating on a single strand of
> >> the idea of accessing the illusive printed word
> >> and fixating on it, regarding it as inherently
> >> prohibitive, the fact seems to be that yes, with
> >> enough hammering out, two people can find
> >> schedules that give. However, if your technpology
> >> chooses not to be functional for what you need to
> >> get done, your hands are as good as tied, getting
> >> work done remaining a pipedream. This is to say,
> >> use everything you have at your disposal, nothing
> >> works all the time for every scenario! Perhaps,
> >> Remaining open and  flexible might be a key to your success, don['t ya
> >> think?
> >> Car57 PM 1/12/2016, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l wrote:
> >>>Kaiti, You bring up a very good point! I am
> >>>the  only blind student at my college, and the
> >>>first blind student there in twenty years, not
> >>>to mention the firststudent who relies comletely
> >>>on Braille. As a result, my campus has no
> >>>computers with JAWS or other screen readers,
> >>>asside from my own personal laptop. This means
> >>>that if something happened with my technology, I
> >>>would have to rely solely on a human reader.
> >>>However, I do try to avoid human readers if I
> >>>can, that way I am only bound by my own
> >>>schedule. On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 11:41 AM,
> >>>Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l < nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>wrote: > Hi, Carly and all, > > Of course the
> >>>choice to use technology or work with another
> >>>person is > a personal choice, but in my
> >>>experience technology works a good 80% of > the
> >>>time at least (in that 20% I'm counting when PDF
> >>>files from the > library are not innately
> >>>accessible).  IN that case, what I do as >
> >>>stated before is get human intervention in the
> >>>form of my disability > services converting the
> >>>files to a readable format for my >
> >>>computer/notetaker.  That's what they're there
> >>>for, after all. > > I have used readers before,
> >>>but I think I'd dread using them on > something
> >>>as extensive as a research project where
> >>>multiple, long > articles or books need to be
> >>>read.  It is essential, I think, to have > a
> >>>copy of the printed material at your disposal so
> >>>you can see how > statements are punctuated and
> >>>how exactly the author worded them when > citing
> >>>in your paper.  It also allows for you to draw
> >>>your own > conclusions without some other person
> >>>unintentionally adding their > interpretation
> >>>into their reading or screwing up the reading
> >>>because > they're not familiar with the subject
> >>>you are studying. > > Lastly, I usually avoid
> >>>readers because I hate the idea of being >
> >>>beholden to someone else's schedule to get my
> >>>work done.  I'm not > above asking for help and
> >>>have used readers in the past for short >
> >>>projects, but to do something like extensive
> >>>research reading like a > thesis or senior
> >>>capstone project like I did last semester would
> >>>be > crazy.  I worked on it whenever I had free
> >>>time because the project > was so large,
> >>>including late at night and over the weekends
> >>>when a > human reader probably wouldn't have
> >>>been available because of their > own life
> >>>commitments. > > Also, even in cases when
> >>>personal technology goes down, there should > be
> >>>a few different places one could go to have
> >>>computer access. > Colleges are supposed to be
> >>>required by ADA law to have an accessible >
> >>>computer in a library for public accommodation,
> >>>and if not I've used a > computer in the testing
> >>>center before when nothing else was working. >
> >>>Think about it; if a sighted student's laptop
> >>>went down they'd have > plenty of other
> >>>computers to use to get their work done, so as
> >>>blind > students if our work goes down having
> >>>access to a computer at least > somewhere on
> >>>campus is a reasonable accommodation. > > > On
> >>>1/11/16, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l
> >>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Good morning,
> >>>everyone, > > > > What about when tech doesn't
> >>>work? At least when > > a reader is humanoid,
> >>>you are likely to get work done. > > CarAt 03:46
> >>>PM 1/9/2016, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
> >>>wrote: > >>Hello Kennedy, Glad you shared your
> >>>thoughts. I > >>guess we just have to do what we
> >>>can do and get > >>help with human readers.
> >>>Readers are great when > >>they work well and
> >>>are dependable, but I've had > >>many unreliable
> >>>readers. I am glad someone gets > >>the
> >>>frustration with ebsco databases. They
> >>>are > >>terrible. What I learned from a good
> >>>librarian > >>though Ii s something that saves
> >>>me so much > >>time. Before, I did the same
> >>>search in several > >>ebsco databases. This
> >>>librarian showed me how to > >>search all ebsco
> >>>databases at once, or you can > >>pick which
> >>>databases you desire to search by > >>checking
> >>>the boxes. So, once you pick the > >>databases
> >>>you want, you press a button and it > >>sets it
> >>>to that search. Then I limit it to > >>certain
> >>>types of articles so I do not get > >>hundreds
> >>>of book reviews. It works great, and I > >>wish
> >>>I had known that before. I suggest that
> >>>if > >>you need many ebsco databases that you
> >>>have a > >>librarian show you this trick. Press
> >>>B to get to > >>the buttons. My experience is
> >>>also that some > >>librarians are great, and
> >>>some are not. Yeah, a > >>mixed bag of good and
> >>>bvad ones. It takes more > >>skills and patience
> >>>to describe what they are > >>doing, and some do
> >>>not have it. They typically > >>show students
> >>>what they are doing on the screen, > >>and since
> >>>I cannot see the screen, they have
> >>>to > >>verbalize it. I was researching Queen
> >>>victoria, > >>and needed biographical info not
> >>>online through > >>databases. So, I used
> >>>readers. I got an > >>extension on the project
> >>>as I needed more time > >>as my readers took
> >>>longer to find the info and > >>they cancelled
> >>>sometimes on me. Well, we pretty > >>have much
> >>>the same experiences. Man, if I ever > >>have
> >>>free time and find an ebsco contact
> >>>for > >>accessibility, I'll write to them.
> >>>Ashley > >>-----Original Message----- From:
> >>>STOMBERG, > >>KENNEDY via nabs-l Sent: Saturday,
> >>>January 09, > >>2016 5:28 PM To: National
> >>>Association of Blind > >>Students mailing list
> >>>Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY > >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> >>>academic library access > >>Ashley, It honestly
> >>>depends on the type of > >>research you are
> >>>doing. You are so right about > >>the Ebsco
> >>>databases, though. They are a > >>nightmare! If
> >>>you're looking for scinitific > >>journal
> >>>articles, I find that Google Scholar is > >>very
> >>>accessable. Bookshare or Learning Allz > >>might
> >>>also be an option, if they have the
> >>>books > >>you need. I have had both good and
> >>>bad > >>experiences with librarians. And I
> >>>deffinitely > >>agree that it's frustrating to
> >>>still need > >>readers in this day and age! It's
> >>>kind of > >>redicubous! Good luck with your
> >>>classes this > >>semester! Kennedy Stomberg On
> >>>Sat, Jan 9, 2016 > >>at 3:47 PM, Vejas
> >>>Vasiliauskas via nabs-l < > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>wrote: > Hi, > If you have a > >>Bookshare
> >>>account, you could try looking for
> >>>the > >>book > there.  If you're working on a
> >>>research > >>paper of some kind, Bookshare >
> >>>usually has some > >>good books on the topic
> >>>you're researching. > I > >>never used the
> >>>databases in high school; do you > >>find using
> >>>them helpful? > Vejas > > > > ----- > >>Original
> >>>Message ----- > From: Ashley Bramlett > >>via
> >>>nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > To:
> >>>"National > >>Association of Blind Students
> >>>mailing list" < > > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date
> >>>sent: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 > >>16:22:05 -0500 >
> >>>Subject: [nabs-l] academic > >>library
> >>>access > > Hi all, > > I̢۪d like to > >>hear
> >>>ar about the level of support
> >>>and > >>accessibility of your > library and
> >>>the > >>resources it has. > I̢۪ve writritten
> >>>about my > >>struggles before.  The gist is that
> >>>many > >>library > databases have access
> >>>issues.  The > >>ebsco ones are the worst.  Its
> >>>hard to > open > >>the pull down list of
> >>>options, but I think I > >>finally did open
> >>>them > with spacebar.  I find > >>that databases
> >>>run through Oxford and proquest > >>are >
> >>>generally user friendly
> >>>and > >>accessible.  Jstor is fairly decent, but
> >>>seems > > >>like most articles are image pdfs or
> >>>display on > >>the screen as images.  I > kept
> >>>wondering why > >>jaws was saying graphic and
> >>>the next line said > >>page 1 > of > 5 or
> >>>however many pages it was; > >>then it occurred
> >>>to me that the text must > be > >>an image; so I
> >>>found the pdf link to download > >>it. > The pdf
> >>>was an image too, so I had to > >>convert
> >>>it. > > Generally, when I was in
> >>>the > >>university setting, I got support from
> >>>the > > >>reference desk.  They retrieved books
> >>>for me and > >>other students had to > find >
> >>>them by call > >>number.  I got pretty much the
> >>>same support as > >>other > students.  I was on
> >>>my own with access > >>barriers.  Sometimes, I
> >>>was able to > get a > >>library assistant to sit
> >>>down with me and look > >>at the database and >
> >>>then email me relevant > >>articles.  This
> >>>worked much faster than > >>jaws. > > Now, to
> >>>learn more, I̢۪m taking > >>classes at at
> >>>Northern virginia community > > >>college, nova,
> >>>while looking for work. > > Many > >>Nova
> >>>reference staff are great and in fact go > >>the
> >>>extra mile.  They > explain well how
> >>>to > >>search databases.  Others seem to
> >>>struggle how > >>to > verbalize
> >>>things.  Normally, they demo the > >>task and
> >>>have the information > seeker watch > >>what
> >>>they are
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> >>>Dayton-Music Therapy > President, Ohio
> >>>Association of Blind Students 2013-Present >
> >>>Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind
> >>>Performing Arts > Division 2015-2016 > > "You
> >>>can live the life you want; blindness is not
> >>>what holds you back!" > >
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> > Kaiti Shelton
> > University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> > Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> > Division 2015-2016
> >
> > "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
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> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
>
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
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