[nabs-l] academic library access
Carly Mihalakis
carlymih at comcast.net
Wed Jan 13 02:38:15 UTC 2016
Good evening, Kenedy,
If that is your style of learning, then,
I guess, have at it. Whereas I believe in
traveling, living, and learning taking place in a
social environment. After all, humans are social
creatures and Everybody regurgitates the stuff
they impart through differently shaded vantages.
Thus allowing for a different understanding. And,
of course, Kenedy, there is no disrespect intended!
Happy Tuesday!
CarlAt 06:17 PM 1/12/2016, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l wrote:
>Kaiti, I will deffinitely talk to my ADA
>cordinator! I wasn't aware that this was part of
>ADA, but I will definitely get on that! Carly, I
>do appoligize if I seemed disrespectful or
>close-minded in any way. Readers can be nice to
>have. My ADA cordinator just hired one for me to
>have in my Henetics Lab. We will only meet when
>it is needed, and he will help me with the more
>visual parts of the problems. class, such as
>Punitt Squares, and graphing However, I will do
>most of the work endependently. I'm certainly
>not above asking for help. But I have found that
>I tend to do well on my own a lot of the time,
>so a reader isn't necessary, especially when it
>means trying to figure out busy schedules.
>course, I would have to work with my reader more
>if my technology failed. Have a lovely evening!
>Kennedy Stomberg On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 7:42
>PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > Hi, Kennedy, > > I
>just within the past year learned that the
>library at my college had > a computer with jaws
>on it. Apparently the DS office forgot to
>tell > me where it was, but it had been there
>all along in compliance with > ADA regulations,
>and it was nice to have it when my computer
>was > completely down for the count. It might
>be worth talking to your > disability
>coordinator about. I'm not sure how far along
>you are in > your education there, but unless
>you're close to finishing up having > the
>conversation about computer access options might
>not be a bad > idea. > > It should be noted
>that, at the very least, they should put NVDA
>or > something on a computer and keep it
>there. NVDA is free and you can > get an
>eloquence driver for it. I believe that Window
>Eyes, which is > also free, has a Jaws imitation
>mode. There shouldn't be any excuse > for them
>to do nothing. Hopefully, if you choose to have
>the > conversation, it would be a productive
>brainstorming session about a > detail they just
>somehow overlooked, and even if it takes a while
>to > implement it might be there for the next
>blind student who might want > to study at your
>university. > > I'd be interested to find out
>from the other blind student I know of > on my
>campus if they also have zoom text on that
>library for her since > she does not use braille
>proficiently yet, but it could be useful to >
>explore what universities are required to load
>onto library computers > in ADA compliance. > >
>On 1/12/16, Kaiti Shelton
><crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote: > >
>Carly, > > > > No one was "fixating" on
>anything. Ashley was asking for suggestions > >
>and several of us were throwing out what we do
>to accomplish the > > things she asked
>about. No one said using human readers was not
>an > > option, but having access to the actual
>article itself in some > > electronic form has
>its benefits, and for some students
>scheduling > > every little research session out
>with a human reader would be a huge > >
>undertaking and burden to the task at hand. No
>one was saying > > technology is the only way to
>go, but it certainly has benefits and > > makes
>things easier, which was precisely what it is
>supposed to do if > > I'm not mistaken. If you
>prefer to use human readers over technology > >
>then that is your choice, and everyone has the
>right to like what > > suits them best. > > > >
>On 1/12/16, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >> Afternoon,
>"STOMBERG, > >> Seems, you are fixating on a
>single strand of > >> the idea of accessing the
>illusive printed word > >> and fixating on it,
>regarding it as inherently > >> prohibitive, the
>fact seems to be that yes, with > >> enough
>hammering out, two people can find > >>
>schedules that give. However, if your
>technpology > >> chooses not to be functional
>for what you need to > >> get done, your hands
>are as good as tied, getting > >> work done
>remaining a pipedream. This is to say, > >> use
>everything you have at your disposal,
>nothing > >> works all the time for every
>scenario! Perhaps, > >> Remaining open
>and flexible might be a key to your success,
>don['t ya > >> think? > >> Car57 PM 1/12/2016,
>STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l wrote: > >>>Kaiti,
>You bring up a very good point! I
>am > >>>the only blind student at my college,
>and the > >>>first blind student there in twenty
>years, not > >>>to mention the firststudent who
>relies comletely > >>>on Braille. As a result,
>my campus has no > >>>computers with JAWS or
>other screen readers, > >>>asside from my own
>personal laptop. This means > >>>that if
>something happened with my technology,
>I > >>>would have to rely solely on a human
>reader. > >>>However, I do try to avoid human
>readers if I > >>>can, that way I am only bound
>by my own > >>>schedule. On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at
>11:41 AM, > >>>Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > >>>wrote: > Hi, Carly and
>all, > > Of course the > >>>choice to use
>technology or work with another > >>>person is >
>a personal choice, but in my > >>>experience
>technology works a good 80% of > the > >>>time
>at least (in that 20% I'm counting when
>PDF > >>>files from the > library are not
>innately > >>>accessible). IN that case, what I
>do as > > >>>stated before is get human
>intervention in the > >>>form of my disability >
>services converting the > >>>files to a readable
>format for my > > >>>computer/notetaker. That's
>what they're there > >>>for, after all. > > I
>have used readers before, > >>>but I think I'd
>dread using them on > something > >>>as
>extensive as a research project
>where > >>>multiple, long > articles or books
>need to be > >>>read. It is essential, I think,
>to have > a > >>>copy of the printed material at
>your disposal so > >>>you can see how >
>statements are punctuated and > >>>how exactly
>the author worded them when > citing > >>>in
>your paper. It also allows for you to
>draw > >>>your own > conclusions without some
>other person > >>>unintentionally adding their >
>interpretation > >>>into their reading or
>screwing up the reading > >>>because > they're
>not familiar with the subject > >>>you are
>studying. > > Lastly, I usually
>avoid > >>>readers because I hate the idea of
>being > > >>>beholden to someone else's schedule
>to get my > >>>work done. I'm not > above
>asking for help and > >>>have used readers in
>the past for short > > >>>projects, but to do
>something like extensive > >>>research reading
>like a > thesis or senior > >>>capstone project
>like I did last semester would > >>>be >
>crazy. I worked on it whenever I had
>free > >>>time because the project > was so
>large, > >>>including late at night and over the
>weekends > >>>when a > human reader probably
>wouldn't have > >>>been available because of
>their > own life > >>>commitments. > > Also,
>even in cases when > >>>personal technology goes
>down, there should > be > >>>a few different
>places one could go to have > >>>computer
>access. > Colleges are supposed to
>be > >>>required by ADA law to have an
>accessible > > >>>computer in a library for
>public accommodation, > >>>and if not I've used
>a > computer in the testing > >>>center before
>when nothing else was working. > > >>>Think
>about it; if a sighted student's
>laptop > >>>went down they'd have > plenty of
>other > >>>computers to use to get their work
>done, so as > >>>blind > students if our work
>goes down having > >>>access to a computer at
>least > somewhere on > >>>campus is a reasonable
>accommodation. > > > On > >>>1/11/16, Carly
>Mihalakis via nabs-l > >>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>wrote: > > Good morning, > >>>everyone, > > > >
>What about when tech doesn't > >>>work? At least
>when > > a reader is humanoid, > >>>you are
>likely to get work done. > > CarAt 03:46 > >>>PM
>1/9/2016, Ashley Bramlett via
>nabs-l > >>>wrote: > >>Hello Kennedy, Glad you
>shared your > >>>thoughts. I > >>guess we just
>have to do what we > >>>can do and get > >>help
>with human readers. > >>>Readers are great
>when > >>they work well and > >>>are dependable,
>but I've had > >>many unreliable > >>>readers. I
>am glad someone gets > >>the > >>>frustration
>with ebsco databases.
>They > >>>are > >>terrible. What I learned from
>a good > >>>librarian > >>though Ii s something
>that saves > >>>me so much > >>time. Before, I
>did the same > >>>search in several > >>ebsco
>databases. This > >>>librarian showed me how
>to > >>search all ebsco > >>>databases at once,
>or you can > >>pick which > >>>databases you
>desire to search by > >>checking > >>>the boxes.
>So, once you pick the > >>databases > >>>you
>want, you press a button and it > >>sets
>it > >>>to that search. Then I limit it
>to > >>certain > >>>types of articles so I do
>not get > >>hundreds > >>>of book reviews. It
>works great, and I > >>wish > >>>I had known
>that before. I suggest that > >>>if > >>you need
>many ebsco databases that you > >>>have
>a > >>librarian show you this trick.
>Press > >>>B to get to > >>the buttons. My
>experience is > >>>also that some > >>librarians
>are great, and > >>>some are not. Yeah,
>a > >>mixed bag of good and > >>>bvad ones. It
>takes more > >>skills and patience > >>>to
>describe what they are > >>doing, and some
>do > >>>not have it. They typically > >>show
>students > >>>what they are doing on the
>screen, > >>and since > >>>I cannot see the
>screen, they have > >>>to > >>verbalize it. I
>was researching Queen > >>>victoria, > >>and
>needed biographical info not > >>>online
>through > >>databases. So, I used > >>>readers.
>I got an > >>extension on the project > >>>as I
>needed more time > >>as my readers
>took > >>>longer to find the info and > >>they
>cancelled > >>>sometimes on me. Well, we
>pretty > >>have much > >>>the same experiences.
>Man, if I ever > >>have > >>>free time and find
>an ebsco contact > >>>for > >>accessibility,
>I'll write to
>them. > >>>Ashley > >>-----Original Message-----
>From: > >>>STOMBERG, > >>KENNEDY via nabs-l
>Sent: Saturday, > >>>January 09, > >>2016 5:28
>PM To: National > >>>Association of
>Blind > >>Students mailing list > >>>Cc:
>STOMBERG, KENNEDY > >>Subject: Re:
>[nabs-l] > >>>academic library
>access > >>Ashley, It honestly > >>>depends on
>the type of > >>research you are > >>>doing. You
>are so right about > >>the Ebsco > >>>databases,
>though. They are a > >>nightmare! If > >>>you're
>looking for
>scinitific > >>journal > >>>articles, I find
>that Google Scholar is > >>very > >>>accessable.
>Bookshare or Learning Allz > >>might > >>>also
>be an option, if they have
>the > >>>books > >>you need. I have had both
>good and > >>>bad > >>experiences with
>librarians. And I > >>>deffinitely > >>agree
>that it's frustrating to > >>>still
>need > >>readers in this day and age!
>It's > >>>kind of > >>redicubous! Good luck with
>your > >>>classes this > >>semester! Kennedy
>Stomberg On > >>>Sat, Jan 9, 2016 > >>at 3:47
>PM, Vejas > >>>Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>< > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > >>>wrote: > Hi, > If
>you have a > >>Bookshare > >>>account, you could
>try looking for > >>>the > >>book > there. If
>you're working on a > >>>research > >>paper of
>some kind, Bookshare > > >>>usually has
>some > >>good books on the topic > >>>you're
>researching. > I > >>never used
>the > >>>databases in high school; do
>you > >>find using > >>>them helpful? >
>Vejas > > > > ----- > >>Original > >>>Message
>----- > From: Ashley
>Bramlett > >>via > >>>nabs-l
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org >
>To: > >>>"National > >>Association of Blind
>Students > >>>mailing list"
>< > > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date > >>>sent: Sat,
>9 Jan 2016 > >>16:22:05 -0500 > > >>>Subject:
>[nabs-l] academic > >>library > >>>access > > Hi
>all, > > I’d like to > >>hear ar > >>>ar
>about the level of
>support > >>>and > >>accessibility of your >
>library and > >>>the > >>resources it has. >
>I’ve writritten > >>>about my > >>struggles
>bs before. The gist is
>that > >>>many > >>library > databases have
>access > >>>issues. The > >>ebsco ones are the
>worst. Its > >>>hard to > open > >>the pull
>down list of > >>>options, but I think
>I > >>finally did open > >>>them > with
>spacebar. I find > >>that databases > >>>run
>through Oxford and
>proquest > >>are > > >>>generally user
>friendly > >>>and > >>accessible. Jstor is
>fairly decent, but > >>>seems > > >>like most
>articles are image pdfs or > >>>display
>on > >>the screen as images. I >
>kept > >>>wondering why > >>jaws was saying
>graphic and > >>>the next line said > >>page 1 >
>of > 5 or > >>>however many pages it
>was; > >>then it occurred > >>>to me that the
>text must > be > >>an image; so I > >>>found the
>pdf link to download > >>it. > The pdf > >>>was
>an image too, so I had
>to > >>convert > >>>it. > > Generally, when I
>was in > >>>the > >>university setting, I got
>support from > >>>the > > >>reference
>desk. They retrieved books > >>>for me
>and > >>other students had to > find > > >>>them
>by call > >>number. I got pretty much
>the > >>>same support as > >>other >
>students. I was on > >>>my own with
>access > >>barriers. Sometimes, I > >>>was able
>to > get a > >>library assistant to
>sit > >>>down with me and look > >>at the
>database and > > >>>then email me
>relevant > >>articles. This > >>>worked much
>faster than > >>jaws. > > Now, to > >>>learn
>more, I’m taking > >>classes at at
>at > >>>Northern virginia
>community > > >>college, nova, > >>>while
>looking for work. > >
>Many > >>Nova > >>>reference staff are great and
>in fact go > >>the > >>>extra mile. They >
>explain well how > >>>to > >>search
>databases. Others seem to > >>>struggle
>how > >>to > verbalize > >>>things. Normally,
>they demo the > >>task and > >>>have the
>information > seeker watch > >>what > >>>they
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>University of > >>>Dayton-Music Therapy >
>President, Ohio > >>>Association of Blind
>Students 2013-Present > > >>>Secretary, The
>National Federation of the Blind > >>>Performing
>Arts > Division 2015-2016 > > "You > >>>can live
>the life you want; blindness is not > >>>what
>holds you
>back!" > > > >>>_________________________________
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>University of Dayton-Music Therapy > >
>President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
>2013-Present > > Secretary, The National
>Federation of the Blind Performing Arts > >
>Division 2015-2016 > > > > "You can live the
>life you want; blindness is not what holds you
>back!" > > > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > University
>of Dayton-Music Therapy > President, Ohio
>Association of Blind Students 2013-Present >
>Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind
>Performing Arts > Division 2015-2016 > > "You
>can live the life you want; blindness is not
>what holds you back!" > >
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