[nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

[Elif Emir Öksüz]

I don’t know have you realized or not but Some of you started blaming Elizabet.
Everybody does not have to be in your mind set or does not have to
deal with the same problem in a way that you took.
Have you ever hurt something called individual differences?

I don’t have a right to talk on behalf of Elizabet. I am just talking
for myself as a counselor.
Dis conversation started to be hurtful rather than helpful.




2016-01-29 18:15 GMT-05:00, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Elizabeth,
>
> First of all, NVDA can work with different voices.  Second of
> all, you don't know if you can understand the default voice or
> not unless you've worked with it a while to acclimatize yourself.
> You could of course use another screen reader, but the other's
> aren't Free like NVDA.  You might even be able to put Jaws on a
> thumbdrive if you have a licence already, you'd have to check
> with the manufacturer.
>
> I'm not sure what you think you're going to do if you don't want
> to learn Braille and you don't want to use technology.  Those are
> the ways blind people have of being literate.  At some point, you
> have to use one if you're going to go to school or work.  Maybe
> there are other choices, but I don't know of them, and I assume
> you don't either or you wouldn't be asking.  I don't know why
> you're so hostile to Braille, but it's worth pointing out that
> you don't have to use Braille as efficiently as a sighted person
> uses print in order to organize your thoughts for an essay and
> then be able to read it to your scribe instead of doing it all in
> your head.  We're not talking about you reading Braille other
> people have produced hear, so you could write in uncontracted
> braille if you wanted and memorizing the contractions is part of
> your problem.
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:54:02 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
> Advice
>
> Hello Karl,
>
> I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as
> though no one
> is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with
> NVDA, and
> no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability
> to
> understand the voice that comes with NVDA.
>
> And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use
> it in
> class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in
> my life I do
> not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read
> and
> understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at
> the same
> rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not
> going to
> happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is
> the only
> answer.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl
> Martin
> Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
> Advice
>
> Dear Elizabeth,
>
> You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you
> won't help
> for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college
> though,
> learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley
> course or
> whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be
> something you
> have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, but you
> have to
> actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments.
> One thing you
> could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish
> the class
> in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to
> do though.
> You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the
> next test, and
> maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if
> you explained
> it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally.  I
> understand not
> wanting to learn new technology, I really do.  I hate it, and
> I've never
> been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to
> function
> effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything.  I
> think you
> might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a
> smartphone work
> though.  Androids are known for taking some time to figure out,
> but Iphone's
> are fairly intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or
> two because I
> couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need
> is to type
> your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to
> your professor
> or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your
> answers to DSS
> and have them print them.  Learning how to do that much really
> wouldn't be
> very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with
> technology as I do
> can manage it.  I really hope you can find a way to do well on
> your exam!
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
> Advice
>
> Hello All,
>
> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I
> really
> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do
> is tell me
> that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the
> problems in my
> life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will
> probably
> never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in
> a testing
> situation.
>
> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not
> work for
> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to
> use it good
> enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
> I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick,
> so I am not
> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on
> it.
>
> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never
> used it
> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So
> I am not
> quite sure how this option would work for me.
>
> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the
> vocational
> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does
> not do much
> of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been
> willing to
> help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this
> class. But
> it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources,
> and capacity
> to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
>
> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did
> not have the
> money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just
> feels like
> this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I
> am never
> going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>
> Elizabeth
>
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