[nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Sun Jan 31 14:21:03 UTC 2016

I do not believe the law is to blame but rather enforcement of the law and
lack of understanding on the part of people not educated about the law's
existence and how important the stipulations are.
Just my thoughts. Not wanting to argue, just stating my views.

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:26 AM, wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> wrote:

> Well do not be shocked, even 25 now 26 years after ADA. Good luck. That
> law was useless for blind people.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 29, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Elizabeth,
> >
> > I'm sorry to hear of your struggles in class. Like you, I took my exams
> with a computer with jaws in the testing center.
> > In fact I do not think the testing center allowed
> > personal laptops. I also agree that having a laptop is a privelege not a
> right.
> > You are right  that not all students including blind students can have
> laptops.
> > Also, I know of blind students who were older and lost vision who could
> not use braille effectively for notes or exams.
> > I love braille and use it along with large print, but I also realize
> that not everyone can learn braille to use it efficiently for class or
> employment.
> > You are not alone in such circumstances.
> > So, there are definitely students who went to college without portable
> technology or many financial resources and without the skill of braille.
> > I know some of them, but they are not on this list.
> >
> > Its rather appalling the school fails to provide you that accomodation.
> > I am just shocked to still find stories of this in the 21st century. As
> Elif said, the school should not expect students to have laptops.
> > They do not in fact expect this. Schools have computer labs and
> computers at their testing centers for students to use. As a student, it is
> your right to be able to use a pc with accomodations. I'd definitely go up
> the chain of command and fight this.
> >
> > Do you want a laptop? I think I might have some resources for free or
> reduced price ones for blind people.
> > My dss offices only provided readers and a computer with jaws for the
> exams, so I know what you mean about inflexibility.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I have some ideas.
> > You will need to work something out with the professor getting it
> approved by dss or withdraw from the class.
> >
> > So here are ideas.
> > If you can read large print, you can jot down notes for the exam. Then
> > once your thoughts are together, you can dictate it to  a reader.
> >
> > Other options are to take the exam orally.
> > Arrange a time to take the exam with the professor or their TA. This may
> feel intimidating to do it with the professor, so another idea is to have
> another faculty member administer the exam to you.
> > I've done this on a few ocasions for short answer exams and it works
> okay.
> > The instructor just reads back what I wrote after each question.
> > Another idea for oral exams is that you have the professor record the
> questions and you record your answers. Many colleges have old fashioned
> tape recorders  around or digital recorders. Technology labs or even the
> library may have equipment.
> > Have you asked different departments about the possibility of lending
> you technology?
> > I would think they have something around.
> >
> > Finally, an option is to take home the exam if the professor lets you do
> that.
> > I've actually done this a few times. In fact my professor suggested it.
> She said all the students would do in class was that essay, and she saw no
> reason for me to have to come in and do it at the testing center.
> > So, she let me take it at home. There was no way to really cheat, but
> she did say I was on my honor not to use outside resources or  other people.
> >
> > If no accomodations are approved and you cannot take the exams, then
> taking an incomplete
> > seems like the best option rather than having a failing grade.
> >
> > I'm sorry to hear things look so hopeless. Definitely complain to the
> school.
> >
> > Ashley
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:50 AM
> > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> > Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
> > Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone being
> > upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. It seems
> as
> > though people on here were offended by my response to this message.
> However,
> > from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom
> seems
> > to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not everyone can
> > afford a computer that they can take to class.
> >
> > I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take
> with
> > me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about failing my
> > exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took classes
> > before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for answering
> > short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, it
> appears
> > as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. The
> college
> > is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of
> the
> > time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about
> the
> > status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there
> > always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as
> to
> > what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail
> my
> > class because of a lack of accommodations.
> >
> > So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write out
> my
> > answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on my exam?
> My
> > college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide and
> > approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my professor,
> she
> > will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the disabilities
> > office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the
> disabilities
> > office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel
> like
> > I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.
> >
> > It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities office
> > provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for me when
> > answering short answer questions on exams because I find it rather
> difficult
> > to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it to
> someone
> > else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in this
> > situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very well. But
> > since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, and the
> > college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the computers on
> > campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to
> what to
> > do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be
> > facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
> >
> > I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated
> when
> > I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to them from
> > their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets privilege of
> > receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and not
> everyone
> > has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive services
> > from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just
> find it
> > rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited amount
> of
> > resources and a lack of support from other people.
> >
> > Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages to
> the
> > email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really frustrated by
> > life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure out what
> to
> > do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and that I can
> > never really get the support I need from others when I need it. The NFB
> has
> > never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical that I
> will
> > be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I
> would
> > at least give it a try.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Elizabeth
> >
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