[nabs-l] 7 plus blind or low vision students facing discrimination at NIU... Please help!!!!!

Carly Mihalakis carlymih at comcast.net
Thu Nov 24 02:55:34 UTC 2016


Anna,

Bring on the humor! A real tension defuser, trust me.
CarAt 11:28 PM 11/21/2016, you wrote:
>It is because, the program doing the teaching 
>probably has no one with visual impairment in 
>it's administration, typical story... Key 
>decision-makers thinking they know what is best. The ADA sucks in this regard.
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Nov 20, 2016, at 19:02, Zachary N. 
> Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > I didn't even count you in my initial 
> headcount so that makes eight now! Yes I 
> do  remember you!!!  I hope to call you soon so 
> maybe we can put something together about it
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver
> >
> >> On Nov 20, 2016, at 16:02, AlyssaHenson via 
> NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Zach,
> >> You probably remember me as i am one of the 
> people that showed you around. I experienced 
> similar difficulties with the classes you 
> mentioned.  I also had issues with the advanced 
> Braille course which you would be taking in the 
> spring. I'm glad someone is finally taking 
> steps to address the issues.  I wish I would 
> have done the same. You can feel free to email 
> me off list if you have any additional questions regarding my experience.
> >> Warm regards,
> >> Alyssa
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Zachary N. 
> Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Good morning federationists,
> >>> Please forgive me in advance, this is going 
> to be a long email. I am disappointed to inform 
> you that 7 students, including myself, are 
> facing or have faced  discrimination by a 
> program at a university whose aim is to teach 
> blind students. Perhaps there are more that I 
> don’t know of, and if this is the case, it 
> would be great to know of their 
> experiences.  The program is in the school of 
> special education at Northern Illinois 
> University main campus in DeKalb, West side 
> Chicago, Illinois. There are 7 confirme cases 
> of discrimination and/or difficulty to complete 
> assigned coursework in the visual disabilities 
> program, between the programs at both the 
> undergraduate and graduate level. What’s more 
> disappointing to me is that in this semester 
> alone, 4 blind students including myself have 
> elected to change our majors because of the difficulties we face.
> >>> Obviously for me to be writing these 
> statistics something is terribly wrong here
So 
> I should explain further that the reasons 
> compiled or most noted are lack of adaptation 
> by course instructors, discouragement by some 
> instructors for blind people to participate 
> actively and fully, lack of knowledge by 
> sighted colleagues of how to help the blind 
> students in the class, lack of teaching proper 
> cane/guide dog use skills early, and problems 
> with conflicting philosophy. As far as I know, 
> 3 of the 3 students who have already changed 
> their major and started down a new career path 
> have not sought assistance from resources at 
> Northern Illinois University or the National 
> Federation of the Blind, and the same can be 
> said of 3 of the 4 students making the 
> transition over the upcoming holiday vacation. 
> Some have directly told me that they decided to 
> leave quietly, thinking their voices wouldn’t 
> be heard and that they would not be able to 
> make a difference with just 1 person. They 
> encouraged me to do the same, and although I’m 
> changing majors for the sole reason of keeping 
> my high grade point average that way going into 
> the latter part of my undergraduate career, I 
> am not leaving without making a lasting impact 
> on the visual disabilities program
and I need 
> your help. 6 of the 7 students do not know the 
> National Federation of the Blind as far as I 
> know, and they are strictly reliant on the 
> disability resource center and the department 
> of vocational rehabilitation of Illinois. Yours truly however knows all 3.
> >>> The first issue, and the one I find of most 
> importance
is the discrimination that blind 
> students are faced with in this program at both 
> the undergraduate and graduate level. I am in 
> my 1st block of classes—introduction to 
> teaching students with visual impairments, 
> introduction to Orientation and Mobility, 
> Introduction to Braille which I tested out of, 
> and The Anatomy and Pathology of the Eye. jOf 
> those 3 classes where I am participating, I 
> know that the hardest one for me is 
> Introduction to teaching students with visual 
> impairments. The class is to teach students to 
> develop and teach lessons according to EDTPA 
> standards. In this class, there are 2 obvious 
> red flags. The first is its sequence in the 
> program, when students are concurrently 
> enrolled in Introduction to Braille. Most 
> sighted students—and a few blind students—were 
> not proficient at Braille and taking the 2 
> classes at the same time. This has an automatic 
> drawback in my mind, the sighted students have 
> no idea yet about adaptive tech or Braille and 
> the program is about teaching blind students. 
> This is not so hard to overcome because they 
> will learn the skills in due time,  although 
> I’ve had several sighted students approach me 
> regarding this class apologizing to me that 
> they don’t know how to adapt their lessons, 
> which I forgave them but told them some very 
> simple strategies to adapt with little to no 
> stress for them. I have put 2 other blind 
> students in the class in charge also of talking 
> to other sighted classmates, but they gave up 
> after only a few tries and no success. The 
> other red flag is the more major one in my 
> mind, it stares everyone in the face during 
> each lesson plan. I copied and pasted the 
> section of the instructions of each lesson I 
> refer to below, and it clearly spells out 
> discrimination. “...You are pre-teaching this 
> so that the student is more prepared for the 
> class discussion and activities.  Select one or 
> more CONCEPTS that will help the student 
> understand the content more fully.  The student 
> is a print reader and all materials must be in 
> print.  We will assume that you would provide 
> appropriate modifications tailored to the 
> student’s vision skills determined through 
> functional vision and learning media 
> assessments.  For this exercise, however, use 
> standard print materials but it is fair to 
> address any concepts that you think would be 
> particularly difficult for a student.” This 
> spells out that NO blind students can be 
> participating as students in the lesson, they 
> can only participate as teachers. Furthermore 
> it makes the assumption that the students know 
> how to perform assessments to determine usable 
> vision, and that has not even been taught. It 
> is important to note that many sighted students 
> want to teach the blind students in the class, 
> (I.E.) the blind students in the class could be 
> the blind students in the lesson scenario. Also 
> of importance to note is that the groups of 
> students consist of 3 to 4 students, and it is 
> 1 to 1 ratio of teacher and student so the 
> other students just sit and observe. It is also 
> hard to sift through the CCSS standards, and 
> half the time the teacher reports back to me 
> that I didn’t do the best standard for my 
> assignment. There are other various reasons for 
> point deduction, but I feel that I am doing the 
> best I can from the instruction given. There 
> are also video observations of classrooms for 
> undergraduate students, which is second to 
> being able to observe a live classroom like the 
> graduate students do. This is less of a concern 
> to me, although it would be much more 
> beneficial if every student had the same 
> experience—even if they were partnered up to go 
> on observations. Across other classes
 in 
> Orientation and Mobility, except for the blind 
> students, nobody is using a cane or guide dog. 
> An overwhelming majority of the class is 
> lecture, and when we are out on travel, it’s 
> all done under blindfold and teaching sighted 
> guide and protective techniques with hands at 
> different positions—which is agreeably 
> important but far from the comprehensive skills 
> that need to be covered to make it effective 
> and safe. I’ve learned that there is an 
> advanced O&M class open to graduates only that 
> teaches cane travel skills, meaning that all 
> the undergraduates get is the basic class 
> without the cane. Also there are major 
> philosophy differences from what I know to what 
> is being taught in that class. As 2 examples, 
> students are instructed that it is not safe or 
> responsible to leave a blind student unattended 
> when they step away to check in to a hotel or 
> restaurant, and that blind people should use 
> paratransit services or sit immediately behind 
> the operator of the public transit vehicle in 
> the priority seating area, making others move 
> if need be. One particular lesson that had the 
> sighted students wandering around lost, 
> sounding very similar to #HowEyeSeeIt earlier 
> this year was learning their way around a 
> grocery store under blindfold while holding the 
> elbow of another classmate. This included going 
> to and from the store using public 
> transportation.  Obviously the first part could 
> not apply to me exactly as instructed, and I 
> questioned the legality of guiding a sighted 
> student off of campus with no cane, sighting 
> the fact that I could be held liable for 
> someone who had no experience in the proper 
> techniques if they were in any way hurt or 
> whatever. I ended up instructing as I was 
> taught during my training at the Colorado 
> Center for the Blind and the sighted student 
> traveled to and from the store without 
> blindfold. I got an additional opportunity to 
> work with another student who wanted to see how 
> a compitent blind person travels. But this is 
> highly unfair to blind and sighted people alike 
> because this not the way anyone would learn to 
> get around the store. The lesson was that the 
> blind partner would be able to walk into a 
> store and grab something off the shelf if the 
> sighted person show them how to get there and 
> to the specific item. I feel this is not a fair 
> lesson because items’ locations may change and 
> this leaves the blind person to have to try and 
> try again to find an item that was moved. In 
> anatomy of the eye, the instructor is doing 
> their best to talk about the functions of 
> everything, but a good tactual representation 
> of everything would make it make much more 
> sense. We dissected a cow’s eye which gave me 
> at least a little better understanding, but my 
> partner did most of the work even though I had 
> my hands all over the area where the eye was 
> being dicected. The same instructor teaches O&M 
> and anatomy and is a really nice person but my 
> final comment about them is they adjust scores 
> up so it doesn’t accurately reflect how a 
> student is doing, regardless of if they are passing or failing.
> >>> I have heard from people that have 
> continued passed these introductory classes 
> that in clinical, they are having issues 
> including but not limited to not being able to 
> actively participate because of lack of access 
> to material in a format that can be 
> comprehended. I also have experienced their 
> other issue, the instructors are always saying 
> to have the students use whatever remaining 
> vision they have or to rely on their resource 
> teacher. I do not know a blind student in the 
> undergraduate or graduate level who has 
> successfully graduated the visual disabilities 
> program at Northern Illinois University.
> >>> It was my goal since 2013 when someone 
> forwarded info about a scholarship to attend 
> NIU to the National Association of Blind 
> Students to get to Chicago asap so I could 
> learn how to teach students like me in a 
> variety of environments. I kept looking for 
> ways to go to Chicago starting during my CCB 
> training, but my parents wanted me to stay in 
> Colorado because it is nearer to where they 
> live. So I compromised and started my 
> undergraduate work in Greeley at University of 
> Northern Colorado, NIU still on the forefront 
> of my mind. In April of last year, I received 
> an invitation to the spring seminar of the 
> Illinois Association of Blind Students because 
> of my membership on Illinois NFB lists, and I 
> jumped on the cheapest flight I could find. I 
> went out a day early to go to NIU and explore, 
> and 1 of the 7 students I gave mention to 
> showed me around a little but that barely 
> scratched the surface. In the middle of October 
> of 2015 was when I declared to everyone that I 
> could obtain a undergraduate degree at NIU as 
> what I wanted to more quickly advance to a 
> masters in quicker time than I could get it in 
> Greeley, sighting the fact that an 
> undergraduate TVI program didn’t exist in 
> Greeley. I jumped on the cheapest plane, toured 
> around Chicago with a friend for a few days, 
> and enrolled in NIU the last day before I went 
> back to Denver  I was highly impressed with the 
> disability resource center’s services, in 
> particular the fact that they told me they have 
> an on sight Braille transcriber and an 
> electronic text coordinator who would get me 
> all the materials I needed only by me 
> submitting a receipt and making a simple 
> request in person or online including the proof 
> of purchase. It sounded too good to be true, 
> but I quickly found out that this disability 
> resource center really knows their stuff and 
> have been greatful to work with them since. 
> Speaking of them, my case manager put me in 
> contact with some of the people that are higher 
> up in the department and is trying to help me 
> troubleshoot as best as they can, but they said 
> it’s more up to the student to do that and that 
> DRC would be there to assist along the way as 
> necessary. I made it through my 1st winter in 
> Chicago with a 3.4 and went into this semester 
> on a good grade from a summer class.
> >>> Only 2 airlines leaving Chicago serve the 
> airport closest to my home. I flew through 
> Denver on United on my way home yesterday 
> marking the start of Thanksgiving break, and as 
> I got on my connecting flight and the safety 
> video began, I had time to reflect on 
> everything to myself and I really missed my 
> times in Denver and thought for a little bit of 
> going  back. Walking outside and up the jet 
> bridge to get my hour’s long flight home from 
> there was what really got me thinking. But I 
> knew I couldn’t easily switch again and I 
> quickly convinced myself of it, with the number 
> of friends I made around Chicago and the 
> promises of being able to be done a year sooner 
> in my new major of rehabilitation services, 
> thereby getting me to my next adventure—Louisiana Tech University—sooner.
> >>> Thus said, I have a few question. Is there 
> anything NFBI or national can do to make it so 
> that the visual disabilities program doesn’t 
> discriminate against anyone in future or make 
> them feel “chased away”? Has anyone you know 
> graduated from there who is blind or low 
> vision? How about what would you recommend to 
> me and the other 3 students who are in the 
> midst of changing majors—did we do the right 
> thing? I am taken aback at how the program has 
> chosen to deal with blind and sighted students 
> alike and was surprised to hear it echoed 
> across many fronts this semester. Can the 
> federation step in and fight for us—or if not 
> us because it may be too late—other blind 
> people who have yet to enter the program? And 1 
> last question, did anyone around here get the 
> teaching certification another way and then 
> enter tech because that’s what I am now facing. 
> Even if I didn’t get it, I plan to be there in 
> due time for the rehabilitation teaching and 
> o&M programs. That limits the possibilities by 
> a third if I didn’t get a teaching degree 
> though, which makes me disappointed because I 
> thought I had it made at NIU.  Thank you for 
> bearing with me, and I really look forward to any feedback—legal or otherwise.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my Macbook Pro 13
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