[nabs-l] NABS-L Digest, Vol 130, Issue 21
Bryan Schulz
b.schulz at sbcglobal.net
Sun Aug 27 14:59:05 UTC 2017
hi,
I am catching this in digest mode.
thanks for your comments.
carl,
I wasn't complaining about the instructor providing training, the issue was
being a prick and saying figure it out for yourself and the special software
not being accessible!
Bryan
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1. A H instructor (Bryan Schulz)
2. Re: A H instructor (Karl Martin Adam)
3. Re: A H instructor (Kc9cpx)
4. Re: A H instructor (Justin Williams)
5. Re: A H instructor (Justin Williams)
6. Re: A H instructor (Justin Williams)
7. A Special Thank You Note (Matthew Gip)
8. Re: A H instructor (Ashley Bramlett)
9. Has anyone used the Kindle app on the BrailleNote Touch?
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 15:26:25 -0500
From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] A H instructor
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Hi,
I'd like opinions when would you mention the l word to a college.
That would be lawsuit.
Say you are brand new to using blackboard and mindtap that are mildly
accessible and you ask an instructor where to find the assignments and
quizzes in mindtap and the AH says figure it out for yourself!
The blackboard program turns out to be easy to navigate with jaws after you
get used to it but time is not a luxury with an eight week class.
When an instructor loads their blackboard on Saturday and class starts on
Monday and a major task is due on Wednesday and someone using jaws to
navigate the screens was only an after-thought, one can get behind from day
one.
Many hours wouldn't have been wasted if someone could have provided a crash
course for blackboard and days were wasted fumbling around in mindtap.
One course works well within mindtap and I found a list of assignments and
quizzes which we are required to complete but another course can't even be
started due to the mindtap screens and an instructor saying try another
browser and it works fine on my end, it must be your computer.
Thanks,
Bryan
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 16:59:30 -0400
From: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A H instructor
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It is not the job of instructors to provide technical support or
to teach you how to use course management systems. Suing the
college because an instructor doesn't do something that they know
nothing about and that is not part of their job is completely
inappropriate. You need to contact your school's IT department
if you're having trouble with technology, and they may well end
up sending you to the accessibility people at Blackboard and the
other company you mentioned. If after doing all that it turns
out the system isn't accessible, then it would be time to ask for
an accommodation like submitting your work through e-mail or
having a reader help you with the system.
HTH,
Karl
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Date sent: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 15:26:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A H instructor
Hi,
I'd like opinions when would you mention the l word to a college.
That would be lawsuit.
Say you are brand new to using blackboard and mindtap that are
mildly
accessible and you ask an instructor where to find the
assignments and
quizzes in mindtap and the AH says figure it out for yourself!
The blackboard program turns out to be easy to navigate with jaws
after you
get used to it but time is not a luxury with an eight week class.
When an instructor loads their blackboard on Saturday and class
starts on
Monday and a major task is due on Wednesday and someone using
jaws to
navigate the screens was only an after-thought, one can get
behind from day
one.
Many hours wouldn't have been wasted if someone could have
provided a crash
course for blackboard and days were wasted fumbling around in
mindtap.
One course works well within mindtap and I found a list of
assignments and
quizzes which we are required to complete but another course
can't even be
started due to the mindtap screens and an instructor saying try
another
browser and it works fine on my end, it must be your computer.
Thanks,
Bryan
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 16:40:37 -0500
From: Kc9cpx <kc9cpx at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A H instructor
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Lawsuit. Teachers are required by law and the ada to assist those with
disabilities.
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 26, 2017, at 3:26 PM, Bryan Schulz via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd like opinions when would you mention the l word to a college.
> That would be lawsuit.
>
> Say you are brand new to using blackboard and mindtap that are mildly
> accessible and you ask an instructor where to find the assignments and
> quizzes in mindtap and the AH says figure it out for yourself!
>
> The blackboard program turns out to be easy to navigate with jaws after
you
> get used to it but time is not a luxury with an eight week class.
> When an instructor loads their blackboard on Saturday and class starts on
> Monday and a major task is due on Wednesday and someone using jaws to
> navigate the screens was only an after-thought, one can get behind from
day
> one.
>
> Many hours wouldn't have been wasted if someone could have provided a
crash
> course for blackboard and days were wasted fumbling around in mindtap.
> One course works well within mindtap and I found a list of assignments and
> quizzes which we are required to complete but another course can't even be
> started due to the mindtap screens and an instructor saying try another
> browser and it works fine on my end, it must be your computer.
>
> Thanks,
> Bryan
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 17:51:00 -0400
From: "Justin Williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A H instructor
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Part of the accommodations should be the professor, or someone in the
disability office assisting you. the prof doesn't have to do it, but then
if he doesn't, the someone else at the university, maybe the office of
disability service, or anyone else sdoes. You can even get a rriend to help
you, but the college is ultimately responsible for accessibility, which
includes the ability to use blackboard as a jaws user.
Justin
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Lawsuit. Teachers are required by law and the ada to assist those with
disabilities.
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 26, 2017, at 3:26 PM, Bryan Schulz via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd like opinions when would you mention the l word to a college.
> That would be lawsuit.
>
> Say you are brand new to using blackboard and mindtap that are mildly
> accessible and you ask an instructor where to find the assignments and
> quizzes in mindtap and the AH says figure it out for yourself!
>
> The blackboard program turns out to be easy to navigate with jaws
> after you get used to it but time is not a luxury with an eight week
class.
> When an instructor loads their blackboard on Saturday and class starts
> on Monday and a major task is due on Wednesday and someone using jaws
> to navigate the screens was only an after-thought, one can get behind
> from day one.
>
> Many hours wouldn't have been wasted if someone could have provided a
> crash course for blackboard and days were wasted fumbling around in
mindtap.
> One course works well within mindtap and I found a list of assignments
> and quizzes which we are required to complete but another course can't
> even be started due to the mindtap screens and an instructor saying
> try another browser and it works fine on my end, it must be your computer.
>
> Thanks,
> Bryan
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 17:53:28 -0400
From: "Justin Williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A H instructor
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Not sure how much of a law suit that is. Did it affect yoru grade? You may
have an argument to be able to take the course over or something, or redo
assignments.
Justin
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Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A H instructor
It is not the job of instructors to provide technical support or to teach
you how to use course management systems. Suing the college because an
instructor doesn't do something that they know nothing about and that is not
part of their job is completely inappropriate. You need to contact your
school's IT department if you're having trouble with technology, and they
may well end up sending you to the accessibility people at Blackboard and
the other company you mentioned. If after doing all that it turns out the
system isn't accessible, then it would be time to ask for an accommodation
like submitting your work through e-mail or having a reader help you with
the system.
HTH,
Karl
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From: Bryan Schulz via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 15:26:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A H instructor
Hi,
I'd like opinions when would you mention the l word to a college.
That would be lawsuit.
Say you are brand new to using blackboard and mindtap that are mildly
accessible and you ask an instructor where to find the assignments and
quizzes in mindtap and the AH says figure it out for yourself!
The blackboard program turns out to be easy to navigate with jaws after you
get used to it but time is not a luxury with an eight week class.
When an instructor loads their blackboard on Saturday and class starts on
Monday and a major task is due on Wednesday and someone using jaws to
navigate the screens was only an after-thought, one can get behind from day
one.
Many hours wouldn't have been wasted if someone could have provided a crash
course for blackboard and days were wasted fumbling around in mindtap.
One course works well within mindtap and I found a list of assignments and
quizzes which we are required to complete but another course can't even be
started due to the mindtap screens and an instructor saying try another
browser and it works fine on my end, it must be your computer.
Thanks,
Bryan
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 17:57:23 -0400
From: "Justin Williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A H instructor
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As long as you put forth the effort, then someone should meet you where you
faulter. It doen't matter who, just as long as you have equal access.
Trying to learn a totally new system on the fly is difficult while trying to
get college work done. Unless my professor agreed to show me the blackboard
system, I'd have set up an appointment with the office of student
disabilities because their job is accommodations and accessibility.
Justin
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Subject: [nabs-l] A H instructor
Hi,
I'd like opinions when would you mention the l word to a college.
That would be lawsuit.
Say you are brand new to using blackboard and mindtap that are mildly
accessible and you ask an instructor where to find the assignments and
quizzes in mindtap and the AH says figure it out for yourself!
The blackboard program turns out to be easy to navigate with jaws after you
get used to it but time is not a luxury with an eight week class.
When an instructor loads their blackboard on Saturday and class starts on
Monday and a major task is due on Wednesday and someone using jaws to
navigate the screens was only an after-thought, one can get behind from day
one.
Many hours wouldn't have been wasted if someone could have provided a crash
course for blackboard and days were wasted fumbling around in mindtap.
One course works well within mindtap and I found a list of assignments and
quizzes which we are required to complete but another course can't even be
started due to the mindtap screens and an instructor saying try another
browser and it works fine on my end, it must be your computer.
Thanks,
Bryan
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 17:20:57 -0700
From: Matthew Gip <matthewhgip at gmail.com>
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Subject: [nabs-l] A Special Thank You Note
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Hello students!
As many of you are aware, being involved with outreach and recruitment can
be difficult, and at times, it can even be a little bit stressful. However,
when goals are met, there is a satisfying feeling inside of you that makes
you feel wonderful. The California Association of Blind Students has been
heading in the positive direction in building and increasing membership as
of late in helping to make our student division even stronger. I am pleased
to share with you all and announce that the CABS Twitter page just recently
reached 100 followers! I would like to thank Carla Scroggins and Cricket
Bidleman for giving me the privilege on assisting them with the social media
pages. Although, this is just the beginning... The movement of expanding our
division will continue in the right direction. Thank you to all of you for
helping to support the California Association of Blind Students snd
together, let's continue building the Federation!
If you hadn't already followed our Twitter page, our Twitter handle is
@NFB_CABS and the link is below where you can find all the latest news,
updates, and important information regarding CABS.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NFB_CABS
Best regards,
Matthew Gip
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 21:30:02 -0400
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A H instructor
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Exactly my sentaments too.
Justin you are right in that they need to provide an accessible platform and
teach students how to use it.
Many professors demo blackboard in class for students and show them what to
click on and go step by step.
If it turns out inaccessible after walking through it with your professor
or someone familiar with the tool, then an accomodation should be made for
you to complete your work.
Its unfortunate that it sounds like no one tried to assist Bryan. I think
all students, but particularly blind students, need to instruction in what
to do on blackboard. Its difficult because every professor is different and
puts different assignments in different folders. For instance, some
professors put assignment files in the assignments folder and others just
have a course documents folder.
So, you need direction as to where to click and what you are looking for.
Again most professors I've encountered in college will go over it. You
cannot see what they are doing, but you can hear thee step by step
instructions.
If you need more help, I'd say its your professor's responsibility to
assist. Go to office hours.
Ashley
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Cc: Justin Williams
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A H instructor
Part of the accommodations should be the professor, or someone in the
disability office assisting you. the prof doesn't have to do it, but then
if he doesn't, the someone else at the university, maybe the office of
disability service, or anyone else sdoes. You can even get a rriend to help
you, but the college is ultimately responsible for accessibility, which
includes the ability to use blackboard as a jaws user.
Justin
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From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kc9cpx via
NABS-L
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 5:41 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Kc9cpx <kc9cpx at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A H instructor
Lawsuit. Teachers are required by law and the ada to assist those with
disabilities.
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 26, 2017, at 3:26 PM, Bryan Schulz via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd like opinions when would you mention the l word to a college.
> That would be lawsuit.
>
> Say you are brand new to using blackboard and mindtap that are mildly
> accessible and you ask an instructor where to find the assignments and
> quizzes in mindtap and the AH says figure it out for yourself!
>
> The blackboard program turns out to be easy to navigate with jaws
> after you get used to it but time is not a luxury with an eight week
class.
> When an instructor loads their blackboard on Saturday and class starts
> on Monday and a major task is due on Wednesday and someone using jaws
> to navigate the screens was only an after-thought, one can get behind
> from day one.
>
> Many hours wouldn't have been wasted if someone could have provided a
> crash course for blackboard and days were wasted fumbling around in
mindtap.
> One course works well within mindtap and I found a list of assignments
> and quizzes which we are required to complete but another course can't
> even be started due to the mindtap screens and an instructor saying
> try another browser and it works fine on my end, it must be your computer.
>
> Thanks,
> Bryan
>
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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 23:22:58 -0500
From: sophie trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anyone used the Kindle app on the BrailleNote
Touch?
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Hello NABS Friends,
I was wondering if anyone has experience with the Kindle app on the
BrailleNote Touch. I just got my BN Touch a few weeks ago, and some of my
school books are on Kindle. When I'm reading in the Kindle app, and also
when I'm looking at PDF's on the Touch, it only displays one page at a time.
This makes reading using the app very awkward and clunky, much less than on
the iPhone, which flips pages automatically. Is there an easy way to flip
pages, or to just read continuously using the BN Touch? Any help will be
appreciated.
Best wishes,
Sophie
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