[nabs-l] NABS-L Digest, Vol 130, Issue 21
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Going to private tutoring? That might be helpful
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> On Aug 27, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Bryan Schulz via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> hi,
> I am catching this in digest mode.
> thanks for your comments.
>
> carl,
> I wasn't complaining about the instructor providing training, the issue was
> being a prick and saying figure it out for yourself and the special software
> not being accessible!
> Bryan
>
>
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> 1. A H instructor (Bryan Schulz)
> 2. Re: A H instructor (Karl Martin Adam)
> 3. Re: A H instructor (Kc9cpx)
> 4. Re: A H instructor (Justin Williams)
> 5. Re: A H instructor (Justin Williams)
> 6. Re: A H instructor (Justin Williams)
> 7. A Special Thank You Note (Matthew Gip)
> 8. Re: A H instructor (Ashley Bramlett)
> 9. Has anyone used the Kindle app on the BrailleNote Touch?
> (sophie trist)
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 15:26:25 -0500
> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] A H instructor
> Message-ID: <004c01d31ea9$99570680$cc051380$@sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd like opinions when would you mention the l word to a college.
> That would be lawsuit.
>
> Say you are brand new to using blackboard and mindtap that are mildly
> accessible and you ask an instructor where to find the assignments and
> quizzes in mindtap and the AH says figure it out for yourself!
>
> The blackboard program turns out to be easy to navigate with jaws after you
> get used to it but time is not a luxury with an eight week class.
> When an instructor loads their blackboard on Saturday and class starts on
> Monday and a major task is due on Wednesday and someone using jaws to
> navigate the screens was only an after-thought, one can get behind from day
> one.
>
> Many hours wouldn't have been wasted if someone could have provided a crash
> course for blackboard and days were wasted fumbling around in mindtap.
> One course works well within mindtap and I found a list of assignments and
> quizzes which we are required to complete but another course can't even be
> started due to the mindtap screens and an instructor saying try another
> browser and it works fine on my end, it must be your computer.
>
> Thanks,
> Bryan
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 16:59:30 -0400
> From: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A H instructor
> Message-ID: <59a1e158.a828c80a.e97f0.9d23 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> It is not the job of instructors to provide technical support or
> to teach you how to use course management systems. Suing the
> college because an instructor doesn't do something that they know
> nothing about and that is not part of their job is completely
> inappropriate. You need to contact your school's IT department
> if you're having trouble with technology, and they may well end
> up sending you to the accessibility people at Blackboard and the
> other company you mentioned. If after doing all that it turns
> out the system isn't accessible, then it would be time to ask for
> an accommodation like submitting your work through e-mail or
> having a reader help you with the system.
>
> HTH,
> Karl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bryan Schulz via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 15:26:25 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] A H instructor
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd like opinions when would you mention the l word to a college.
> That would be lawsuit.
>
> Say you are brand new to using blackboard and mindtap that are
> mildly
> accessible and you ask an instructor where to find the
> assignments and
> quizzes in mindtap and the AH says figure it out for yourself!
>
> The blackboard program turns out to be easy to navigate with jaws
> after you
> get used to it but time is not a luxury with an eight week class.
> When an instructor loads their blackboard on Saturday and class
> starts on
> Monday and a major task is due on Wednesday and someone using
> jaws to
> navigate the screens was only an after-thought, one can get
> behind from day
> one.
>
> Many hours wouldn't have been wasted if someone could have
> provided a crash
> course for blackboard and days were wasted fumbling around in
> mindtap.
> One course works well within mindtap and I found a list of
> assignments and
> quizzes which we are required to complete but another course
> can't even be
> started due to the mindtap screens and an instructor saying try
> another
> browser and it works fine on my end, it must be your computer.
>
> Thanks,
> Bryan
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 16:40:37 -0500
> From: Kc9cpx <kc9cpx at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A H instructor
> Message-ID: <91C69B41-64B1-4314-AA77-79DA96E0AC8B at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Lawsuit. Teachers are required by law and the ada to assist those with
> disabilities.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>>> On Aug 26, 2017, at 3:26 PM, Bryan Schulz via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd like opinions when would you mention the l word to a college.
>> That would be lawsuit.
>>
>> Say you are brand new to using blackboard and mindtap that are mildly
>> accessible and you ask an instructor where to find the assignments and
>> quizzes in mindtap and the AH says figure it out for yourself!
>>
>> The blackboard program turns out to be easy to navigate with jaws after
> you
>> get used to it but time is not a luxury with an eight week class.
>> When an instructor loads their blackboard on Saturday and class starts on
>> Monday and a major task is due on Wednesday and someone using jaws to
>> navigate the screens was only an after-thought, one can get behind from
> day
>> one.
>>
>> Many hours wouldn't have been wasted if someone could have provided a
> crash
>> course for blackboard and days were wasted fumbling around in mindtap.
>> One course works well within mindtap and I found a list of assignments and
>> quizzes which we are required to complete but another course can't even be
>> started due to the mindtap screens and an instructor saying try another
>> browser and it works fine on my end, it must be your computer.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bryan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 17:51:00 -0400
> From: "Justin Williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A H instructor
> Message-ID: <00e201d31eb5$68501930$38f04b90$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Part of the accommodations should be the professor, or someone in the
> disability office assisting you. the prof doesn't have to do it, but then
> if he doesn't, the someone else at the university, maybe the office of
> disability service, or anyone else sdoes. You can even get a rriend to help
> you, but the college is ultimately responsible for accessibility, which
> includes the ability to use blackboard as a jaws user.
> Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kc9cpx via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 5:41 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kc9cpx <kc9cpx at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A H instructor
>
> Lawsuit. Teachers are required by law and the ada to assist those with
> disabilities.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>>> On Aug 26, 2017, at 3:26 PM, Bryan Schulz via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd like opinions when would you mention the l word to a college.
>> That would be lawsuit.
>>
>> Say you are brand new to using blackboard and mindtap that are mildly
>> accessible and you ask an instructor where to find the assignments and
>> quizzes in mindtap and the AH says figure it out for yourself!
>>
>> The blackboard program turns out to be easy to navigate with jaws
>> after you get used to it but time is not a luxury with an eight week
> class.
>> When an instructor loads their blackboard on Saturday and class starts
>> on Monday and a major task is due on Wednesday and someone using jaws
>> to navigate the screens was only an after-thought, one can get behind
>> from day one.
>>
>> Many hours wouldn't have been wasted if someone could have provided a
>> crash course for blackboard and days were wasted fumbling around in
> mindtap.
>> One course works well within mindtap and I found a list of assignments
>> and quizzes which we are required to complete but another course can't
>> even be started due to the mindtap screens and an instructor saying
>> try another browser and it works fine on my end, it must be your computer.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bryan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 17:53:28 -0400
> From: "Justin Williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A H instructor
> Message-ID: <00ec01d31eb5$c0be30c0$423a9240$@gmail.com>
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>
> Not sure how much of a law suit that is. Did it affect yoru grade? You may
> have an argument to be able to take the course over or something, or redo
> assignments.
> Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
> Adam via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 5:00 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A H instructor
>
> It is not the job of instructors to provide technical support or to teach
> you how to use course management systems. Suing the college because an
> instructor doesn't do something that they know nothing about and that is not
> part of their job is completely inappropriate. You need to contact your
> school's IT department if you're having trouble with technology, and they
> may well end up sending you to the accessibility people at Blackboard and
> the other company you mentioned. If after doing all that it turns out the
> system isn't accessible, then it would be time to ask for an accommodation
> like submitting your work through e-mail or having a reader help you with
> the system.
>
> HTH,
> Karl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bryan Schulz via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 15:26:25 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] A H instructor
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd like opinions when would you mention the l word to a college.
> That would be lawsuit.
>
> Say you are brand new to using blackboard and mindtap that are mildly
> accessible and you ask an instructor where to find the assignments and
> quizzes in mindtap and the AH says figure it out for yourself!
>
> The blackboard program turns out to be easy to navigate with jaws after you
> get used to it but time is not a luxury with an eight week class.
> When an instructor loads their blackboard on Saturday and class starts on
> Monday and a major task is due on Wednesday and someone using jaws to
> navigate the screens was only an after-thought, one can get behind from day
> one.
>
> Many hours wouldn't have been wasted if someone could have provided a crash
> course for blackboard and days were wasted fumbling around in mindtap.
> One course works well within mindtap and I found a list of assignments and
> quizzes which we are required to complete but another course can't even be
> started due to the mindtap screens and an instructor saying try another
> browser and it works fine on my end, it must be your computer.
>
> Thanks,
> Bryan
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 17:57:23 -0400
> From: "Justin Williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A H instructor
> Message-ID: <010201d31eb6$4cd3b3a0$e67b1ae0$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> As long as you put forth the effort, then someone should meet you where you
> faulter. It doen't matter who, just as long as you have equal access.
> Trying to learn a totally new system on the fly is difficult while trying to
> get college work done. Unless my professor agreed to show me the blackboard
> system, I'd have set up an appointment with the office of student
> disabilities because their job is accommodations and accessibility.
> Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 4:26 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [nabs-l] A H instructor
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd like opinions when would you mention the l word to a college.
> That would be lawsuit.
>
> Say you are brand new to using blackboard and mindtap that are mildly
> accessible and you ask an instructor where to find the assignments and
> quizzes in mindtap and the AH says figure it out for yourself!
>
> The blackboard program turns out to be easy to navigate with jaws after you
> get used to it but time is not a luxury with an eight week class.
> When an instructor loads their blackboard on Saturday and class starts on
> Monday and a major task is due on Wednesday and someone using jaws to
> navigate the screens was only an after-thought, one can get behind from day
> one.
>
> Many hours wouldn't have been wasted if someone could have provided a crash
> course for blackboard and days were wasted fumbling around in mindtap.
> One course works well within mindtap and I found a list of assignments and
> quizzes which we are required to complete but another course can't even be
> started due to the mindtap screens and an instructor saying try another
> browser and it works fine on my end, it must be your computer.
>
> Thanks,
> Bryan
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 17:20:57 -0700
> From: Matthew Gip <matthewhgip at gmail.com>
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] A Special Thank You Note
> Message-ID: <CBD809DC-3A51-41A7-B2D8-3AD2BD010E1A at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hello students!
>
> As many of you are aware, being involved with outreach and recruitment can
> be difficult, and at times, it can even be a little bit stressful. However,
> when goals are met, there is a satisfying feeling inside of you that makes
> you feel wonderful. The California Association of Blind Students has been
> heading in the positive direction in building and increasing membership as
> of late in helping to make our student division even stronger. I am pleased
> to share with you all and announce that the CABS Twitter page just recently
> reached 100 followers! I would like to thank Carla Scroggins and Cricket
> Bidleman for giving me the privilege on assisting them with the social media
> pages. Although, this is just the beginning... The movement of expanding our
> division will continue in the right direction. Thank you to all of you for
> helping to support the California Association of Blind Students snd
> together, let's continue building the Federation!
> If you hadn't already followed our Twitter page, our Twitter handle is
> @NFB_CABS and the link is below where you can find all the latest news,
> updates, and important information regarding CABS.
> https://mobile.twitter.com/NFB_CABS
>
> Best regards,
> Matthew Gip
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 21:30:02 -0400
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A H instructor
> Message-ID: <EB49F374F8F747E8946ECC39B7D48A67 at OwnerPC>
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> reply-type=original
>
> Exactly my sentaments too.
> Justin you are right in that they need to provide an accessible platform and
>
> teach students how to use it.
> Many professors demo blackboard in class for students and show them what to
> click on and go step by step.
> If it turns out inaccessible after walking through it with your professor
> or someone familiar with the tool, then an accomodation should be made for
> you to complete your work.
> Its unfortunate that it sounds like no one tried to assist Bryan. I think
> all students, but particularly blind students, need to instruction in what
> to do on blackboard. Its difficult because every professor is different and
> puts different assignments in different folders. For instance, some
> professors put assignment files in the assignments folder and others just
> have a course documents folder.
> So, you need direction as to where to click and what you are looking for.
> Again most professors I've encountered in college will go over it. You
> cannot see what they are doing, but you can hear thee step by step
> instructions.
> If you need more help, I'd say its your professor's responsibility to
> assist. Go to office hours.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin Williams via NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 5:51 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Cc: Justin Williams
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A H instructor
>
> Part of the accommodations should be the professor, or someone in the
> disability office assisting you. the prof doesn't have to do it, but then
> if he doesn't, the someone else at the university, maybe the office of
> disability service, or anyone else sdoes. You can even get a rriend to help
> you, but the college is ultimately responsible for accessibility, which
> includes the ability to use blackboard as a jaws user.
> Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kc9cpx via
> NABS-L
> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 5:41 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kc9cpx <kc9cpx at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A H instructor
>
> Lawsuit. Teachers are required by law and the ada to assist those with
> disabilities.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>>> On Aug 26, 2017, at 3:26 PM, Bryan Schulz via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd like opinions when would you mention the l word to a college.
>> That would be lawsuit.
>>
>> Say you are brand new to using blackboard and mindtap that are mildly
>> accessible and you ask an instructor where to find the assignments and
>> quizzes in mindtap and the AH says figure it out for yourself!
>>
>> The blackboard program turns out to be easy to navigate with jaws
>> after you get used to it but time is not a luxury with an eight week
> class.
>> When an instructor loads their blackboard on Saturday and class starts
>> on Monday and a major task is due on Wednesday and someone using jaws
>> to navigate the screens was only an after-thought, one can get behind
>> from day one.
>>
>> Many hours wouldn't have been wasted if someone could have provided a
>> crash course for blackboard and days were wasted fumbling around in
> mindtap.
>> One course works well within mindtap and I found a list of assignments
>> and quizzes which we are required to complete but another course can't
>> even be started due to the mindtap screens and an instructor saying
>> try another browser and it works fine on my end, it must be your computer.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bryan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NABS-L mailing list
>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 23:22:58 -0500
> From: sophie trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Has anyone used the Kindle app on the BrailleNote
> Touch?
> Message-ID: <59a2492b.2922c80a.87ce6.dcf1 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hello NABS Friends,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has experience with the Kindle app on the
> BrailleNote Touch. I just got my BN Touch a few weeks ago, and some of my
> school books are on Kindle. When I'm reading in the Kindle app, and also
> when I'm looking at PDF's on the Touch, it only displays one page at a time.
> This makes reading using the app very awkward and clunky, much less than on
> the iPhone, which flips pages automatically. Is there an easy way to flip
> pages, or to just read continuously using the BN Touch? Any help will be
> appreciated.
>
> Best wishes,
> Sophie
>
> ------------------------------
>
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