[nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Sun Mar 12 02:22:39 UTC 2017

Hi Elizabeth,

Re: "nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use Braille in
a college-level math class"

I can feel the frustration and pain in your post. It must be difficult
navigating college and blindness at the same time. Although I am not an
older student, I can say it's never too late to learn alternative
techniques.

Jen

spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hello Vejas,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my message. I agree with
everything you mention in your email. However, the current personnel of my
college disabilities office does not necessarily agree that my reader needs
to be proficient in math in order to be a reader for math. I have not been
successful in arguing for the use of my own readers instead of the readers
they assign to me from the disabilities office either. 

Since I do not know Braille well enough to use in a college level math
class, nor do I believe I will ever have the Braille skills to use Braille
in a college level math class, I do not know how to gain equal access to the
course materials required for my math classes besides the use of a reader
who is proficient in reading math. Therefore, I am looking for credible
sources regarding the definition of a qualified reader as this is the term
that is used in the Americans With Disabilities Act as a reasonable
accommodation.

Right now I feel as though the disabilities office is simply putting up
roadblocks that are only preventing me from being able to use the
accommodations I need to successfully complete my math requirements required
for my degree and transfer requirements. And so now I need to go write the
complaint form that I need to file within my college so maybe I might be
able to receive the accommodations I need to receive equal access to the
course materials required for my math classes.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

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From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via NABS-L
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 6:05 PM
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Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hi Elizabeth,
I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "qualified" 
reader"-I have learned that there are volunteer and paid readers.  
I would think that the ideal math and science reader should be able to
understand how to do all the basic math and science symbols.
I have a math reader.  I have the book in Braille, but it is to clarify with
diagrams.  She's a freshman at my college also, and took the material I am
currently taking last semester, so it is nice and fresh in her mind.  (As I
mentioned awhile back in one of my other emails to you, my Disability
Services chooses readers by departments, although I fully understand that
yours are not
willing.)
I think the 2 best options are:
1.  Department of Rehab: How flexible are they? Ideally they should be able
to pay for you to have a human reader if your DSS are unwilling.
2.  Find your own reader via church, putting up posters, or maybe even
emailing your Dean? They might be able to connect you with some people.
Explain that you're looking for someone with basic math and science
abilities.  Then I sofest interviewing them.  
Since you already tried to take that course this semester, you may already
have some worksheets available.  Then you could ask them questions like,
"What does this say?" Or "Can you read this?"
So I think your ideal reader should:
1.  Understand basic math and science skills (if they understand advanced,
even better) 2.  Be willing to work with you and take your commands such as
"slower" and "faster"
3.  Not have too heavy an accent.
Hope this helps,
Vejas

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Subject: [nabs-l] More Questions Regarding Qualified Readers

Hello All,

Please forgive the multiple posts.  However, after sending my previous
email, I was wondering if there might be any kind of standers or guidelines
for reading materials for math or science classes.  If there are any
credible sources for standards or guidelines for reading materials for math
or science classes, perhaps this might help me establish a good definition
of a qualified reader for my math classes.

I understand some of you may believe that Braille is the only way to go in
terms of being able to access materials for math classes.  However, as I
have already indicated, I do not know Braille well enough to use for my math
classes.  And as someone who grew up sighted, most of the time it is just
easier for someone to read me a simple graphic or chart than it is for me to
figure out how to read this information in Braille.

The types of graphics and charts that were included in the math class that I
tried to take this semester included such things as number lines and a chart
that was like an excel spreadsheet listing names of cities down one Colum
and temperatures going down another Colum.  I am not quite sure what might
be included in the other math classes that I need to take to meet the
university math requirement for the university I would like to be able to
transfer to after completing my associates degree.

I am not looking to complete advance math classes here.  I am simply trying
to take what is required to meet the transfer requirements.  However, I am
not quite sure how to go about fulfilling my math requirement when the
disabilities office at the community college that I attend does not appear
to work with me so I can gain equal access to the course required for my
math classes.

I do not know how else to gain access to the course materials required for
my math classes, and so far the college does not agree with me on what
constitutes as a qualified reader.  So again, any assistance anyone could
provide in helping me find a credible source for a good clear definition of
qualified reader would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth
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