[NABS-L] come on someone

Mon May 27 16:48:41 UTC 2019

Hi Bryant,
I completely understand how this can be frustrating. In my experience with bookshare books, graphics are a hit or miss. Sometimes, it will be clearly stated that the image has been omitted, and others, there is a figure number but no image description. Rarely have I ever seen an image fully described. However, as stated previously, many books use images as supplements for the text, so you can usually do without them.
In this particular case, I wanted to mention that in my CS class, I used a python primer called
The Coder’s Apprentice, by Peter Spronk.
It is a fully accessible PDF that can be downloaded for free from the website, and, while it has many figures, the author does an excellent job describing the procedures in plain text, so I did not find that I really needed the images. Additionally, all of the code is written out in a very easy-to-read format that should not give a screen reader any trouble. I used jaws and NVDA to access this book, and I did not have problems with either.
Hope that helps!
Best,

Mausam Mehta
University of Virginia class of 2022
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> On May 27, 2019, at 12:29 PM, Emily Schlenker via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks. This is interesting, because I never thought about what kind of images would be in this type of book. Where I go to school, they produce my books and images on campus. You say that the student in question no longer receives services from their university, so I’m wondering if there are any volunteer organizations that produce images instead of just braille text.
> 
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>> On May 27, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Bryan Schulz via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Introducing python by bill lubanovic 2015
>> Bryan
>> 
>> 
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>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] come on someone
>> 
>> Hi. May I ask what book this is?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 26, 2019, at 9:40 PM, Steve Jacobson via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Brian,
>>> 
>>> This is not an uncommon problem, but I'm not saying it is right.  One
>> reason I didn't respond is that it would be useful to have a better
>> understanding of the situation and the subject matter.  Certainly raising
>> this issue with BookShare again as well as with the original publisher
>> providing the EPUB file is a good idea for the long term, but that won't
>> help right now.
>>> 
>>> If this particular book is required for a course, one would assume that
>> the course is part of a program of some sort, and seeing what kind of
>> resources are available there would certainly be one way to proceed.  If
>> this course is part of a Vocational Rehabilitation plan, there might be
>> funding to hire someone to read, except in this case they would not be
>> reading but rather assisting with the elements of the book that are not
>> accessible.  There are a couple of ways one could approach that even if not
>> ideal.
>>> 
>>> If this specific book is not required, looking for another book covering
>> the same subject that is more accessible would be worth investigating.  Make
>> sure to check to see if it might be available from RFBD which might have
>> described some of the inaccessible elements if they have produced this book.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes inaccessible pictures and figures are not all essential.  It is
>> possible that the job of dealing with this can be reduced by concentrating
>> on those elements that seem to be particularly important.  It is surprising
>> sometimes how much of a picture is reinforced by the text.  Again, not
>> knowing the subject matter puts me and anybody else at a disadvantage.  A
>> text on programming where none of the examples are accessible would be a
>> different matter as might be the case with other STEM subjects.  There are
>> probably no magic answers, though.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> Subject: [NABS-L] come on someone
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I got zero response a few days ago!
>>> 
>>> Some student has to have a suggestion of how to get the text from 
>>> bookshare epub audio books when all the audio says is image or in 
>>> example 1.4 and no, the dss office won't help when you are no longer a
>> student.
>>> 
>>> Bryan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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