[NABS-L] come on someone

Mon May 27 17:22:26 UTC 2019

Hi,

It seems the book is possible to be read.
The flaw was listening to it on a stream and not thinking to open the epub on my computer.
The code in the examples can be read after opening the epub on a computer.
Bryan

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Emily,

I have not looked at this book so am just speculating, but it has often been the case in programming books where program examples are inserted as screen shots and are therefore images rather than text.  Typically, OCR, if it can be done, has trouble with programming examples because the character strings are less predictable than is the case in literary texts, and OCR errors are also more critical where one wrong character can make a program not work.  If this is the case with this book, the inaccessible elements would be very essential.  If programming examples are accessible and the images contain the occasional flowchart, then I would guess the images not being accessible would not make the book useless.  Brian may have more information on this, though.  However, if this specific book is not a requirement, there are likely other Python resources available that might work better.  .

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Thanks. This is interesting, because I never thought about what kind of images would be in this type of book. Where I go to school, they produce my books and images on campus. You say that the student in question no longer receives services from their university, so I’m wondering if there are any volunteer organizations that produce images instead of just braille text.

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> On May 27, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Bryan Schulz via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Introducing python by bill lubanovic 2015 Bryan
> 
> 
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> Hi. May I ask what book this is?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 26, 2019, at 9:40 PM, Steve Jacobson via NABS-L 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Brian,
>> 
>> This is not an uncommon problem, but I'm not saying it is right.  One
> reason I didn't respond is that it would be useful to have a better 
> understanding of the situation and the subject matter.  Certainly 
> raising this issue with BookShare again as well as with the original 
> publisher providing the EPUB file is a good idea for the long term, 
> but that won't help right now.
>> 
>> If this particular book is required for a course, one would assume 
>> that
> the course is part of a program of some sort, and seeing what kind of 
> resources are available there would certainly be one way to proceed.  
> If this course is part of a Vocational Rehabilitation plan, there 
> might be funding to hire someone to read, except in this case they 
> would not be reading but rather assisting with the elements of the 
> book that are not accessible.  There are a couple of ways one could 
> approach that even if not ideal.
>> 
>> If this specific book is not required, looking for another book 
>> covering
> the same subject that is more accessible would be worth investigating.  
> Make sure to check to see if it might be available from RFBD which 
> might have described some of the inaccessible elements if they have produced this book.
>> 
>> Sometimes inaccessible pictures and figures are not all essential.  
>> It is
> possible that the job of dealing with this can be reduced by 
> concentrating on those elements that seem to be particularly 
> important.  It is surprising sometimes how much of a picture is 
> reinforced by the text.  Again, not knowing the subject matter puts me 
> and anybody else at a disadvantage.  A text on programming where none 
> of the examples are accessible would be a different matter as might be 
> the case with other STEM subjects.  There are probably no magic answers, though.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Steve Jacobson
>> 
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>> Subject: [NABS-L] come on someone
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I got zero response a few days ago!
>> 
>> Some student has to have a suggestion of how to get the text from 
>> bookshare epub audio books when all the audio says is image or in 
>> example 1.4 and no, the dss office won't help when you are no longer 
>> a
> student.
>> 
>> Bryan
>> 
>> 
>> 
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