[NABS-L] board position 4
MariaLu Monteiro-Oliveira
maria.lu.monteiro.oliveira at gmail.com
Sat Jul 18 23:23:03 UTC 2020
No disrespect intended, my fellow students, however, if we the membership were dissatisfied with Kathryn’s decision, as our gracious president said, we should have voiced this dissatisfaction at the business meeting. If we had any questions/concerns about the constitution or any of this, the business meeting would’ve been the time and place to talk about that. It’s not fair to blame our president, who has only been understanding and patient, for making a decision nobody opposed when she asked us if we opposed it. We aren’t disputing whether it was or was not a good decision, just the fact that the time to have argued against it would’ve been then. Is it not unfair to suddenly demand we go against what we ourselves agreed to? Please forgive any offense I may have caused.
“Do not be overcome with hate, but overcome hate with love.” -St Maximos
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> On Jul 18, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Nico Petrillo via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> It seems I am wrong. My mistake, believing that the constitution that is public to all was the one we operated off of. If the constitution is not public and its most current state how can you expect Voters To be properly informed of the rules and regulations of the organization. It strikes me that in the situation Kathryns decision is final duping members into voting for some thing without proper information in my opinion is deplorable.both as a member and as a concerned party I hope that this updated constitution will be Publicized in the future, so that students aren’t taken advantage of because of their ignorance.
>
> Humbly,
> Nick Petrillo
> He/him/his
> Virginia Association of Blind Students| President
> 703-346-9981
>
>
>
>> On Jul 18, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Kathryn Webster, National Student President <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Nick and all,
>>
>> I appreciate the open dialogue on this issue. I do, however, think that the back-and-forth is not helpful, and instead harmful to our members. I say this because our membership voted on Wednesday night in support of the decision made to allow me, as the current president at that moment, to appoint the final seat. Full disclosure, there was not any opposition to this decision at all. If there was, I promise it would have been addressed. Nothing was rushed and nothing was pushed under the rug. The motion to close discussion and proceed as I outlined was moved, seconded, and voted on by our membership prior to adjournment.
>>
>> Nick - The link you posted to our national student division constitution is out of date as we voted in 2017 to allow for officers to be elected on the even year and board members to be elected during the odd years. This is not reflected on the online version, though is reflected below. There have been technical difficulties with our web site for quite some time as the late Rachel Olivero was a big asset to our national student division site, so bear with us as we merge into the updated NFB server and site in the coming months. To that end, you will find the most updated constitution below, the one voted on during our 2017 annual business meeting. This has different information around when leaders are elected. The board begins collectively once all positions are made final. This is interpretation, so I will choose not to argue with those who disagree. I also offered the idea around the final appointment and this was moved by all present and choosing to vote.
>>
>> I do want to note that the Constitution will not have a line item that reads that the president can do a specific action. Our organization instead puts a tremendous amount of trust in our presidents across the board. That means, executive decisions are made often in order to move our organization forward. We are living in unprecedented times right now. Six months ago, no one could have imagined voting virtually for NABS. Generally speaking, voting for NABS brings about a ton of emotions and perspectives in and of itself. Again, our membership voted on the decision that I would make the final appointment. There was not any disagreement during our annual regular business meeting. I appreciate the ideas for holding special meetings or opening a Google form. I also appreciate the thoughts that are shared around how you are feeling with the decision that was made. Since our members voted on said decision and since we are now nearing the end of our convention, this is how we plan to proceed for the benefit of the National Association of Blind Students.
>>
>> It is unfortunate that not all decisions can be favored by all, though I really did think this one was until concerns were surfaced yesterday and today.
>>
>> Please find our Constitution below:
>> ARTICLE I. NAME
>> The name of this organization is the National Association of Blind Students.
>> ARTICLE II. PURPOSE
>> The purpose of the National Association of Blind Students is to function as a mechanism through which blind students and interested sighted persons can come together in local, state and national meetings to plan and carry out our programs to improve educational and equality of life for the blind; to provide a means of collective action for blind students; to promote the educational, vocational, economic, cultural, and social advancement of the blind; to strengthen and enhance educational programs for the blind; to take such other action as will improve the overall condition and standard of living of the blind; and to participate as an integral part of the National Federation of the Blind in its various activities.
>> Article III. Membership
>> Section 1. -- Members
>> At least a majority of the active members of this organization must be blind. Any student, or anyone interested in the pursuit of studies may become an active member of this association, provided that such person meets the eligibility requirements for membership in the National Federation of the Blind.
>> Section 2. -- expulsion
>> Any person who has been expelled by the National Federation of the Blind shall automatically cease to be a member of this Association. Any member of this organization may be expelled for misconduct, or for activity unbecoming to a member of this organization by a two-thirds vote of the active members present and voting at a regular or special meeting of this association, or by a two-thirds vote of the board of directors of this organization subject to ratification by the general membership.
>> Section 3. -- reinstatement of membership
>> A person may be reinstated to membership in this organization by a two-thirds vote of the active members present and voting at a regular or special meeting of this Association, or by a two-thirds vote of its board of directors, provided that such person meets the eligibility requirements for membership or for reinstatement to membership in the National Federation of the Blind.
>> ARTICLE IV. Officers and Their Duties
>> There shall be elected at the annual meeting of this organization: in each even numbered year, a President, a First Vice President, a Second Vice President, a Treasurer, and a Secretary, and in each odd numbered year four (4) board members, designated as Board Member one, board member two, Board Member three, and board member four. The terms of these officers and board members shall begin at the close of the meeting at which they are elected and qualified. The President and Vice Presidents of this organization must be blind. Officers and board members shall be elected by a majority vote of the members of this Association present and voting. All officers and board members must be in school for one year following their election. There shall be no proxy votes.
>>
>> If no nominee receives a majority vote on the first ballot, the name of the person receiving the fewest votes shall be dropped from the list of nominees and a second ballot shall be taken. This procedure shall continue until one of the nominees receives a majority vote. These officers and board members constitute the board of directors for this Association. The officers and board members are authorized to conduct such business as is necessary for the normal operation of this Association between the annual regular meetings of the Association. The duties of each officer and board member shall be those ordinarily associated with the office.
>> ARTICLE V. Meetings.
>> This Association will meet twice a year in conjunction with the annual convention of the National Federation of the Blind and the Washington Seminar of the National Federation of the Blind. � Special meetings may be called by the President of the Association, or by most of the board of directors to transact business or otherwise to further the purposes of this Association.
>> ARTICLE VI. Committees
>> The President may appoint such committees as they or the members of the Association deem necessary.
>> ARTICLE VII. Dues
>> The dues of this Association shall be $5.00 per year payable in advance.
>> ARTICLE VIII. Disbursement of Funds
>> The funds of this organization shall be deposited in a bank to be selected by the Treasurer with the approval of the President. All financial obligations of this organization shall be discharged by check issued on order of the President and signed by the Treasurer or the President.
>> ARTICLE IX. Affiliation
>> The National Association of Blind Students is a division of the National Federation of the Blind. The Association shall furnish to the President of the National Federation of the Blind, a copy of this constitution and any amendments that may be adopted in the future, and the names and addresses of the members and elected officers. This organization will comply with the provisions of the constitution of the National Federation of the Blind. In the event of the reorganization of this Association, the assets of this organization belong to the reorganized Association, and the former Association shall dissolve and cease to exist.
>> ARTICLE X. Dissolution
>> In the event of dissolution of this Association, or for whatever reason it ceases to be a division of the National Federation of the Blind, its assets shall be distributed to the National Federation of the Blind to be held in trust for a reorganized division of the National Federation of the Blind.
>>
>> If no division is organized for a one-year period from the date this Association ceases to be a division of the National Federation of the Blind, the assets become the property of the National Federation of the Blind.
>> ARTICLE XI. Amendments
>> This constitution may be amended at any regular meeting of the Association by an affirmative vote of two-thirds of the active members present and voting, provided the amendment has been submitted to the President in writing, at least one day in advance of the regular meeting.
>>
>> Love,
>> Kathryn Webster
>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Nico Petrillo <mrnicopetrillo at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 6:36 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Nabs.president at gmail.com; Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] board position 4
>>
>> As a state student division president I also agree having state student division presidents vote is not the way to go. Imposing a deadline like this is creating the issues at hand. Simply call a special meeting to vote on board member for when it is convenient to the new board. I want to reiterate I’m not questioning anyone’s ethics or intentions just that we abide by our constitution. Below is the link to the constitution that is public on a Our student division website.
>>
>> http://nabslink.org/about/constitution
>>
>> Nick Petrillo
>> He/him/his
>> Virginia Association of Blind Students| President
>> 703-346-9981
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Justin Young via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Thank you Kathryn for your detailed response outlining the rationale
>> behind the decisions made for the annual NABS business meeting & our
>> elections. I support the decision made and the reasons presented.
>>
>> I have heard a few times now the idea of having Student Division State
>> Presidents as delegates, but until there is a students division in all
>> 52 affiliates, this would never be a fair method or respectful to all
>> NABS members because their voices might be lost using that kind of
>> system.
>>
>> Thanks & I look forward to hearing the result of the Outgoing/Incoming
>> Board & Nominating committee for which student will fill this vacancy.
>>
>> Justin Young
>> President, New York Association of Blind Students
>>
>> On 7/18/20, Kathryn Webster, National Student President via NABS-L
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> First and foremost, thank you so much for surfacing your concerns on a
>> public platform. I applaud you for exercising your voice in this format. I
>> want to clearly explain voting protocol so there is full transparency. I
>> also want to highlight that these concerns should have been brought up on
>> Wednesday night, as we felt comfortable and confident in the decision made
>> upon adjournment. If that was not the case, I wish we could have openly
>> talked about it regardless of the time. I hope you understand that I am a
>> fair leader, one in which values each of your ideas, contributions, and
>> opinions. To that end, I only want full transparency, fairness, and honesty.
>> I do not say this to be defensive, I only mention it because I tried to make
>> it as clear as possible that I am open to alternative ideas, not only the
>> executive decision I made. The entire board would have stayed on Zoom ready
>> to go name by name down our registration list if that is the direction that
>> made the most sense. As I'm sure you can imagine, this is a tough situation
>> to be in, given the circumstances.
>>
>> Each year, we initially rely on voice vote to conduct elections. This
>> proceeds to a standing vote if the voice vote does not suffice in making a
>> clear decision. Any member elected must receive a majority vote of the
>> active members present and voting. If there are more than two members
>> seeking a given position, then we proceed in the following way. We would
>> take a voice vote, dropping the candidate who received the least amount of
>> votes. We would then conduct another voice vote, dropping the individual who
>> received the least amount of votes that time around. This continues until
>> there are two candidates remaining. Again, a majority of votes must be
>> received in order to be fairly and constitutionally elected.
>>
>> This year is different due to the virtual environment. A Google form would
>> have to be distributed at least four times to the hundreds of members to
>> ensure it is done fairly. On the other hand, the final seat is a 1-year
>> position this time around, as it was vacated by a board member who was
>> elected to an officer position. To be completely honest, as president, I
>> could have appointed all three vacated board positions from a constitutional
>> perspective. I did not feel comfortable doing that as the voice of the
>> membership is critical in our movement.
>>
>> While we all have extremely passionate emotions around what completes a
>> great NABS Board, I promise that my heart is in the right place in making
>> this decision. Diversity matters. Experience matters. Balance matters. I am
>> working with the outgoing and incoming NABS Board to make the wisest and
>> most appropriate decision for the future of NABS. I also am working with our
>> trusted Nominating Committee to be intentional, aware, and proactive. This
>> means, everyone's opinion matters. However, this also means that a
>> discussion on the NABS list or on Facebook does not compare, even slightly,
>> to allowing for an open forum during our annual business meeting. Leaning on
>> student state delegates who were present excludes all states that were not
>> on at 11:30pm. Not to mention not all states have delegates to represent
>> you. Taking a vote via Google form is not logistically feasible given the
>> protocol that is needed to follow voting procedures. As president, I have
>> the right to proceed in this way, as long as I am being ethical and
>> intentional. All members who ran for Board Member 3 or Board Member 4 are
>> prioritized for consideration, without a doubt.
>>
>> I am saddened that members are not feeling that I am proceeding as you would
>> prefer. I also hope that you can trust that my opinion is not the only one
>> that is being taken into account. As we are seeing at General Session right
>> now, sometimes the virtual space forces us to make decisions that were not
>> initially planned. Our NABS board put in a ton of thought and intention as
>> we discussed the mitigation strategies for elections this year. Not to
>> mention, many divisions opted to not hold elections this year; and instead
>> continue with the current board until next year. We did not agree with that
>> approach, and thus problem solved ways to be most fair.
>>
>> I appreciate you reading and truly hope that you feel empowered to call me
>> to discuss if you continue to have concerns. I value you; I appreciate you;
>> and, at the end of the day, we need you.
>>
>> Love,
>> Kathryn Webster
>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>> 203-273-8463
>> Nabs.president at gmail.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NABS-L <nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Victor Marques via
>> NABS-L
>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 5:16 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Victor Marques <therealvictormarques at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] board position 4
>>
>> I too was dissatisfied with the choice to simply appoint board member 4.
>> Those who expressed an interest at the meeting, and the individual who was
>> not successful for board position 3, should be put into a 5 way Google Form
>> vote. It would be easy to cross-reference membership and tally votes. Should
>> the be a tie for positions 1 and 2, that could be decided by a second vote.
>> That’s the democratic way I would have handled this, Google Forms is
>> perfectly capable as a tool to manage this election.
>>
>> I’m glad I am not the only one who felt this way. I felt this was pushed
>> through without voting on the rules of engagement or without adequate
>> discussion.
>>
>> Victor Marques
>> NABS Member
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Keri Svendsen via NABS-L <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think this is reasonable.
>>
>> On 7/18/2020 4:40 PM, Zachary GriegoDreicer via NABS-L wrote:
>> Hello, I hope everyone is enjoying convention. I've had a number of
>> people talking on facebook and to me directly that we don't approve of
>> the handling of the voting of board position 4. There has been
>> significant discussion of this topic and I think that the discussion
>> should be opened to all NABS members. I think it only fair that everyone
>> who ran for other board positions, and were not elected, should be
>> allowed to run again for said position. Further, any dues paying member
>> should be able to vote for the student they believe the best to serve in
>> this role. I propose that a second google form be created for this
>> purpose. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the general convention would
>> run perhaps by raising hands in zoom or something similar to fill all
>> positions....I think we will find out soon enough if my thought process
>> is correct. Thus, in fairness to all involved, I would like to suggest
>> that position 4 be elected by google forms or other fair form of voting.
>> I would love everyone's input. Thanks all for your consideration.
>>
>> Sent from my BrailleNote touch
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